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Have the Shulgins officially entered retirement?

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I haven't seen a thread about this over the last year, but I can say with some certainty that his property in California was sold in October of last year.

Things have been quiet from his front for a while now, so can anyone in personal contact with him please give us the heads up on his status and if he's making out alright? I had wanted to mail him some correspondence, but I suppose I'll have to resort to the Transform Press PO Box for now.

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I have found a recent update,
How Sasha is right now (March 2013)
Written March 14, 2013 8:52pm

Dear Everyone,

Greg Manning, who keeps things on the rails which might otherwise careen in various and occasionally disastrous directions, and who also reminds me of things I've forgotten to remember, did another vital job two days ago, pointing out to me that a certain website had information about Sasha which is more than slightly out-of-date, and that perhaps I should update it. He's absolutely right, and I apologize for a two-year omission, or whatever it was. This is the most recent information on Sasha:

In November of 2010, Sasha had been, "... struggling for seven months with an ulcer on his left foot ..." which was beginning to heal, and he was anticipating a skin graft within a few weeks, "... hoping to avoid amputation." We had been taking him to a clinic which specialized in ulcers of this kind, mostly seen in diabetics (Sasha doesn't have diabetes; he has peripheral neuropathy), and we had run up against a state of mind too often seen in the medical world, a sort of habit of thinking that goes (approximately) this way: "Patient has foot ulcer; we have seen many millions of such foot ulcers, and we know what to expect of them. Patient's family insists that the usual course of treatment is not necessarily right for this particular patient, and we are trying to make them realize that they are in a state of denial, and that we are simply trying to save them time and money when we argue for the outcome which we know to be right and inevitable, and which they, too, will come to accept as right and inevitable, hopefully without spending too much more time arguing with us. (The obvious, right and inevitable outcome was, of course, A.M.P.U.T.A.T.I.O.N.)

When we found a new and creative Primary Care Physician, Paul Abramson, M.D., about this time, we learned -- from him -- that there was a group of physicians who regarded themselves as rescuers of limbs -- particularly feet which had developed non-healing wounds -- and when I wrote the note for the website, we were about to see Sasha's left foot undergo a skin graft. The clinic had never suggested a skin graft.

During the months that followed the graft, Sasha's physical condition improved on all fronts. The graft took, and even the faintest hint of redness on any part of either foot was treated immediately. No new ulcers were allowed to develop. His diet was high in protein, and the two Tibetan women who took care of him cooked delicious and very healthy meals, particularly soups containing vegetables and chicken. They had learned cooking in India, where they had grown up, and they seemed to really enjoy creating meals out of whatever they found in the refrigerator, without having to consult any recipes. We saved enough money to buy the best food-processor on the market, and it was used every day to make smoothies out of fruits and nuts (more protein). Sasha has had no ulcers for over a year. He is rather frail, most particularly when walking, but his basic strength remains intact. His eyesight is very poor (macular degeneration), and we keep hoping that stem cell research will solve that problem while Sasha is alive and able to undergo whatever procedure might be available, since being able to see more clearly would be a wonderful gift to him.


During all this time, another health problem was beginning to make itself apparent. Sasha was showing the early signs of dementia, mostly severe loss of short-term memory. Unlike the ulcers on the foot, dementia does not get better. One simply hopes that it will stop getting worse, or at least slow down the deterioration. So far, Sasha seems to have retained much of his chemistry memory, and also definitely has most of his word-games and pun-making ability intact. He is very good-natured, just as he's always been, and loves being around people. When he isn't sitting in the lab with Paul Daley (a few times a week), he's down with one of his care-givers in the local Starbucks coffee shop, where a bunch of grey-haired people get together almost every day. He is, apparently, regarded as the group's wizard/wise-man, probably because he says very little, but when he does open his mouth, the words that emerge are either quite wise, or very funny, and usually both. He enjoys his Starbucks hours almost as much as he does the lab hours.

The medicine that has kept Sasha moderately affected by the dementia, and not seeming to worsen much is an old one, created by the great elder of the psychedelic world -- Albert Hofmann -- who called it hydergine. Here, in the U.S., it is called Ergoloid, and it's very expensive. But it works. Unlike the standard dementia medications everyone uses -- Aventia and Namenda -- (have I got those right?), this ergoloid actually slows down the disintegration, and we are tremendously grateful for it. I wish more physicians knew about it and gave it to their patients.

We have been supported in our effort to keep Sasha home, with home-care, by fund-raising every possible way, and by wonderful people who fund-raise for us, and so far we've managed to keep things going and the $360 a day bill for elder-care paid, because of thousands of good and wonderful people who have sent in small bills and big checks and everything in between, but finally, we've had to put several acres of gorgeous hillside on sale, and we're hoping for the best. The economy is healing, so perhaps we'll be successful, and then we won't have to keep fund-raising all the time. Until that happens, we are grateful beyond telling for the support we've been getting from so many people all over the world!

Blessings,
Ann

End Of An Era - No More Shulgin July 4th

June 20, 2013 2:08am

Dear All,

Forgive my long silence. I was unwell for quite a few weeks, and am now gradually recovering. I have to get a message to all of you as soon as possible.

For the first time, we will not be opening our doors to all our friends on July 4th. I did my best to spread the word last year, but apparently that word didn't reach everyone, and I don't want people going to great trouble to get here, just to be turned away.

My close family will be here -- my four children and eight grandchildren -- and nine friends who know them. Each of them will have received a printed invitation, to make it official, and there will be people at the entrance to check the invitations, and there will be no exceptions.

I hope you will all understand.

Love and Blessings,

Ann and Sasha and Tania and Greg

God bless him and all of his amazing work.
 
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Its so excellent that his physical health is improving, and that his mental health seems to be holding steady. I wonder if he is aware of racetams, and if he is, why he is not using them. If he's not aware of them, someone should let him know about them forthwith. Its so inspiring that he's still working in the lab doing what he loves. It's such a shame that his medical care is costing them so much and putting them in such a difficult financial position. Coming from a country where we don't pay for our medical care, I find it extremely sad, depressing, and frankly, disgusting that his family is being forced to choose between his health and the financial well-being of his family. I am not ashamed to admit that reading this brought tears to my eyes. I will be making a donation to his family as soon as I am able for as much as I can spare. He is such a great man, and to allow him and his family to suffer is unacceptable as far as I am concerned.

To Ann and Sasha, if you ever read this message, stay strong! The community which you have helped to create and preserve stands with you now and forever! I only hope that some day I can tell you face to face how much of a difference your work has made to my life.
 
Unfortunately millions of elderly Americans and their families all suffer the same reality and set of circumstances - even here in Canada, not all healthcare is free (you mentioned to me you live in BC and your care is pretty top notch there, my grandfather moved from bc to ontario and then back to bc because his medical costs were outrageous here and in BC they covered the majority). I'd wager that even without the support of the community who loves him for his work that he is in a far better position than most. I'm not saying this to in any way discredit his need or anyones wish to donate at all, but just as some food for thought.
 
Do you think all the drugs he did could have contributed to his dementia?

While it is definitely possible, many younger people have fallen into complete dementia without the aid of the broad range of psychedelics Sasha exposed himself to.
In fact I'd say his age in respect to his current mental state is a testament to the psychological saftey profile of psychedelics.
It seems to be more proof that psychedelics can't cause mental disorders, but only cause an earlier onset for those with a predisposition to schizophrenia and other illnesses
 
Unfortunately millions of elderly Americans and their families all suffer the same reality and set of circumstances - even here in Canada, not all healthcare is free (you mentioned to me you live in BC and your care is pretty top notch there, my grandfather moved from bc to ontario and then back to bc because his medical costs were outrageous here and in BC they covered the majority). I'd wager that even without the support of the community who loves him for his work that he is in a far better position than most. I'm not saying this to in any way discredit his need or anyones wish to donate at all, but just as some food for thought.

I wouldn't be so sure that his position is so enviable. Considering that they are dependant almost entirely on community donations at the moment, and that they are actually to the point of selling off a large portion of their property to help pay their expenses (Almost $400.00 DAILY just for elder care ?!) I would feel comfortable saying that they are probbly in dire straits. That isn't to say that there are not many others who are much worse off, not having the support of a grateful community and saleable property to help pay their bills, but it doesn't change the fact that a great man who has given so much to our community is in a bad way with no real financial security to give him piece of mind and make his elder years worry-free. To me, that is so sad, because it is the fact that he has devoted his life to psychedelics research that has left him in such a state. If he kept working for Dow doing R&D he would probably have been set for life and free to spend his senior years as he saw fit, but instead he chose to do as he did, despite all the trouble it brought for him, because he believed that he could make a difference and change the collective consciousness for the better. This is why I feel so strongly.
 
Do you think all the drugs he did could have contributed to his dementia?

Considering how many/how often he 'did drugs' (which seems to be weekly from reading the lab notes), his age, and how well he is actually doing.....uh I'd have to say clearly it is just as likely any man his age can be where he is at. All of us would imagine that with all the 'drugs' he did (and well most of 'these drugs' were not marijuana or some blow, they were research chemicals he made and most of which still have never been tried outside his research group) he would be an orange worried that someone was about to stick a straw in him and take a drink.

Here is to you Dr. Shulgin

/me raises a glass.
 
I'm not in any way attempting to open a discussion on the legitimacy of his needs, nor am I somehow dismissing them, I was simply saying that what he is going through is not at all uncommon. It is a blessing he chose to do the work he chose and its a shame that a product of that was a lack of financial security with old age. It was just some food for thought into the state of affairs concerning the care for the elderly who require assistance and expensive drugs [and not to prod the fire but they do state that he is taking a much more expensive medication than other similar ones].

Anyway Im not disagreeing really in any way with you or him, or the community, and none of what I said changes the fact that he is a great man who has given to the community in innumerable ways. In the end he chose his own path, and must have known that such a day would come. He is indeed very fortunate to have helped build a community that feels strongly enough about him, his life, and his work to support him in these times. I can draw all sorts of analogies and examples, but I fear this will jump into an emotionally fueled debate and I wish not to go down that road.

He has my respect and my blessings, and I wish him and his family all the best.

Considering how many/how often he 'did drugs' (which seems to be weekly from reading the lab notes), his age, and how well he is actually doing.....uh I'd have to say clearly it is just as likely any man his age can be where he is at. All of us would imagine that with all the 'drugs' he did (and well most of 'these drugs' were not marijuana or some blow, they were research chemicals he made and most of which still have never been tried outside his research group) he would be an orange worried that someone was about to stick a straw in him and take a drink.

Here is to you Dr. Shulgin

/me raises a glass.

Indeed. The man is 88 if I recall correctly? He is doing amazingly well even for a perfectly healthy individual who never did an unhealthy thing in all his life.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Word, love (from my perspective) your 'libertarian' and/or 'conservative' viewpoint on this. It is the 'US liberal' perspective that would make him a hero for his 'good intentions' and then require you and I to give up oh 40% of our earnings to pay for the hero's final years-care (and other causes they champion and they all have their causes right or left) if they made laws and could task the IRS with enforcing them...and everyone (and of course call us greedy racist Christians if we don't see it that way.) ;)

Sorry couldn't resist.
 
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I honestly read that over and over and couldn't really deduce what you're trying to say, if its an attack, sarcastic or not, or what.. and Im not sure how to even respond. :\
 
I honestly read that over and over and couldn't really deduce what you're trying to say, if its an attack, sarcastic or not, or what.. and Im not sure how to even respond. :\

I am quite serious and I was not attacking you at all, but this is the PD board so I should take an imaginary warning and leave politics to the CEP folks.
 
I'm not in any way attempting to open a discussion on the legitimacy of his needs, nor am I somehow dismissing them, I was simply saying that what he is going through is not at all uncommon. It is a blessing he chose to do the work he chose and its a shame that a product of that was a lack of financial security with old age. It was just some food for thought into the state of affairs concerning the care for the elderly who require assistance and expensive drugs [and not to prod the fire but they do state that he is taking a much more expensive medication than other similar ones].

Anyway Im not disagreeing really in any way with you or him, or the community, and none of what I said changes the fact that he is a great man who has given to the community in innumerable ways. In the end he chose his own path, and must have known that such a day would come. He is indeed very fortunate to have helped build a community that feels strongly enough about him, his life, and his work to support him in these times. I can draw all sorts of analogies and examples, but I fear this will jump into an emotionally fueled debate and I wish not to go down that road.

He has my respect and my blessings, and I wish him and his family all the best.



Indeed. The man is 88 if I recall correctly? He is doing amazingly well even for a perfectly healthy individual who never did an unhealthy thing in all his life.

Oh I'm not trying to start an argument or claim that your point of view is somehow invalid. I agree with you, I was just looking at things from a different angle. I would love to hear your analogies and examples that support your point of view, but if you don't feel comfortable expressing them, I understand. I would never presume to tell you that your opinions are somehow incorrect or inferior to my own, and would certainly never start an argument over it.

I'm just happy that things seem to be going as good as they can be for Sasha and Ann given the circumstances. One can only hope that everything works out as best as is possible for them!

Considering how many/how often he 'did drugs' (which seems to be weekly from reading the lab notes), his age, and how well he is actually doing.....uh I'd have to say clearly it is just as likely any man his age can be where he is at. All of us would imagine that with all the 'drugs' he did (and well most of 'these drugs' were not marijuana or some blow, they were research chemicals he made and most of which still have never been tried outside his research group) he would be an orange worried that someone was about to stick a straw in him and take a drink.

Here is to you Dr. Shulgin

/me raises a glass.

I absolutely agree, totally and completely. The conditions he is suffering are quite common complications of old age. As others said, it's a testament to the safety of psychedelics that he has consumed as many as he has as often as he has and yet is not showing any signs of long-term complications, just conditions that are pretty normal for a man of his age.
 
Bless them both and their family.

Another question, could the peripheral neuropathy have something to do with psychedelics ?
 
Kind of impossible to say. Not completely outta the question, but once you get into your 80s, shits gonna start to go wrong, regardless of what drugs you were taking earlier in life.
 
I would doubt it, but then again its not impossible. On one hand psychelics have one of the best saftey profiles as physical effects go, but on the other he has consumed so many compounds that are totally unexplored outside of his own experimentation that no-one can really say if one of those could be the culprit. When you consider his experience, and his good sense to stop whenever any signs of toxicity emerge, I think the chances are rather low that it can be attributed to anything other than age. I would be more inclined to point the finger at his earlier work with pesticides, since those are quite toxic to the nervous system. Really, my guess is as good as anyone else's though, so take that as you will.
 
Could be some of the fumes he inhaled during synthesis, though when I look at my grandmother when she was 88 (she's still going strong at 93 though!) then he's not-so-bad for his age

EDIT: I though Paul Daley took over most of the work on volume 2
 
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Latest news on the Shulgins from Ann:

Dear Friend,

Thank you once again, for your generous support. You can't know how much it means to have people like you in our lives, making it possible to have Sasha cared for at home.

Sasha is doing very well, considering that he's just turned 88 years old. He spends several afternoons a week with Paul Daley, in the lab. On other days, his care-person drives him down to the local Starbucks, where he keeps company with a group of silver-haired coffee-drinkers who call him The Professor.

I am trying to establish a schedule for the writing of Book Three, which is slowly beginning to take shape. All I need is continual infusions of energy, which are hard to come by after age 75!

Sasha and I send you deep gratitude and blessings.

----Ann
 
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