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Crackdown on marijuana increases rates of cannabis psychosis

Fucking excellent hypothesis.

Good spot ponti, it is isn't it? Seems pretty water tight to me.

I would urge anyone who wants to smoke but feels they can't, or anyone who grows for percy to have a read of the link I posted. I feel it's really important so heres a chunk to encourage those that wouldn't normally be bothered to click on a link.

Raw, un-oxidised THC, acts on the brain receptors, in a similar way to amphetamines and prolonged use of amphetamines does trigger psychosis, especially in conjunction with long periods of sleep deprivation. An effect of raw THC is it will deprive people of proper sleep because it over rev’s the brain and chemicals usually produced by the brain during sleep periods which induce dream state are not produced properly and this leads to the detrimental effects as the cumulative consequences of over stimulating neurochemicals takes hold and the brain essentially snaps and misfires more and more, so a psychotic episode, even if they do get their heads down for a few hours through fatigue, if they use a lot of unripe cannabis with raw THC, they will be unlikely to achieve REM states, and that in regards to potential psychosis, is what matters, waking up again after a brief sleep period without REM may restore some physical energy, but then frequent users of unripe cannabis will drink that coffee etc, have another wake and bake spliff etc, and so the REM deprived person goes on and on day after day until that snap occurs, that, is what can seriously cause a psychotic episode especially when stress factors like troubled relationships, or familial difficulties, money worries, employemnt difficulties, prolonged personality clash dynamics etc and for example, are present and serve as triggers.

And drug induced sleep deprivation psychoses are what mental health agencies have been dealing with or mental conditions very similar to that, with many of those it does also go into other substances they are using but raw THC itself can do it alone, the compounded and detrimental effects when mixing other drugs with cannabis is another issue which I will articulate at a later stage.

http://www.clear-uk.org/the-importance-of-matured-cannabis/?age-verified=3033abd247

Commercial growers or the unaware aren't gonna wait an extra 2-3 weeks for proper maturity but this will make all the difference.
 
Good spot ponti, it is isn't it? Seems pretty water tight to me.

I would urge anyone who wants to smoke but feels they can't, or anyone who grows for percy to have a read of the link I posted. I feel it's really important so heres a chunk to encourage those that wouldn't normally be bothered to click on a link.



http://www.clear-uk.org/the-importance-of-matured-cannabis/?age-verified=3033abd247

Commercial growers or the unaware aren't gonna wait an extra 2-3 weeks for proper maturity but this will make all the difference.

Raw, un-oxidised THC, acts on the brain receptors, in a similar way to amphetamines and prolonged use of amphetamines does trigger psychosis

utter drivel, sorry. Different receptors, different mechanisms of action, different mechanism of psychosis. Yes sleep deprivation is an element in psychosis in conjuction with many drugs of abuse - however comparing amphetamines to THC in this way is complete nonsense and has no scientific basis whatsoever.

This is the kind of shit which I hate about cannabis advocates, the lengths they will go to in order to justify their own consumption of weed and the way it is utterly drenched in pseudoscientific folk tale claptrap.

opiaterock said:
- I know this might be controversial to some but it really galls me that Cannabis is so often portrayed as a 'harmless' drug in the media which is dangerous as it has the potential to make young people think that they can smoke quarters of weed every other day and they will be fine..Cannabis is really a lot more dangerous to mental health than the average person would think. I'm all for decriminlisation of Cannabis but only if all other drugs are decriminlised for personal consumption and people are fully educated about the dangers of all drugs including cannabis. Why does Cannabis get a fast track when is has the ability to be one of the more dangerous drugs

absolutely agree, this irks me a lot especially when this pro-cannabis line almost universally comes from cannabis smokers themselves who have a vested interest in pushing for it's legalisation and portraying it as harmless at the expense of other people who might end up having serious problems as a result of that misconception.
 
That was just an excerpt ceres, maybe I picked the wrong paragraph to quote out of context. The amphetamines and REM references are red herrings to the actual point. Did you read the whole thing?

I really don't have time for this sort of literature, pot heads can be as bad as MDPV addicts for coming up with weird baseless or random 'theories' about their favourite drug.

nothing personal.
 
How very closed minded of you. I respect your stand point, but if you can't even be bothered to read it don't dismiss it or shout it down.

Skimmed it, it's totally unreferenced, rambling and what I expected. If the author feels it's ok to make a statement like 'Raw, un-oxidised THC, acts on the brain receptors, in a similar way to amphetamines' then he clearly is in no position to be making statements like the rest of the stuff in that article with any authority.

There is plenty of hard science around regarding cannabinoid receptors and drugs which act on them, example, and here, and cannabis campaigners would have a lot more credibility if they actually used this well understood and evidenced science to make this arguments, instead of just reeling off unreferenced claims, then perhaps they would get taken more seriously.
 
Referenced or not - you don't think there's anything in it, and I do. Each to their own. You do sound very biased by your own unfortunate experiences though, and maybe I am by my positive experiences. I think an open mind is one of the hardest but most important things to maintain, on any subject.
 
...But surely you must agree that Ceres has a point - an article, or opinion, backed by non-biased, peer-reviewed academic research stands on much stronger ground than an article such as the one you gave as an example...?
Nobody cut my throat, I haven't smoked weed in 6 years and I have no particular interest in the debate. When we're discussing the logic behind debating however my interest is piqued.

You can't dismiss a theory or proposal based on the lack of sophistication in how it's presented. Often the most rudimental and fundemental discoveries and proposals in science are formulated by those who may lack academia but have experience. They figure it out and then the scientists catch on later, particularly when it comes to things of a biological nature.
 
Well, there is about 10 000 years' worth of evidence that weed smoking isn't actually all that bad for you .....

I've smoked a spliff nearly every day for the best part of a quarter of a century. Probably helps that I am only one connection away from the old-skool stoner who grows most of what I smoke nowadays.
 
becomingjulie said:
Well, there is about 10 000 years' worth of evidence that weed smoking isn't actually all that bad for you .....

in that case there's a considerable body of evidence that drinking alcohol isn't actually all that bad for you, using that logic.

to me, that article that badandwicked linked, from the point of view of purely how it is written, sounds like the author was baked at the time due to the repetetive, scattered style and I had great difficulty working out what the guy was actually saying.
 
My drug is better than your drug? Fuck y'all really.

Ever heard of divide and rule?

Ceres we have 10000 years of hospital admissions, fights, murders, domestic violence, anything to do with violence etc that can be put down to alcohol.

Sorry, I haven't murdered anyone while stoned.






































Yet.
 
Plus it triggered my brother's second schizophrenic episode, which lasted a year and a half.

yeah I've seen two friends of mine have psychotic episodes triggered by weed, one turned out to be a proper schizophrenic, they both never really recovered and were in hospital for yonks.

Also what annoys me is the numerous amounts of people I've met who just sit around getting high all day laughing at bullshit like southpark or playing xbox. No ambition atall.
 
absolutely agree, this irks me a lot especially when this pro-cannabis line almost universally comes from cannabis smokers themselves who have a vested interest in pushing for it's legalisation and portraying it as harmless at the expense of other people who might end up having serious problems as a result of that misconception.

The majority of people who signed The Times advert in 1967, to this day the most iconic piece of pro cannabis literature, were not dope smokers. My father-in-law was one of those people. What vested interest?

yeah I've seen two friends of mine have psychotic episodes triggered by weed, one turned out to be a proper schizophrenic, they both never really recovered and were in hospital for yonks.

Also what annoys me is the numerous amounts of people I've met who just sit around getting high all day laughing at bullshit like southpark or playing xbox. No ambition atall.

Schizophrenia remains a catch-all term. What's a 'proper' schizophrenic? But that's an aside. As to the bit in bold, don't you think such people might have already had ambition knocked out of them by the inequalities of society? Don't you think other factors might have played a part in that? You may as well rile against the x-box. Or maybe against a lack of proper housing. Mass (remember that word?) unemployment. Etc.

I don't see anything wrong with having no ambition. It's why I particularly like Marmalade's profile page and how she describes herself. Ambition is nominally a selfish trait. And usually involves compromise. I don't see anything great about attacking people for having no ambition. And I don't see how you can single out cannabis in your blame game for this. I can show you people who have written and published substantial amounts who smoke dope.

PS I've never played an x-box in my life. True story.
 
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