The 21st century digital boys had their ankles cut and are left to crawl to the beat.

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

..of an indifferent drum.

People from my generation : born between 1978 and 1984 I'd say were told that the future was bright, that there was no more war, no more enemy with nukes ready to destroy us all, that humanity had finally triumphed brutality and a new utopia was ready for us in the next century. The privileged elite felt threatened by the fact so many educated people were coming into the workforce unable to endure shitty repeater jobs. No matter what you think happened on 11 sept 2001 it was definitely a message to us, my generation, that we would not see that bright future we were all told of in the early to mid 90's so much was just next door.

Then, for this author, the Internet arrived in 1997 seemingly making humanity able to communicate only through consciousness and whether these 21st century digital boys and girls would seemingly form an harmonious force of change was still left to be seen, the previous BBS days my uncle had been part of was a seemingly big indicator that there was somehow, something bright and righteous going on and it would just go on to come faster and faster. Then 911 happened, a lot of seemingly smart individuals took refuge into drugs, crazy retarded meth induced sex party/mdma too while at it due to the trauma we all had been exposed to back then, where not many people seemed to understand what was going on, from day 1 from when I saw the towers fall I was like no way a fucking plane did this and there was talks of bombs everywhere, turns out there was but the main subject of this sudden drop of idea is far from being 911.

Later on the internet wasn't a place where people who only knew each other through their conscience networked, it became a webcam whore/youtube internet tough guys/Jackass broadband medium of mediocrity. The, I hate to say this, but if it quacks like a duck...the newfags, the generation after mine seemingly too young to have understood what happened at the turn of the millennium reduced our consciousness network to a pile of faded mcdonald's tasting bullshit. Sure one can do like myself and try to ignore it all, I never owned a webcam, the women I had sex with, I have always met first irl, it seems a lot of people are so jacked to the internet in the generation that came to me juuusssst right after mine, and its not some old man bullshitting, not only do they seem to use it for totally wrong reasons, accepting by default that paying for shit while you already pay for a really expensive (at least in canada, we are one of the country that takes it the deepest in the ass concerning telecom) Internet connection who actually take seriously artists crying on tv commercials against downloading music....makes me sick, very little music our generation was listening to was on tv, commercial radio, except when it got popular by accident, starting with Nirvana to about 1994-1995 when melodic hardcore punk coupled with pop punk suddenly came to be popular (of course that wouldn't last, it made the white little boys feel powerful, they quickly replaced the trend with gangsta rap which not a lot of white, middle class people can relate to unless they make those rappers appealing with their quest for bitches and money being the most important thing about the, certainly not their music). My generation was at a sort of tipping point where thrash metal and punk was killing the mainstream and then corporate execs at large made sure that didn't last, it was a dangerous thing to let be the voice of a whole generation come out against the shenanigans many of the 80's bands who lived in a similar kind of geopolitical atmosphere as we do in 2013, even worse in some sense since there was still the cold war in full action then).

Then they did the same thing with the internet. First they kill usenet, you need to pay to pirate or just discuss now on those text boards, no offense to forum boards, I just felt a greater feeling of freedom using alt.drugs.psychedelics back then for example.Then they went after all media trading, because that's bad, there could be ideas dangerous to the status quo being transmitted through all of this and they only leave the irrelevant or so ads filled shit youtube videos in case one just wants to hear a super compressed song that a lot of the older people simply left the internet because they couldn't deal with having to install over 9000 browser add-ons, back then till about 2007 everything was way more simple, wanted no ads ? Use Opera. Anyway, the one tool that had surfaced for humanity to stand as one and crush the pseudo-human neanderthals running this show has now been desecrated, raped, violated and dumped down a ditch, and I hate having to be being 7 proxies to post this self-evident truth.

What we have to do now is do like the late 70's/early 80's punks and metalheads (not the glam metal cocksuckers plz) and also the original real street rap, we need to coalesce into one single entity in art that might have to go back to fucking tape cassettes if the need be, but we have to find another way of spreading our ideas without the internet, because that medium, is more or less over, no need for a killswitch mr president of the country below mine which is making me do everything to move to scandinavia these days (already in process). And I don't mean the kind of music that my generation and the one before used to transmit messages of disagreement with authority, it can be anything, from spoken word to fucking psychedelic rock, but artists who actually do still want to have an impact will have to go into the dark, as bizarre as it sounds. There's always some contradiction, like, a band I could name, Tragedy, which is crustcore/melodic hardcore has absolutely no presence on the internet, all you can do is buy their albums online and read about how they will play live somewhere, and they aren't a first parter band that nobody cares about, they have great messages to convey but they have since long realized the internet isnt all what it was supposed to be anymore, even in the mid 2000's.

The digital boy shouldn't be so digital anymore.


*Sorry for the english, it's my second language, usually I put a lot more effort into anything I post that isn't IRC chatting but right now I couldn't careless with all that oxycodone and flexeril in me. I might revise my prose later though.

 

[thujone]

I feel ya but I don't think the internet needs to die. After all, the web (conduit for all the commercialism) is just one part of the internet. As long as community-supported sites exist, like BL, and Wikipedia, for example, there's hope for even HTTP.

This feeling that we should find a new way to communicate is interesting to me though. I remember when people actually used to ask if you have an email address or internet connection. You'd get the newspaper in the morning then had to wait for the news at 6 to see if anything was up, now we have news aggregators feeding us a non-stop stream of new information right to our cell phones.

I like your message, but I worry that the internet will just become more and more integrated into our everyday lives and we will wake up one day to realize we've reached the end of history and there will be nothing left to do but fade away. Maybe TS Eliot was right when he prophecized how the world would end; not with a bang but a whimper.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I feel ya but I don't think the internet needs to die. After all, the web (conduit for all the commercialism) is just one part of the internet. As long as community-supported sites exist, like BL, and Wikipedia, for example, there's hope for even HTTP.

This feeling that we should find a new way to communicate is interesting to me though. I remember when people actually used to ask if you have an email address or internet connection. You'd get the newspaper in the morning then had to wait for the news at 6 to see if anything was up, now we have news aggregators feeding us a non-stop stream of new information right to our cell phones.

I like your message, but I worry that the internet will just become more and more integrated into our everyday lives and we will wake up one day to realize we've reached the end of history and there will be nothing left to do but fade away. Maybe TS Eliot was right when he prophecized how the world would end; not with a bang but a whimper.

I have always listened to a lot of CBC Radio and the news there, even if it state owned, is the most neutral of it all, which would to a surprise to americans. That's why our current "Conservative" overlords hate anything CBC, may it be tv or radio (they really went against the radio and did most cuts there though) because a lot more of truth and diverging opinions to the popular consensus were broadcasted, all on the taxpayers money, the horror. It isn't a good thing to them and it isn't a propaganda arm of the country, it follows the same principles of BBC and ABC...there's no money to be made in those medias, that's one big reason why they hate it.

Since I've posted this "dissertation" I have obtained a short wave radio and surprisingly a lot of fun things happen there still, I've been broadcasting non commercial music sometimes for fun and people on the right next channel were going : man this is a really cool that is going on x channel and I felt relevant again. These days it's impossible (almost) to be relevant on the internet, your mind, like in the early days of the internet is rarely rewarded, if anyone here ever heard the Dead Kennedy's "MTV Get Off The Air" from the Frankenchrist album in 1985, those guys were already declaring MTV to be full of shit, during the days they actually had music on there lol, and theres a part in the lyrics going : "MTV claims to have invented rock video, allowing it to sink in one year as commercial tv did in 25". Well I guess the internet that was exciting died around Bush's second election, then the prism and other warrantless surveillance happened with microsoft joining the fray first in 2007 it seems, which is all too coinciding with a major irc server, which then had channels for every little town to the bigger ones on it,s network for my province in canada as well as many other. That network came under non stop DDOS attacks in 2006, funnily enough, it happened the just as myspace was getting huge, and when I received my first forsaken invitation to facebook, from a person I still don't know who it was and I had no idea what facebook was then, I had a lot of friends who were studying at canada's MIT, the ETS in Montreal, could have came from them as all such schools are funded by the likes of google and the powers that be's favourite tools of IT which is really made to imprison us...I find it funny how PRISM sounds like Prison...anybody here noticed that ?

I guess I have worse problems these days, I just came back from the doctor today, and my suspicions turned out to be true, methadone has almost killed all of my testosterone...i'm at a 0,66 when the minimum normal is supposedly 4....no wonder I feel like such shit these days, i'm switching to suboxone soon but the methadone's side effects had time to slowly kill me, now I understand why a guy I know who beat heroin addiction and was sick for 30 days cold turkey was saying he was against methadone and how it just slowly burns you out. I gained 60 pounds since I started methadone treatment in October. I should have never gone there and detoxed by myself, like I had succeeded in doing before. I was just too weak mentally then to endure it all, I was abusing benzos too, I was allowed to keep using them, I should have kept to benzos as far as hard drug come, nevermind the pain problems I had developed, they didn't warrant sticking dilaudid into my arms 5 times a day. But this world is getting so depressing....but maybe I feel it is worse than it really is since a symptom of very low testosterone like I got is depression....which I never really got before in my life, I was outraged and anxious but never depressed.

At least the treatment for this will come quick since my GP told me that I was in urgent need of care by this by an urologist (i didn't know urologists were totally like gynecologists for men, i thought i was being referred to an endocrinologist...w/e). Maybe things will get more positive in my head once I switched to suboxone and am getting testosterone injections/use that testosterone gel on my back.

Enough of me, but I'm seeing my own downfall because I had decided maybe that the world was over no matter what, which makes sense, I had given up once I had found dilaudid for so cheap and kept shooting up for almost a year, I thought methadone was a saviour, but it really isn't, I really hope suboxone is the be-all end-all like I hear and I try once again. Because nevermind all the hatred and negativity I feel towards the outside world, I do not feel like I have done everything I could to better my life and by extension make the world better, reminds me of the the offspring song (when they were still a relevant punk band) called Change The World where the chorus goes : "You're ready saving yourself, you're gonna change the world"...maybe there is some truth in that buddhist view of the world that once you feel happy the rest of the world seemingly gets better by itself...which sounds incredible but I have always been a believer of solipsism......the fact I am still able to cogitate like this is one thing that makes me hold on and not commit complete social suicide, I may be ready for an internet suicide if things become too bad on it for me to consider it a useful too and just buy myself a lot of books in case an EMP (solar or not) throws us back to the 18th century, sometimes I wish its what humanity as a whole needs as a wake up call.

 

[thujone]

That's really interesting about the shortwave radio, I should hook one up for myself. I remember receiving broadcasts from as far as Hong Kong out in the middle of central Ontario where you can't even get cell reception on a CDMA phone. If you have a parabolic antenna, try aiming that in the direction of where N.B. turns into N.S. and maybe you'll hear some good world radio, the CBC keeps the only high-power shortwave relay station in the country there (AFAIK). Also, don't you need some sort of license to broadcast?

I'm not sure what hormone imbalance has to do the issue at whole, I have above avg test and I feel similarly about where society is going in general. Nobody I talk to these days seems to read, or if they do then it's some really banal "bestseller" shit you'll find a mountain of at the entrance of any Chapters you walk into. Everyone seems to read Facebook and Twitter and mainstream news. It's true that the internet has made it more difficult for a person to have their voice heard amidst the noise but on the flipside of that we have more access to niche communities than ever before. The unintended side-effect of that is instead of people going out, finding their niche group locally and doing something, we can just have a dialogue about our interests without even leaving home.

What I'm hoping to see, especially now that certain countries have taken to censoring and filtering the internet (you may be thinking China and Russia but I'm refering more to Australia and the UK) is the rise of regional nets where individuals and small organizations set up their own wireless infrastructure to provide a means for communities to communicate with TCP/IP, but without the same level of peerage that would connect it to the world at large. I feel like the advent of WiMax has really put that sort of future within our grasp, but I also worry that people might not desire it strongly enough to make it happen. Then the idea might be washed over with the latest commercial venture, the latest Facebook, and we'll watch another potentially great future get executed in front of an unmarked grave by so-called entrepreneurs and the venture capitalists who gave them worth.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Yeah, I mean, I don't expect my whole world outlook to change but at least I'll have the energy and physical health to be able to endure and fight it better once I have this corrected, this is a very extremely low amount of testosterone I have here....I didn't notice it due to lack of sexual effects, except the actual feeling of needing it without women around me and getting bored of it unlike I used to in the past.

I'm a bit unaware of what you have mentioned, but I have always thought that BBS's could come back, even if it means i'll need a 56k (or double 56k modem thing, if you remember one could do that and have the double speed of a 56k with 2 phone lines) just for general discussion and linking to dark web/hidden internet (things not possible to find on search engines but that still exist on http). My views on tor are already that since it's an invention of the U.S. Navy then I don't trust it and when I tried to use it for longer than for the rare searches little less than 12 hour streaks of usage, iptables lists I use (some blocking whole countries that harbour a lot of unwanted hackers/scanners) and one particular pay-for list that is actually really good and doesnt block silly things...ipfilterX maybe you heard of it before, I hate that it became a pay service but I understand their reasoning behind doing that has shown me that wherever my real ip was leaking at node exits, well iptables would show me very very creepy things trying to connect to me so I never really use.

As for i2p and freenet, they'll have to change something in their whole concept of being to make my 20/10mbps connection worth having, any network over the internet like that is way too slow for any kind of file sharing. Thankfully Canada surprisingly hasn't gone fascist about it's internet, our politics are always about much more important things here, thankfully and the decision of the Supreme Court in 2005 making it legal for us canadians to share mp3's and that it didn't amount to theft (the whole anti p2p organisations have to abide to the whole thing that sharing isn't theft, it's a decision from the 60's for fuck's sake) so you can't be criminally prosecuted for it, so-called copyright infringement is a civil offense, not criminal, I have no problem just using soulseek for music, i like how its irc mixed with napster and getting an album requires searching and then 2 clicks, it's mostly underground music in there, one can find commercial music on there, or not commercial music that happens to be in major labels because the bands are sick of living like bums (which I understand) but many of them these days have just signed with Epitaph Records or Nuclear Blast these days since they have a lot of money but it's all clean money, I really like how such examples of indie labels having success and if they made money commercially it was totally by accident, like when in the early to middle 90's when the dangerous music was getting airplay on the major airwaves like I mentioned in my OP..it doesn't have much succerss this way again but all they money they basically stole from the system then makes it able for them to organize tours and live shows for their bands still to this day, which is how I think most bands should be payed, live performance is so important, I've heard bands that were good on cd but then when you heard them live they sounded like shit and you would know who are the real professional musicians or not...

But even then these days, ffs, i think it depends of the region, but i've been to Propagandhi's last tour shows in 3 places in Qc and everyone there was singing and shouting along dancing and stage diving their asses off and having fun and no disrespect to where you seem to come from ;p but i saw on youtube propagandhi playing to some live outside festival (outdoor festivals are different from club shows still, they do not attract people who necessarily are into the message in highly intelligent bands such as Propagandhi but that crowd in Halifax was a bunch of zombies standing there.....what a depressing view....things like security at punk shows, which thankfully even when lacking or just impersonated by a metal fence like at that festival I saw in halifax on youtube serves to seperate the crowd from the artists who ask for nothing else than full crowd participation.

My generation was not only lied to, we had the "oppurtunity" of seeing anything that was considered fringe to alternative in the 80's come to the forefront in the early to mid 90's and see all of these small subgenres that had very little clout into those intelligent but rebellious and sometimes mindless fun which isn't always a bad thing, when it's done in the correct doses, come in and highjack the scenes : Korn-metal in the 90's, generic ska punk with in the late 90's that attracted only the wrong people, which aren't inherently wrong themselves, but people who got into "punk" through ska-punk and not through any anger at the system who were still upper upper middle class coming in only for the punk points and all this bullshit hardcore in the 80's had managed to kill...jello biafra was right in 1986..."that's right the 70's are happening again", in the musical scenes and somehow I think this time it's worse than ever, people are all energy less, zombified, sometimes my tin foil hattery, which I try to keep as little possible in in its ability to influence me...all those zombie movies, it seems like the powers that be are almost done zombifying and dehumanizing our society and I insist that 911 was the message, I know how 911 happened, I do not discuss it anywhere because the ex soviet agent who worked in the areas of nuclear safety in US-USSR treaties who blatantly gave the truth on the internet 3-4 years ago....(funny story about this, when I managed to feast my eyes on anything related to that guys leaks I was hacked with something, or maybe it was the site itself that was hacked but i would have 2 very creepy low notes play very loudly on my headphones and then I made sure it wasn't anything other than the website I was on that caused it, and it seemed to cause it just by keeping a tab in any browser open on that site for it to hear it, and it was most likely a sequence of sound made to invoke paranoia/fear and I never considered following that guy further, I once did from somebody else's computer on another very secure connection, the noises were made but he was seeing a lot of his sources die around him and was on the run for who the fuck knows who (well i have an idea but I will never give out this info I have obtained).

Why ? I don't want to be singled out as dangerous, I just drone out in life and when I get my pharmacist degree in jan 2014, I will just enjoy the ride with the money i'm gonna make while I still can before whatever I think will happen before 2036-37. That year is very important, i'll let you find out why, but a clue, google's cookie, which my firefox add-on "Self Destructing Cookies" thankfully destroys but most people are stuck with it since the first time they use a fresh installation of whatever OS they use and turn on a browser and go to google.com, hell, even if they never go to google's site and use other search engines and sites, sometimes I will see my add-on tell me about how it destroyed a google.com cookie...what the fuck is that about? What do you think ? Prism of course. Canada isn't going authoritarian like the UK and australia even if we have a conservative party in power, they're already auto-destructing before our very eyes which is fun to see, but we are too close to the US for me to feel safe in any way, i'm already in the process of moving to norway or sweden soon after having worked for a year or 2 in pharmacy here and go to work at a university in either country as a research pharmacist, Norway and Sweden are very harsh drug-wise, but they don't really go after weed using people, they ban RC's and little known drugs that are banned since a long time in most of the world, but i dont care much about this anymore these days about that, I'm old enough now to find pleasure into other things, I learned the hard way :/ And I can always order things not banned in such countries...I'm just very sad Canada being a direct neighbour of the USA and also still under the remote control of the british crown, it is more in power people think, it's not a tourist thing much still, I have no idea if the USUKCANAUNZ treaty is still in effect but I know I don't want to live in what only 2 of these countries arent fully swallowed in (technocratic totalitarianism) and soon only New Zealand in this treaty will really seem to be acting on their own. If this whole alliance is about integrating a single politically correct view while dismissing the rest as communism, terrorism etc. I know I don't want to live in it, even if they somehow have a plan to one day have nuclear war with the rest of the world, but nuclear weapons are starting to lose power, literally, in warfare, since the advent of scalar weapons, that have the advantage of not being environmentally damaging like nukes, the US already has warships deployed near north korea and iran with such thing, I am not a specialist of weapons but the US even has some kind of fucking Lazer Cannon on a warship near iran....I don't know if such is part of the scalar weapons....but...it's just more indication that that famous phrase from 1984 : "We were always at war with easthasia" which seems to ring even more true since snowdon's revelation about the US viewing the EU as an enemy while having little such views regarding china and russia...makes one wonder...the EU is not perfect and the countries I consider moving to are either not part of it (Norway, which is unsurprisingly #1 on the UN's HDI since years having dethroned Canada and Iceland from that position in the world my .ca country held for so long when we were at the forefront of progressive politics, both domestic and worldwide... and Sweden which isn't part of NATO (if I'm correct), they are a Neutral country in any ways and are not going to go to war and bleed for the USA anytime soon...But the E.U. is a lot less corrupt than all of these other countries, only has nuke defense with France's limited 70 nukes or so, a lot of them are neutron nukes though, who knows what they will do with those out of self defense and decide to eradicate the population of the UK and get to keep all the infrastructure , well most of it, neutrons aren't squeaky clean as we once thought but still relatively clean.

I've said a lot more in this post that I've said in years about my political "views" which are just observation of the truth, scientific method applied to analyzing very non scientific "science" such as politics and the war industry (even if the latter uses a lot of science, but they use it as a means to their illogical ends). I also know pretty much who really did 911, and inb4 I am accused of being a J00z Did 9111onez !!! , it's a lot more complicated than that but it was definitely the work of a coalition of nation states, I will not reveal who, and no it is not china and russia.

Although Metallica's St-Anger was a shit try to return to form, they kinda did it with DM so I almost consider them pardoned for everything done in the 90's except a few song on the black album to st-anger in 2003 but the chorus of frantic, the only good song in there that isn't 8 mins long with repetitive verse chorus verse ad nauseum like the rest of the album, oh yeah, all within my hands would be great too had it been written with being true thrash metal in mind (had solos like kirk wanted for example) anyways, when james goes

"Do I have the strength
To know how I'll go?
Can I find it inside
To deal with what I shouldn't know?"

I think I know why James did what he did with the selling out and becoming a sex addicted alcoholic, he was in a position of knowing a lot more of the truth than most of us do, he had enough money to be able to know a lot just because he was james hetfield and had interests in the injustices perpetrated in the US and warfare which is shown by the very intelligent lyrics in and justice for all (the whole album). And he then went hedonist like I did not caring what happened to him because he couldn't deal with what he shouldn't know.


A lot of people I know feel like this deep inside, but are much too scared to even cogitate it away like I am doing right now. That's why I need benzos, it's the only drugs I admit I am powerless about, but will not fucking go to NA about, I need em not to do something stupid one day out of a panic attack where i'd pick a .22 and shoot myself in the neck...which is why my psychiatrist has no objection to script me benzos, it doesnt get me high or all mellow, it allows me to have a straight mind and be able to be pragmatic about the insane stress imposed upon us daily 24 hours a day.

 

[CoffeeDrinker]

Seems vague, pointless, and hard to read. This is the arts and entertainment section of bluelight. A quality persuasive essay would be more artistic and entertaining than this series of aimless rambles.

I hear ya on the angst though. FUCK THE MAN!!

 

[thujone]

Seems vague, pointless, and hard to read.

I feel like that's part of the point. This is how people wrote their manifestoes back in the BBS days, and a lot of the philez sent across the ancient telephone wires were profound in nature. There was a unified theory of social anarchism, where leaked technical manuals would go hand-in-hand with predictions of the future and musings on the present state of affairs. It became a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing to write in 1337 5p34k and make the message hard to get at so it would limit the audience to those who really care about the issues being discussed. This ties in to what the Canadian social theorist, Marshal McLuhan, said years prior to the advent of the internet: The medium is the message.

Our social intellect is so stunted now that the only mediums we can conceive of using to send a message is the social media sites, conveniently packaged for use by the forces of commercialism. There's Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Pinterest, Instagram... and I could go on. On one hand, it's great that we can publish our art and ideas so easily, but on the other hand it means there is a bunch of noise created by people who just dump all their shit on the internet who would not otherwise go through the hassle if they had to set up their own server and code their own HTML to get it done. Just look at all the bullshit on Youtube, people will post something dumb with a provocative title just to get a million views and pocket some ad money. If there were no Youtube, and we were forced to create and maintain our own infrastructure for sending out our message, then the barrier for entry would be higher and you wouldn't get the muppets taking over the internet.

It seems pretty clear to me what OBLIVION is saying here, that we should be looking at what the rebels of previous generation did to get their message out and change society. As late as the 80s, people were still actively engaged in enduring subcultures. Look at the mod scene in the UK, for example. In the U.S. there was the rave scene that was still pretty strong until the late 90s. But then it all fizzled out; disappeared. The subcultures of right now are just ephemeral blips compared to the strong spirit of the past. We're more connected now than ever before, but everyone seems to think only about money now and we're in the midst of a huge cultural abyss.

So yeah, bust out that shortwave, publish your own manifesto and slap that shit on every wall that says POST NO BILLS. It's easy to say fuck the man on the internet, time to rally some people and be saying that shit in front of town hall with bullhorns until enough people get it.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

It seems pretty clear to me what OBLIVION is saying here, that we should be looking at what the rebels of previous generation did to get their message out and change society. As late as the 80s, people were still actively engaged in enduring subcultures. Look at the mod scene in the UK, for example. In the U.S. there was the rave scene that was still pretty strong until the late 90s. But then it all fizzled out; disappeared. The subcultures of right now are just ephemeral blips compared to the strong spirit of the past. We're more connected now than ever before, but everyone seems to think only about money now and we're in the midst of a huge cultural abyss.

This, you feel/get me man. Everything went to shit from 911, which was it's intended effect, kill the grassroots cultures that are progressive and want out western societies to constantly re-examine itself and have creativity in finding our way out of a various web of problems. Even Bill Gates (well mostly his friends back in the early days of MS, like Bob Wallace, whom I had various exchanges with in the early 2000's on usenet alt.drugs.psychedelic, what a great man that person was) were all counter-culture hippies despised by the mainstream media, save with the 2000's god Steve Jobs and obviously Woz....programmers in the 80's like my uncle who was constantly on the BBS's favourite album was Bad Religion's No Control, a seemingly favourite of coders back in 1989 for some reason....now the "innovators" are all well entrenched in the upper class and upper middle class if they lucky, no longer can lower middle class people really get out of the mess they are in, there was recessions in the past, I remember when I was 10 or so, it was 1993 and there was a worldwide recession then too, but at the time we were promised the end to all wars since the cold war was over, democratization was spreading all over africa and asia and we were being told that the only menace to humankind was pollution then, but it was more centered about the need to recycle....but obviously recycling took off because there was a lot of money to be done with that and it would keep us from using too many resources and acid rain, remember that thing ? it hasn't disappeared and is not a problem of the past....and we sure might not be using much cfc's these days at all, but all the cfc that were used are still causing problems now, but we were told of so many innovative ways to deal with this....but none ever materialized, we were told that thunderstorms produce ozone and help replenish the ozone layer....which has some truth to it but we'd need thunderstorms everyday for 30 years (number I put out of my ass) to have it repair the ozone layer completely....and 10 years ago the kyoto protocol was adopted and most nations were willing to go ahead until Bush came in and said fuck Clinton and fuck the UN we're gonna give our oil guzzling SUV's and drill baby drill, many inventive ideas were broadcasted back then about how we could reflect the sun's rays to counter global warming, which, right now, anybody who denies it is completely retarded, and the more north someone lives, the more obvious it is happening, or if not warming, something is creating a very erratic climate, my part of Canada is experiencing so many bizarre things, let's just call it extreme weather, april will sometimes make it seem like spring is early but then may will be cold like november...

Of course I was ranting but it wasn't a retarded : fuck the man, mannggg, it's just me going over many facets of how our western civilization seems to have abdicated and just waiting for our impending doom.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I would like to add that if you are going the way my fellow here mentioned about posting ideas and manifestos on posts at bus terminals etc., use something to edit out the print code..that's right, printers since a long time have some invisible to the naked eye ID number that is unique to the printer you have they can only be seen using specific kind of lighting like for old school photography I think or scanning them and analyzing them using tools only LEOs have, sure it might be difficult to single out who has this or that printer, but if you're the kind of fool that always online registers their hardware products when they install the, might I say unnecessary software that comes with the printers for example, then your id will be singled out. Just an idea out there, but I was always lucky back then when I was very involved in the punk and metal scenes that I knew girls who had enough artistic skills to just write out that stuff on plain printer paper and other kinds of paper that didn't have to go through a printer.

Just a little trick I think anybody motivated to "take over from inside" anonymously by influencing the public mind with the positive messages you want out by being stealth about it, there's many others.