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Bupe What can I expect jumping off Suboxone at 2mg

@Tommyboy that's a good question I am not 100% certain I thought everyone experienced discomfort in the stomache area when w/d?

Update... you are right on the money turns out I have gallstones in my Gallbladder and have to have it removed, al these years I thought w/d's were sooo much worse then they actually are because of this constant pain I have once I start w/d
 
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It may sound stupid but I scored me a 30mg OC, I was thinking of breaking it into 4 and maybe just taking the pieces every coulple days only in severe or when i feel I just can't take it anymore, I was hoping to get my hands on a suboxone so I could break it into 16 pieces and take them as needed but all I could find was the 30mg OC. I was curious what would be the best way to consume such small pieces, they will be tiny
 
@Tommyboy that's a good question I am not 100% certain I thought everyone experienced discomfort in the stomache area when w/d?

Update... you are right on the money turns out I have gallstones in my Gallbladder and have to have it removed, al these years I thought w/d's were sooo much worse then they actually are because of this constant pain I have once I start w/d

Wow, I'm glad you were properly diagnosed. Did you use me as a referral for your doctor? ;)

It may sound stupid but I scored me a 30mg OC, I was thinking of breaking it into 4 and maybe just taking the pieces every coulple days only in severe or when i feel I just can't take it anymore, I was hoping to get my hands on a suboxone so I could break it into 16 pieces and take them as needed but all I could find was the 30mg OC. I was curious what would be the best way to consume such small pieces, they will be tiny

If you are using it to keep the withdrawals away, then just eat them. The oral route will last the longest and allow you to go longer before withdrawals start again. Pill cutters come in handy when halving or quartering pills, so I would use that. They are pretty cheap and you can get them at any pharmacy if you don't already have one.
 
Definitely take them orally simply because they will last longer this way, just as Tommyboy has said. Just don't lose those tiny pill pieces, I imagine it would be rather easy.
 
@Tommyboy Actually I was in the hospital a few months back when I found out but nothing hurt at the time so they didn't do anything with it, now I can see that every time for the last 5 year when I start withdrawing, I have the worst pain right below the center of my rib-cage, it really suck and I always though it was part of the W/D, honestly if I can get rid of that pain I think Detoxing won't be nearly as bad as I thought it would because with this pain I describe when I have less Opiates is a constant, like non-stop 24-7 until I get some Opiates in me then it disappears instantly, even a small amount of Opiates makes it go away which is also why I thought it was from W/D's because generally they do nothing for other pain I have encountered due to my tolerance.

As for the Oxycodone it is to help keep w/d away but at the same time I am trying to detox, I guess I am hoping it may help a little bit by dragging it out just a tad longer and i'm sure the oxy will be out of me before all these Subs are. I know it doesn't sound smart to some people but mainly I have this damn pain which is bothering me more then any W/D I have seen so far. At this point I am completely broke, company I worked with shut there doors recently so in short I cannot buy anything really I just have to attempt to ride it out. If I went and had surgey, and then detoxed right when I got home for 2-4 weeks however long it's going to take, I was thinking with a big wound through my abs, itmight not be a good idea to be hot/cold sweats and all the icky stuff with that going on so I am hoping to get clean and then do it but at the same time I feel like the pain is making it too hard to get clean first, kinda stuck in a crap situation

Oddly enough I have had a few Gallbladder attacks (I just found out that term today) but anyways there have been a few occasions where I would get the worst pain ever for like up to 30 minutes straight and I kinda of thought it was a reaction to the suboxone because it was always after I took it but now I found out it was one of those attacks, amazing if you didn't make your comment I probably never would of put all the pieces together so thanks
 
So far im on day 8 and I don't feel anything hardly, I have had some minor symptoms so far, I can sleep, usually only about 4 hours but its enough compared to all the insomnia stories I have read, the restless legs, maybe 1-1 1/2 hours out of the day, pretty much when I first wake up is the worst but goes away after a little while, The first few days I was taking some Loperdime but I discontinued that or at least majorly cut back about 1mg when needed maybe every coulple days, hot/cold sweats happened 1 time, actually more like just sweats I woke up sweaty that 1 time and none sense that was a few days ago. I pretty much feel fine I know it is probably too soon to know but it seems kind of strange that I haven't experienced more hell, or at least yet. Forgot I took 30mg oxycodone 3 days ago with a half life 3–4.5 hr it should be gone or pretty much gone, I should be feeling something I would imagine. The only thing that might possibly be holding me back is the loperdime, I am not sure how long it really stays in you or how potent, I would think taking 1 pill would be gone after a few days
 
Mostly, headaches, insomnia and restlessness. If you've ever experienced cold turkey withdrawal from opiates without aid, jumping off a partial opiate agonist like Suboxone at the very minimum dosage of 2mg should only be mildly uncomfortable, if symptoms are noticed at all (though I have met a handful of people (ranging from moderate Codeine abusers to folks with 25 year Dilaudid addictions) when in rehab who found it to be almost unbearable. I've jumped off at both 8mg and 2mg and shrugged the symptoms off (three times with a 5 year IV heroin addiction, and once with a 1 year heroin addiction (intranasal ROA) and on MMT), with the exception of the insomnia (10-30mg of Valium and 300mg of Seroquel too care of that).
 
@andghosts are you saying you cold-turkeyed Suboxone before at 8mg once and 2mg another time and felt similar to what I described (meaning very mild, almost not even like w/d)?

I have read it seems like a million people saying they got down super low like 0.5mg or even less and felp horrible w/d, in fact you are the first one I have heard otherwise, so I hope I read your post correctly because that might mean I am getting closer.

I remember when I had a pretty high MG habit several years back on Oxycodone, got stuck in Mexico while on Vacation for like an extra 3 days, I really thought I was going to die, with my experience right now of stopping the Subs at around 2-3mg a day for the past month, before that it was 4mg a day for 6-7 months and then last month cut to b2-3 range before jumping, I guess it's just hard to believe after reading so many nightmare, I mean I do not feel normal yet or anything, just not nearly as bad as I was expecting, beside some restless legs and an upset stomach feeling that just won't go away for nothing, that is about all I am feeling and like I said this is my 8th almost 9th day into, hopefully this isn't an illusion and the worst just hasn't got to me yet
 
Just don't use lope or other opiates or you'll just prolong it. If I understand it correctly, I think the worst is over for you, so now you should just try not to relapse and you should be free and clear. WD always peaks for me on day 3 or 4 since my last bupe dose. The pain will rarely (if ever) get worse after that point, IME.
 
@Ohayou It's like I really hope I have felt the worst of it but on the other hand it pisses me off if it was this easy and means I went on for years basically because of the fear of going through all this
 
Man, I hope I'm like you...the fear of WD's is almost worse than the WD itself, and I think that's what's keeping me from stopping. I've been using subs for about 2-3 months now, never more than 1mg a day. Most days, about .5. But last weekend I binged on OC/H for 4 days, so the day after that little hiccup, I woke up, and actually felt WD's. It was the first time in a while that I've really felt that nasty, wake up clammy and sweaty, gross smell in my nose, WD feeling. So I took about 1-2mg of sub and within an hour I was feeling fine. That was Wednesday...it's now Sunday, and I've been taking about .5mg-1mg a day. Today I've had nothing, and I really want to stop, but the fear of WD is almost too much to bear. I have about 12mgs left, and I know I can do it, I've tapered myself and quit with subs a few times in the past, with success. I hope my body treats it like yours has. I feel like my relatively short period of use should be in my favor, too. Congrats on quitting, btw. Always nice to hear a success story.
 
sorry to bring up an old thread, but i jumped at 2mgs, today is day 6 and I think I am like you it isn't that hard on me. I am just wondering when the worst will come.
 
sorry to bring up an old thread, but i jumped at 2mgs, today is day 6 and I think I am like you it isn't that hard on me. I am just wondering when the worst will come.

Many people agree the worst part of bupe withdrawal is the prolonged PAWS period. at day 6, you're still in the acute phase. It's the next couple months of post acute symptoms that can get tough to deal with.
 
^ Yea when I stopped it was days 3, 4, and 5 that were the worst (it took around 2-3 days for the withdrawals to start to get bad for me, and the peak lasted about 3 days) and then day 6 was like day 2, and day 7 was like day 1. The PAWS was pretty bad since my body and mind were used to always having opioids in their system at all times.
 
Been taking 2mg subo's for 2-4 days now.. let one dissolve under my tongue this morning.. How long should I wait until Roxi30's work? Tonight? Awesome. ;)
 
You should be over the worst by day six, especially on that low of a dose. In my experience with it, the worst withdrawal symptoms happened at day three.
 
Yeah pretty much, though I guess it all depends on how long you were on it. I was on 100+ mgs of methadone for fifteen years before I quit in mid April. I didn't get on a steady program of subutex until around the middle of June. I'm on 24 mgs a day now and even though I don't have cravings anymore I'm still dealing with various PAWS issues. From the info that my doc gave me, the PAWS shit could last up to two years. The way I'm dealing with it is by taking a B complex vitamin every day and drinking at least a gallon of water. Sleep is still kind of broken up and I've had fucked up dreams. I've had anger problems and other weird emotional shit like crying for no reason. I also used to do a shit load of benzos (mostly zanax) too though and that also probably compounds problems.
 
You should be over the worst by day six, especially on that low of a dose. In my experience with it, the worst withdrawal symptoms happened at day three.

Yeah pretty much, though I guess it all depends on how long you were on it. I was on 100+ mgs of methadone for fifteen years before I quit in mid April. I didn't get on a steady program of subutex until around the middle of June. I'm on 24 mgs a day now and even though I don't have cravings anymore I'm still dealing with various PAWS issues. From the info that my doc gave me, the PAWS shit could last up to two years. The way I'm dealing with it is by taking a B complex vitamin every day and drinking at least a gallon of water. Sleep is still kind of broken up and I've had fucked up dreams. I've had anger problems and other weird emotional shit like crying for no reason. I also used to do a shit load of benzos (mostly zanax) too though and that also probably compounds problems.

I mean in 2mg low? I started on 24mg and was on it for about a year, then ver the course of about 2 years weened down uncomfortably to 3mg, then recently i went down to 2mg, and then tried 1.5mg but I had more withdrawl symptoms than when I jumped. It was almost like when I jumped my body decided to try to be normal. Of course I haven't been opiate free in probably 6-7 years, i mean 6-7 years straight I have never been sober off opiates. Learning to live without them really isn't an issue, when on subs I never relapsed, I don't even have cravings for subs on day 6 which is almost over and when I was on subs I never had a craving for H.

I almost forgot how bad the withdrawls on day 3 were, IMO i was able to get out and go for a walk but I had 0 energy. Slowly I have been getting back energy, but today for the first day i have had some physical withdrawls like cold sweats which come and go, odd that they would show up today and not before. Hopefully tomorrow is better. Cross my fingers, I have two clonodine patches on(each 0.1mg/day) and I have 0.1mg clonodine pills. I also have valium 5mg with a refill which I can refill i would think Monday if I run out, but I limit its use to 3 a day like the script says.

I also have a way to regulate my energy and diarrhea. I have a crap load of sodium ascorbate and if I take like 10-20grams I will start to pee out of my ass whatever is in my stomach, if I take immodium after I take this then it doesn't help until 5 hours later. However if I take the immodium with the SA then I don't get the shits, but I also get energy and some stomach issues. I went through chemo so stomach issues are easy for me, but I also don't want the immodium prolonging withdrawal, which IMO sounds kind of stupid. If most of the physical withdrawal(for me is cold sweats/shaking/uneasiness in the body) come from the receptor sites in the brain, then how the heck does immodium affect those if it can't pass the BBB? Anyways i try not to take more than 2-5 at a time, if I really have the shits then I take 5-7, but otherwise if I take the SA I take only 2 imodium with it and i can hear them fight in my stomach, i guess it keeps me pre-occupied. But the SA is good if you want to flush out your bowels and dehydrate yourself hahaha, it does give you energy bursts too, like huge energy bursts.

Been taking 2mg subo's for 2-4 days now.. let one dissolve under my tongue this morning.. How long should I wait until Roxi30's work? Tonight? Awesome. ;)
no you should wait at least till tomorrow, I had a friend who was stupid and would do sub in the morning and roxy at night and not feel anything, and he woudl do it over and over, so odd.
 
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