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Freebase benzos?

promicarus

promicarus

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I was wondering if anyone had any experience with freebasing benzos--xanax specifically. Obviously, the buffer/filler has to be removed, crushed soaked in alcohol, alcohol siphoned off containing the benzo, and left to dry to get the product. But has anyone tried to base it? Just curious. I never have, and am toying with the idea. 10 years ago I wouldn't have bothered asking, but then I barely survived the last ten years, so I'm a little less gung-ho balls out at this point. Any feedback would be appreciated.
 
All benzodiazepines already exist in freebase form. do you see a HCl or anything like that on your bottles of alprazolam, clonazepam, lorazepam, diazepam, tempazepam, flureazepam, flunitrazepam?? no. because they ARE the freebase form. but that doesn't mean that theres any benefit to smoking benzodiazepines, this subject has been covered so many times you should use the search engine. Only Midazolam in the USA to my knowledge is formulated in a HCl salt which is responsible for it's water solubility and 1st line of treatment for adjuctns during anesthesia or or surgeries, dentist work that requires it and an opiod, it's not comm only rx'd in america outside of hospital setting but I have seen it get prescribed in a 118mL or so bottle for severe unrelenting insomnia
 
Why, most of them would be destroyed if they got too hot, the likelyhood of ending up with binders/fillers on final product is high, and I mean shit, the oral BA is good, why fix it if its not broken
 
promicarus said:
I was wondering if anyone had any experience with freebasing benzos--xanax specifically. Obviously, the buffer/filler has to be removed, crushed soaked in alcohol, alcohol siphoned off containing the benzo, and left to dry to get the product. But has anyone tried to base it? Just curious. I never have, and am toying with the idea. 10 years ago I wouldn't have bothered asking, but then I barely survived the last ten years, so I'm a little less gung-ho balls out at this point. Any feedback would be appreciated.
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gung ho balls out? go hit tha pookie than LOL
 
tricomb said:
All benzodiazepines already exist in freebase form. do you see a HCl or anything like that on your bottles of alprazolam, clonazepam, lorazepam, diazepam, tempazepam, flureazepam, flunitrazepam?? no. because they ARE the freebase form. but that doesn't mean that theres any benefit to smoking benzodiazepines, this subject has been covered so many times you should use the search engine. Only Midazolam in the USA to my knowledge is formulated in a HCl salt which is responsible for it's water solubility and 1st line of treatment for adjuctns during anesthesia or or surgeries, dentist work that requires it and an opiod, it's not comm only rx'd in america outside of hospital setting but I have seen it get prescribed in a 118mL or so bottle for severe unrelenting insomnia
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*OPINION; NOT FACT*
Man, that's bullshit. They don't even list half the "active ingredients" as the actual thing. "mefamfetemin"? I'm not looking up actual examples, but ALL DRUG NAMES are contractions. EG: Amphetamine (USAN or amfetamine (INN) contracted from alphamethyl-phenethylamine or α-methylphenethylamine.

Furthermore; my duromine (phentermine) doesn't specify if it's a salt or a freebase. There's no sulfate, no HCL, it just says "30mg phentermine as an ion exchange resin (which is polyetheline basically, in the presence of stomach acid it allows cation movement, and the attachment of the final ion is what converts it to phentermine. HOWEVER; the point I'm getting to; is dry powder and plastic pellets is NOT how freebase members of the phenethylamine family exist. Freebase = oil; oil =/= powder. Ergo; the phentermine MUST be a salt (plus it's watersoluble). Yet it doesn't specify it's a salt on the pack.
And it is by that logic I debunk your post.
 
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Minion said:
*OPINION; NOT FACT*
Man, that's bullshit. They don't even list half the "active ingredients" as the actual thing. "mefamfetemin"? I'm not looking up actual examples, but ALL DRUG NAMES are contractions. EG: Amphetamine (USAN or amfetamine (INN) contracted from alphamethyl-phenethylamine or α-methylphenethylamine.

Furthermore; my duromine (phentermine) doesn't specify if it's a salt or a freebase. There's no sulfate, no HCL, it just says "30mg phentermine as an ion exchange resin (which is polyetheline basically, in the presence of stomach acid it allows cation movement, and the attachment of the final ion is what converts it to phentermine. HOWEVER; the point I'm getting to; is dry powder and plastic pellets is NOT how freebase members of the phenethylamine family exist. Freebase = oil; oil =/= powder. Ergo; the phentermine MUST be a salt (plus it's watersoluble). Yet it doesn't specify it's a salt on the pack.
And it is by that logic I debunk your post.
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Wow, rude!

You said that phenethylamines are oils as free bases and solids as salts. While this is correct the same does not necessarily hold true for other classes of drugs. Benzos are different from phenethylamines.

It it is not true that pharm companies need to list the form of the active ingredient. However dalmane the only water soluble benzo I know of lists the active as flurazepam monohydrochloride.
Midazolam AFAIK is a base. It is only water soluble at ph levels less than 5. In fact I think most benzos are actually in their freebase form. I think the reason for water solubility increase as the ph is lowered is due to more and more of the compound changing to salt form.

This does not mean however that all bases are insoluble in water and all salts are soluble.

The notion of "insolubility" is flawed anyway because all compounds are soluble in all solvent to greater or neglible degrees.
 
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Tryptamite said:
Wow, rude!

You said that phenethylamines are oils as free bases and solids as salts. While this is correct the same does not necessarily hold true for other classes of drugs. Benzos are different from phenethylamines.

It it is not true that pharm companies need to list the form of the active ingredient. However dalmane the only water soluble benzo I know of lists the active as flurazepam monohydrochloride.
Midazolam AFAIK is a base. It is only water soluble at ph levels less than 5. In fact I think most benzos are actually in their freebase form. I think the reason for water solubility increase as the ph is lowered is due to more and more of the compound changing to salt form.

This does not mean however that all bases are insoluble in water and all salts are soluble.

The notion of "insolubility" is flawed anyway because all compounds are soluble in all solvent to greater or neglible degrees.
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I wasn't saying it applied to benzos. I was pointing out my meds dont have the state listed, why would any others?

also, temazepam is water soluble.

I never said all bases behave one way. but uh; all salts ARE inherently soluble. that's why they're salts. idiot.
 
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Temazepam is water soluble? Source?

People lost limps banging temazepam jellies. Why wouldn't they just dissolve the capsules?

P.s. you're dunk. Go home.
 
Wikipedia is not always correct. What does "very slightly soluble" mean? I suggest you check your facts. Temazepam is barely soluble in water.
 
Very slightly soluble - From 1000 to 10,000 parts solvent needed to dissolve 1 part solute (0.1 - 1 mg/ml)

Not very soluble, to me !

I wasn't saying it applied to benzos. I was pointing out my meds dont have the state listed, why would any others?
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because yours is a free base bound to an ion exchange resin? Look it up, it's a thing. A polymeric acid to bind onto amines like phentermine. See also, Delsym, a similar deal with DXM. In the stomach, hydrochloric acid will liberate the drug molecules from the ion exchange resin.

If it doesn't specify the salt form, it's a freebase. Most prescription medication will indicate the salt form because various salts contain various proportion of freebase drug (i.e. 1 mg of a napsylate salt won't be the same as 1mg of a hydrochloride).



Please refrain from name-calling, by the way.
 
listen guys. benzos HAVE AN INCREDIBLY HIGH BIOAVAILABILITY WHEN TAKEN ORALLY, ANY OTHER METHOD IS A WASTE, FREEBASING WILL JUST waste product, and do the same as oral, plus there really is no rush AT AL with benzos, I was GIVEN VERSED IV, and the dentist didn't know I was benzo tolerant so I didn't black out for it, and I didn't experience any rush, It felt like I tookt it orally excepy I felt it quicker, no rush...I had VALIUM IVed in the hospital, no RUSH, felt like I took it orally..... don't waste ur time. Bezos are ORAL DRUG PERIOD. any other method is A complete waste. the ONLY REASON AT ALL why people SNORT, INJECT,SMOKE, or PLUG DRUGS is because they have a very very POOR BA when taken orally, so they are left with no choice to use drugs with those methods to get a higher BA, heroin for example, orally its ridiculously LOW, snorting is high, same with smoking and injecting, that's why people do it that way. same with cocaine.
 
Ive vaped etizolam before, I threw like 5mg of pg solution on foil and vaped it. it worked but there was no rush or anything. stick to oral dosing.
 
You are destroying it with heat.

All benzos are in frebase form unless stated otherwise.

Most salted benzos are very unstable. Quite the opposite from most drugs... This is why you see no hcl forms of most of them
 
I don't recommend this but at one point when I was chasing 1g/10 packets (1000mg) a day of 'war on terror' dope that 'massively distructs ur ass', some strong dope (a half point smoked or 35mg-45mg IV to get proper fucked, someone that got busted with it had it tested by the police and it showed up at 47% or 48% pure).

I digress at that point chasing on foil felt perfectly normal and I decided along with a buddy to see what else we could chase.

My friend and I had pure diazepam hcl and smoked via chasing it on tin foil like with H however neither me nor my buddy (who had minimal to no benzo tolerence) felt nothing.

Also phenazepam hcl done one tin foil like with H is amazingly strong and also even more amazingly so carcinogenic (you can look it up as it produces a toxic reaction to light/heat)- peaking in 10 min and lasting way shorted, while fucked it feels different as in stronger and a bit like something else. Smoking this is not only pointless (even if you want it to hit you instantly it is very dirty I suggest that you either take it orally or IV), smoking causes your lungs to feel so bad that this is the focus for a good part and then u pass out, not good by any means....TRUST ME i wouldn't do it again if you paid me!

Oral is the way to go!
 
How about the tiny .5 lorazepam? These look perfect to freebase. Don't wanna waste it with the heat though.
 
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