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Rapid metabolizing of methadone

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Hello everyone. For obvious reasons I need to remain anonymous for now. I have suffered alone for over 30 years on a methadone clinic(s). I have tried almost everything. I am surviving but barely surviving is not the solution. An internet search found the thread titled "HELP!! My methadone clinic is trying to kill me!" http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/551802-HELP!!-My-methadone-clinic-is-trying-to-kill-me!

I knew instantly that the original poster slackboxed was telling the truth because I have experienced the same fate and nobody believed me either.

I sent a PM to slackboxed hoping for a reply. But what I really would like to do is post in his 2011 thread but its closed. Is there any way that the thread can become unlocked so I can post in the original 2011 thread? Please help.
 
Try sending a PM to an individual that moderates that forum. Depending on the reasons the thread was closed, they may be able to work something out. I've made exceptions were I reopened threads if users had important information to add. If not, then the moderator may find it pointless to revive an ancient thread.

Anonymous -> Support
 
There is a problem. It appears the moderator may have been dokomo. Dokomo was the last poster. The problem he hasnt posted since Feb 2012.

I feel this is my best chance for help. The situation experienced by slackboxed is very rare but Im sure its very true because I experience the same fate. Its really sad to see a member crying out for help only to have a moderator close down the thread. And I need help now and I really hope someone can help me. Thanks.

ADDED: The methadone clinic is not trying to kill us of course but there is a real problem that needs to be solved. There is no telling how many others have experienced the same fate. Im surprised I have managed to survive this long.
 
I sent a PM to brutus. I tried to contact the other mods but I am limited to 1 message every 180 minutes.

I guess I can be patient. Afterall I have been suffering for 35 years. I can wait a little longer. This is the closest I have ever found to someone suffering the same fate. I believe we are both ultra rapid drug metabolizers and its in our genes. I really need to have that thread unlocked because the man was telling the truth.
 
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The OP was not "abruptly and rudely called a liar". Pretty much everyone in the thread minus one person acknowledged that what he was describing with methadone making him very sick does in fact happen to some users. They repeatedly went over his options in the case, which were complicated by his being on probation, but essentially boiled down to quitting methadone in some fashion. I have to believe that this is the best advice for you in your situation too. I'm sure if you wanted to start a thread to talk about methadone-induced sickness, no one would mind. The advice is still probably going to reduce to "quit methadone and get on bupe if you have to" though.
 
Thank You for posting BK. I appreciate it. However here is the last post
I think this thread has pretty much ran its course, and it wasn't honestly OD material to begin with. I'd highly recommend checking out The Dark Side for support, encouragement and experience There are a lot of great contributors there who have been through difficult times, as you're experiencing now.
OK maybe I misunderstood when he used the word honesty. But read the posts leading up to the closure.

I guess I will have to start a new thread. Its kind of a shame typing it all over again because I am experiecing the same exact problem. I believe the old thread will help support my position because its unbelievable. And no this does not happen to very many other users. Its very rare.

I have been on continuous methadone treatment for over 35 years so I am not naive on the subject. Most every patient complains about something. But this is different. Much different. I have talked to everyone that I have met and NOBODY was having the same reaction. I feel I have a connection with slackboxed because he is the first person I have met in 35 years that has the same problem and it is a physical metabolism problem, not mental..

Of course quitting methadone is the best option. I feel like saying a big DUH!! But because of our genes and ultra fast metabolism we cannot detox, we cannot maintain and bupe doesnt work either. It took me many years to discover the metabolism part. I may have found a solution that may help us both and I want to share on the proper forum.. I also want to know if slackboxed survived. I hope he is doing well.

Again thanks for replying.

I discovered that an ultra rapid metabolizer means that we "break down drugs too fast causing them to be of no use to the body." This is an exact quote from the Consumer Health Information Corp. It may affect all medications.


We cannot maintain, so we cannot slow detox. . Drinking methadone just keeps us sick all the time. The only solution was cold turkey and thats not a very good option although I wish I had known this when I was young, I would have tried harder.

Myself I have finally managed to detox down and I am almost off the program but my life is almost over now. Methadone ruined my entire life. I would like to reopen the old thread to add my lifes experience of receiving misinformation to help others that may have the same problem with nowhere to turn for help.

For over 30 years, I suffered alone. I talked with everyone I met and nobody believed me. I dont know why I expected it to be any different here at Bluelight. I guess I just got excited when I googled and discovered the "my methadone clinic is trying to kill me" thread. Finally I found someone that experienced the same ordeal.

I can continue to plead to the mods but I think my best bet is to wait and hope that slackboxed, (the OP of the original thread) will log back in some day (if hes still alive). Im sure he would be very anxious to speak with me.

Thanks for trying to help Chromophobia. I truly believe I have important information to add. If I start a new thread it will only end the same as the original and I dont have the strength to argue or fight anymore. . I truly believe that by adding my similar experiences to the original thread will add credence to his story. It may also help myself and others.
 
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I posted for the first time today and it had to do with Methadone clinics in Germany., I believe I put it in the wrong area because I am not getting any answers. How do I switch it over to "Homeless" or this conversation about Methadone? I am KarenInTexas. 8(
 
They repeatedly went over his options in the case, which were complicated by his being on probation, but essentially boiled down to quitting methadone in some fashion. I have to believe that this is the best advice for you in your situation too. I'm sure if you wanted to start a thread to talk about methadone-induced sickness, no one would mind. The advice is still probably going to reduce to "quit methadone and get on bupe if you have to" though.
The options given for quitting methadone will not work. One of the suggestions was to go back to Heroin which was probably the best option but in reality not really good advice.. However I have discovered some other possible options that I have used myself to detox down that were not suggested along with the cause for his ordeal..

I posted for the first time today and it had to do with Methadone clinics in Germany., I believe I put it in the wrong area because I am not getting any answers. How do I switch it over to "Homeless" or this conversation about Methadone? I am KarenInTexas. 8(

Hello Karen. Sorry I am not able to help you with the proper forum. I am a newbie myself and so far Im not getting much help.

Im sure a mod will be along shortly.
 
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We'll honestly if I were you I would look into looking for another methadone clinic if that's an option. As you are seeking ask to speak with the doctor or the head nurse of the clinic and tell them what your personal needs and goals are regarding your methadone treatment. Make sure that you tell them your concerns and your troubles with the other methadone clinic and wait by their response if this sounds like it would be worth switching to another clinic. It sounds to me like the extra 15miles would be worth driving for that other persons thread that you left the link for.

I don't know if you have the option or not at switching to another methadone clinic? Are there any others within your area?

Sincerely Newsunnn
 
I posted for the first time today and it had to do with Methadone clinics in Germany., I believe I put it in the wrong area because I am not getting any answers. How do I switch it over to "Homeless" or this conversation about Methadone? I am KarenInTexas. 8(

your thread seems quite fine in new member introductions. you might want to also consider posting in european and african drug discussion

as for the OP, i am not sure what you want to happen? the mods of the forum don't want to reopen the thread and they suggested you make a new thread about your problems. you might also find the sober recovery forum worth reading thru
 
Thanks newsunnn. I appreciate you trying to help. I really do. Its comforting to know that someone in this world cares at least a tiny bit. Because most people just dont give a shit.

I have been to several different clinics. As you could imagine I tried everything over the course of 35 years., Today as we speak I am sick. I am sick every day for 35 years. I get only a few hours of relief. I am really trying to get off this horrible drug.

The problem is not the clinic. The problem is my ultra fast metabolism. It took me 35 years to discover this. And I think slackboxed is the same. I have 3 private doctors appointments in the next 3 weeks and Im hoping for some help with my metabolism. I repeat the quote from the Consumer Health site: (we) "break down drugs too fast causing them to be of no use to the body." No drugs work on me. Not even blood pressure drugs. My liver enzymes break them down super fast. Im convinced this is the problem. Its in my genes. I was born this way. There is some new genetic testing available.

Read this
http://www.consumer-health.com/serv...elpDoctorsPrescribetheRightMedicineforYou.php

I have a question for anyone reading this. Have you ever heard of anyone else besides Slackboxed and myself that have this ultra super fast metabolism and methadone only lasts a few hours after years of being clean and "stable"? Slackboxed commented that he drank under observation but it was out of his urine by the next day! Im sure he was telling the truth.
 
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I went back and reread my posts and it appears that all I am doing is criticizing Bluelight. Well lol it wasnt my intention. I was so excited to find the old thread. Im not computer savvy and it was frustrating for me just simply trying to join BL and then try to post in a closed thread and then try go thru the proper channels to get it opened. Sometimes I get this "You do not have permission to perform this action. Please refresh the page and login before trying again" Like I said I work for a living and my time and patience is limited. I hope I dont have to rewrite this entire post.

I will write to brutus when this all calms down in a few days and try to plead my case because Im sure he has no idea what information I have to add. The whole thing is apparently confusing to readers because I have only had one reply to sincerely help our methadone problem but at least 4 mods have replied to this thread lol. . I believe if I had posted on the original old thread, it would not be confusing.

If brutus says still no after hearing more about it, then I will respect his wishes. Then some day in the future, if and when I get time, I will rewrite my entire story, from the beginning, but keep in mind my time is limited. Im too busy being sick!! What a sick joke. At least I can joke about it because I may have found a solution. A dim light at the end of a 35 year tunnel..


Thanks again. Apologies to brutus, shreddedlettuce, animal-cookie, tricomb, Blulight and anyone else that I rubbed the wrong way. Im very tired and possibly not thinking clearly.

Take care.
You sound pretty depressed man, cheer up. Get those substances out of your body and don't blame a clinic for your mistakes (Although I can see how following a doctor's orders can be appealing in the sense of 'doing the right thing' common sense always has to come into play)

Good luck!

PS: Try not to post 3 times in a row.
 
Hell yes Im depressed. You dont know how comforting it is to find 1 other person in this world with the same reaction then frustrating to find out hes gone and the thread is locked.

Im not blaming the clinic although I was fed misinformation for years. Like I said its a gene in my body causing drugs to be of no use to me. There is no one to blame but myself and fate. I was born this way. LOL it sounds crazy but I believe its true and some doctors have agreed. http://www.consumer-health.com/serv...elpDoctorsPrescribetheRightMedicineforYou.php

Keep in mind when I joined the clinic in the late 70s there was no other options and they kept insisting I would eventually stabilize and be able to detox. But unknown to me at the time, I never could stabilize. I am actually doing much better now but I lost the prime of my life. Although Im not feeling well, Im almost completely drug free. A 35 year habit is tough to quit; almost impossible. But Im Ok. Im doing it. I found a way. I just need some closure and who knows I might help someone else..

Sometimes I think it will help to talk about it and other times I feel whats the use. Maybe I should try to forget.

Thanks for posting..
 
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Hell yes Im depressed. You dont know how comforting it is to find 1 other person in this world with the same reaction then frustrating to find out hes gone and the thread is locked.

Im not blaming the clinic although I was fed misinformation for years. Like I said its a gene in my body causing drugs to be of no use to me. There is no one to blame but myself and fate. I was born this way. LOL it sounds crazy but I believe its true and some doctors have agreed. http://www.consumer-health.com/serv...elpDoctorsPrescribetheRightMedicineforYou.php

Keep in mind when I joined the clinic in the late 70s there was no other options and they kept insisting I would eventually stabilize and be able to detox. But unknown to me at the time, I never could stabilize. I am actually doing much better now but I lost the prime of my life. Although Im not feeling well, Im almost completely drug free. A 35 year habit is tough to quit. But Im Ok. I just need some closure and who knows I might help someone else..

Sometimes I think it will help to talk about it and other times I feel whats the use. Maybe I should try to forget.

Thanks for posting..

It is strange that you metabolize methadone so quickly. Is it like this for all drugs? Does heroin last a normal amount of time?

The sad moral of this story is that doctors don't always know what's best for you and there's always going to be some people that don't react the same way to some things. Doctors are trained to fix common things with common fixes and when something goes out of those bounds many don't know what to do. I've had a bad stomach problem for my whole life and the answer I got when I was young was to eat more easy to digest foods such as popcorn and grits... well I've found out personally that carbs are what inflames my digestive system. I had to feel for what worked for me.

Doctors don't always know what's right, moderators don't always know what's right. Authority figures are human just like anyone else and I doubt their rate of success is any different.

Also, don't be so quick to say you're no longer in the prime of your life. You may be old but the fact you are just now expressing your problems like this may mean the prime of your life is just around the corner... Some people are more famous in old age than they ever were younger. Take Betty White for example, she's almost 100 isn't she?

Haha, the world...
 
Hey Bloodshed thanks for nice reply. Im glad you found a solution to your stomach ailment. I only recently discovered the link I posted. Actually I found it the same day as I discovered the thread in lockdown.

In 35 years, I couldnt get anyone to believe me. That was the worst part. Everyone accused me of lying, doing drugs and everything else.

Its funny you mentioned Heroin. I never used Heroin until way after I got on the clinic. I was so fed up with being sick everyday, bills had to be paid, I needed to keep working. I started using Heroin. Its the only time I felt good. For some unknown reason, injected Heroin lasts a long time. Methadone does not. LAAM is very quickly metabolized as well..

As far as my age Im 59 but everyone thinks Im 39. I have to keep showing my ID. I guess its a genes thing. Some people theorize that the methadone somehow preserved me lol. But I doubt it. Just good genes. I have the blood pressure of a 20 year old. Never caught any serious diseases. Why did I have to be born with such good genes, with a super ultra fast metabolism? Why me?
 
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If you didn't discover heroin until after you were on methadone then what were you using that led you to get on a methadone program?
 
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