(25i-NBOMe/1500ug) First Time: Taste of Insanity

[StWd]

Background details:
Check out other reports by StWd in the vaults of erowid for more background information.
For this trip I acquired 2 1500ug tabs of 25i-nBome (2c-i-nbome) from a friend who had tried tabs from the same batch so could vouch for their safety. This friend did not however know whether they were complexed (which is why I held the tab in my mouth for so long, to be sure it had absorbed completely). 1500ug of this chemical is considered a strong dose and I personally would not recommend this to someone not experienced in some psychedelics or possibly dissociatives.
I had not done any extra physical preparations for tripping on this chemical leading up to taking it, I ate a small lunch a few hours before taking it and meditated for an hour or so before a friend arrived who also took a tab.
Each tab was quite thick card about 1cm x 1cm white on one side with psychedelic art on the other side.
This was my third time tripping and I would consider the last couple of hours a “bad trip”.

Setting:
In my flat with friend A for a few hours with friend B joining us a few hours into the trip. Friend A also took the chemical but friend B was just tripsitting and smoking weed. Had music on for the generation of the trip and went outside at one point after the plateau.

Outcomes/Experience:
I am writing this report a few weeks after this experience so I cannot go into as much detail as I would like- I also failed to make any notes during or shortly after this trip.
A and I took a tab each and held them in our mouths, against our gums, sometimes moving them around when necessary, for at least an hour. It was extremely difficult to resist swallowing spit and by the time we were ready to spit the tabs out or swallow them our mouths were full of saliva. I tried to swallow my tab and saliva and retched because I could suddenly taste how bitter and metalic the substance was. I purged in the toilet and A just spat out his tab. We were still sat listening to music for nearly another hour before feeling any effects.
Coming up took a long time and the initial effects were clear headedness and the kind of excitement bordering on euphoria that happens when coming up on most drugs. The main aspect of this trip was the visuals. Open eye visuals took over my whole field of vision but weren't too distorted in that objects were morphing and shifting, it was mostly patterns and flowing. Closed eye visuals were the deepest and most complex I had seen before, for me being mostly red and infinitely changing fractal patterns. The effects came in waves of intensity and music was extremely stimulating. At one point in the trip, friend B got in and sat with us before we peaked. The peak was extremely pleasant however the speed at which the waves of intensity came in was quite abrupt and unexpected meaning communication was near impossible. If I could compare this trip to my experiences with analogues of psilocyn then I would say those other trips felt more natural whereas this felt forced- even if enjoyable. The visual aspect was not too over bearing even though all encompassing- we felt able to go for a walk to the park which was very interesting and although I had some paranoia about people knowing I was tripping I managed to enjoy our walk with friend B guiding us. At the park the visuals on a grassy hill were beautiful and made the grass look more alive. Walking around was easy and the terraced houses didn't make the streets feel claustrophobic as I had felt on other trips.
As time went on, the intensity faded and after 7 or 8 hours we began to smoke some weed. After a joint I became very relaxed and enjoyed putting on some cartoons. After another joint though and another couple of hours I started to have a bad trip however this may have just been the comedown- it was hard to tell, really, the effects of the 2c-i-nbome should have subsided by this point. The bad trip consisted of me finding the simple story of what we were watching extremely hard to follow and some auditory hallucinations. At one point I heard my phone ringing and it was just a hallucination. I was getting very confused and paranoid that the mix of these chemicals had done some mental damage (although I'd read up on it and it shouldn't have). I was getting into worrying thought loops about whether this experience was going bad and whether I should tell A or B what I was thinking. Friend A went home after having both the 2c-i-nbome and some weed feeling great which made me think I shouldn't worry B because it was just me being paranoid. I decided after a while to just go to sleep and, thankfully, as soon I was in bed and had put some music on, the thoughts disappeared and I enjoyed the music more than usual.

After Effects:
I woke up the next day feeling great, with some enhanced tactile sensitivity. Music was still sounded extremely stimulating and I spent most of the day relaxing, listening to music and feeling my stubble. All of the negative aspects of the trip were gone and, unlike with my past trip experiences, I had absolutely no symptoms of HPPD (usually I would always see patterns on my carpet still, nowhere near as vividly as when tripping, but still there, like a shadow of a former visual).

Conclusion:
I enjoyed this trip which lasted considerably longer than trips I've had previously. If I was to take it again I would not smoke weed and go to sleep as soon as I start to feel the negative comedown effects.

 

[PurpleKush1]

Im gonna get hate for this but fuck NBOME, it shouldnt exist. Nastiest psych ever.

 

[StWd]

Im gonna get hate for this but fuck NBOME, it shouldnt exist. Nastiest psych ever.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I'll probably try it again, maybe some different NBOMes at some point

 

[Deinonychus]

Im gonna get hate for this but fuck NBOME, it shouldnt exist. Nastiest psych ever.

Well, I won't go that far, since it seems that there are plenty of folks out there who enjoy it, and who derive genuine insight from the NBOMe series, but I will say that for myself these compounds are utterly useless and not actually psychedelic on their own. Taking an NBOMe yields visuals, an extremely rain body-buzz, and perhaps some giddy or silliness, but nothing that could remotely be called psychedelic, as there is little to no alteration to my thought processes that I can detect. I dose upwards of 2mg for pretty much all of the compounds, and I only use them in simultaneous conjunction with something else, another compound that is in fact truly psychedelic, whether that be a tryptamine or a phenethylamine. I find that combining an NBOMe with another drug yields something greater than the sum of its parts, but on their own I find NBOMes to be as un-psychedelic as things like 5-MeO-DALT or 4-MeO-MiPT, possibly even less psychedelic than those compounds.

It's not right to just shit on them though as a blanket statement I feel. The effects of these compounds seem to be as variable from one person to another as the dose (I've seen people say they would go no higher than 500 or 600 micrograms and others who take up to 4 mg), so it seems that some people not only do in fact derive actual psychedelia from the NBOMes but furthermore find the state they induce to be a wonderful thing. Who are we to tell them they're wrong?

 

[PurpleKush1]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I'll probably try it again, maybe some different NBOMes at some point

Nah dont get me wrong, im not bashing your anything just stating my opinion. But i gotta ask, why dont you use shrooms,LSD,2c-x,2c-t-X, DMT and its derivates like 5-meo-dmt instead of the NBOMES ? From what we know there are hte only psychs that can genuinely kill you. From the reports i read its unplesant most of the time, if your lucky it can be a good trip but nothing insitful like LSD and company. More of a get fucked up substance, quite the opposite of what a psych experience should do no?

Well, I won't go that far, since it seems that there are plenty of folks out there who enjoy it, and who derive genuine insight from the NBOMe series, but I will say that for myself these compounds are utterly useless and not actually psychedelic on their own. Taking an NBOMe yields visuals, an extremely rain body-buzz, and perhaps some giddy or silliness, but nothing that could remotely be called psychedelic, as there is little to no alteration to my thought processes that I can detect. I dose upwards of 2mg for pretty much all of the compounds, and I only use them in simultaneous conjunction with something else, another compound that is in fact truly psychedelic, whether that be a tryptamine or a phenethylamine. I find that combining an NBOMe with another drug yields something greater than the sum of its parts, but on their own I find NBOMes to be as un-psychedelic as things like 5-MeO-DALT or 4-MeO-MiPT, possibly even less psychedelic than those compounds.

It's not right to just shit on them though as a blanket statement I feel. The effects of these compounds seem to be as variable from one person to another as the dose (I've seen people say they would go no higher than 500 or 600 micrograms and others who take up to 4 mg), so it seems that some people not only do in fact derive actual psychedelia from the NBOMes but furthermore find the state they induce to be a wonderful thing. Who are we to tell them they're wrong?

I didnt try to be a dick, i just state my opinion tbh. I think a psychedelci that can kill you shouldnt be used. Secondly liek you say it aint even a good psychedelic, lacks alot. Also we dont knwo shit about the long term effects. I would rather smoke PCP again or take HIgh dose DPH then touch NBOME.

 

[StWd]

Nah dont get me wrong, im not bashing your anything just stating my opinion. But i gotta ask, why dont you use shrooms,LSD,2c-x,2c-t-X, DMT and its derivates like 5-meo-dmt instead of the NBOMES ? From what we know there are hte only psychs that can genuinely kill you. From the reports i read its unplesant most of the time, if your lucky it can be a good trip but nothing insitful like LSD and company. More of a get fucked up substance, quite the opposite of what a psych experience should do no?

The main reason for taking NBOMe in this case is access- I got these tabs free from a friend. I'd love to try shroooms, LSD, 2C-x, DMT etc but I can't get hold of them whether it be because I'm not willing to use certain sources yet, get bitcoins (damn they're expensive) or simply because I'm new to this whole thing. I've only started taking drugs within the past year and NBOMes aren't the only experiences I've had. This was my 3rd ever psychedelic experience out of 4 up to now! Other things I've tried are 4-HO-MET which many consider to be similar to shrooms and some even say better, 4-HO-MiPT and 4-HO-DiPT.

I did read many trip reports on all substances previously btw so I understand the whole NBOMe worry however I still thought it was worth trying considering it was a very trusted source and the source had tried double the dose I took and was fine.

I do agree however though, as I said in the report, I see this as probably the "worst" trip I've had, however I don't think you can quantify experiences like these. I can just say it was enjoyable because of the setting (I always have a good set for tripping), maybe it would have been all the bad aspects if I'd have taken it alone... That's why more experimentation is required

I would rather smoke PCP again or take HIgh dose DPH then touch NBOME

I'd like to try PCP someday, is it worth it for the curiosity factor?

Also, NBOMe isn't THAT bad! You'd really rather be delirious off DPH than high off NBOMe?! Wow

 

[PurpleKush1]

The main reason for taking NBOMe in this case is access- I got these tabs free from a friend. I'd love to try shroooms, LSD, 2C-x, DMT etc but I can't get hold of them whether it be because I'm not willing to use certain sources yet, get bitcoins (damn they're expensive) or simply because I'm new to this whole thing. I've only started taking drugs within the past year and NBOMes aren't the only experiences I've had. This was my 3rd ever psychedelic experience out of 4 up to now! Other things I've tried are 4-HO-MET which many consider to be similar to shrooms and some even say better, 4-HO-MiPT and 4-HO-DiPT.

I did read many trip reports on all substances previously btw so I understand the whole NBOMe worry however I still thought it was worth trying considering it was a very trusted source and the source had tried double the dose I took and was fine.

I do agree however though, as I said in the report, I see this as probably the "worst" trip I've had, however I don't think you can quantify experiences like these. I can just say it was enjoyable because of the setting (I always have a good set for tripping), maybe it would have been all the bad aspects if I'd have taken it alone... That's why more experimentation is required



I'd like to try PCP someday, is it worth it for the curiosity factor?

Also, NBOMe isn't THAT bad! You'd really rather be delirious off DPH than high off NBOMe?! Wow

Ah ok i understand why you tokk it then if its an avaibility issue. But still 4-HO-X are way more harmless then NBOME,from the reports ive read alot more enjoyable too. Also the logic he tokk X mg so i can take half of that an be ok isnt valid with NBOME. People have had intense complications for .5mg. PCP i worth a try if you like dissociatives. Its really not as bad as people amke it too be (im a hypocrite here because of my opinion of NBOME ). If you expect going on a rampage et having superhuman strentgh your going to be disapointed. I was floored everytime for 3-4 hours, moving a finger was very difficult. Its quite like a darker and stronger ketamine IMO. I suggest you try the crystal form rather then smoking it, as smoking contains most impurities likes PCC. Also oral is a good experience, but its long so prepar for a ride. And yes lol as stupid as it sounds i know i prob will be ok after the DPH experience at least.

 

[Deinonychus]

I didnt try to be a dick, i just state my opinion tbh. I think a psychedelci that can kill you shouldnt be used. Secondly liek you say it aint even a good psychedelic, lacks alot. Also we dont knwo shit about the long term effects. I would rather smoke PCP again or take HIgh dose DPH then touch NBOME.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to call you out or imply that you're stupid or acted like a dick, if that's the implication you read into it then sorry about that, should have been more clear about what I was getting at.

Of course everybody's reactions to a compound will be different, but I think that the whole 'long-term effects' argument is a red herring that people trot out to look down on RCs or RC users. These compounds don't stay in the body very long, and they're not structurally similar to any sort of poison or toxin that would produce long-term damage. Generally speaking long term damage to the brain is pretty obvious because the symptoms of that damage are themselvess obvious. It's not like you take a compound and then slowly over many years you notice that more and more damage is gradually happening. Whatever damage is done by acute administration of a compound will be apparent as soon as the damage takes place. The only way you get long-term damage in the form of a slow decline of mental function or some other gradual process is through pervasive long-term exposure, such as working in a factory every day with a chemical that may not do much from a single exposure but over a long period of time will compound that damage. Since we're not dealing with long-term exposure (we don't dose the same psychedelic every day for weeks/months/years on end), any 'long-term effects' would have to be the result of irreparable damage occurring from acute exposure to a compound – from a single dose or a handful of doses over a short period of time in other words – and since the damage would be apparent upon its taking effect we would see such cases popping up. We don't, and we won't most likely. So any fear of 'long-term effects' relating to psychedelic research chemicals is overblown.

Ah ok i understand why you tokk it then if its an avaibility issue. But still 4-HO-X are way more harmless then NBOME,from the reports ive read alot more enjoyable too. Also the logic he tokk X mg so i can take half of that an be ok isnt valid with NBOME. People have had intense complications for .5mg.

Physically safer, maybe (as I believe these compounds are perfectly safe provided a few basic criteria are met), but I don't know about it being reliably more enjoyable. Tryptamines, even the relatively benign 4-subs like etocin and miprocin, are quite capable of producing the most extraordinary fear states. I would posit that not only are tryptamines more likely to produce the Fear than PEAs and NBOMes, they are furthermore capable of producing the most intense Fear of any group of psychedelics. It is my opinion that out of any class of psychedelics, NBOMes are actually the least likely to produce a fear state for the reasons I gave earlier in another post: their lack of truly psychedelic effects on the mind. It's hard to produce the Fear when you don't get any mindfuck in the first place.

Also I don't know if I buy the 500 microgram freakout / 'complications' concept. While I suppose that anything's possible as far as people having qualitatively 'bad' trips on any dose of any compound, I find it unlikely that such a modest dose would make somebody prone to having a bad trip. But while I concede that any compound at any active dose can in theory produce a 'bad trip', I dispute the idea that any physical harm or 'complications' that go beyond simply having an unpleasant time will be possible at the low dose of 500 micrograms, making an exception for a possible idiosyncratic allergic reaction. Do you have a source for that information / idea that you'd be willing to share?

PCP i worth a try if you like dissociatives. Its really not as bad as people amke it too be (im a hypocrite here because of my opinion of NBOME ). If you expect going on a rampage et having superhuman strentgh your going to be disapointed. I was floored everytime for 3-4 hours, moving a finger was very difficult. Its quite like a darker and stronger ketamine IMO. I suggest you try the crystal form rather then smoking it, as smoking contains most impurities likes PCC. Also oral is a good experience, but its long so prepar for a ride. And yes lol as stupid as it sounds i know i prob will be ok after the DPH experience at least.

I would say you're equally likely to be 'ok' after taking an NBOMe. Really these compounds are some of the safest and most benign things out there when the individual using them is educated (understands how potent they are and understands that the dose-response curve is very much nonlinear), properly measures their dose (liquid measure or ultra-precise scale / not just relying on whatever the vendor claims the package weighs), and knows the identity of the compound (ie not sold as acid). I also debate with myself whether or not add using the safest ROA – buccal in this case – to that list, but that's conditional because if the three criteria I just mentioned are met, then insufflation actually can be safely performed. But a failure to follow any of those three requirements will ensure that insufflation is definitely riskier than buccal or sublingual.

Understand, I'm not saying these compounds aren't potential dangers or trying to claim that they don't possess the very real threat of death or grievous physical or mental harm. The NBOMes surely can in fact be dangerous and surely can kill. But what I am indeed saying is that the danger that these compounds can pose does not need to be – and in the interests of freely distributing accurate information should not be – exaggerated or overblown as you seem to be doing. 500 micrograms will not produce serious 'complications', and these compounds are undoubtably safer for the body than diphenhydramine provided the user fulfills those three conditions I listed.

It's no less than irresponsible to try and hype the danger these things pose, because it obfuscates and diminishes the real risk factors in favor of imagined or overblown 'dangers'. We as a community need to be focusing on getting everybody who may use these compounds to fulfil those three qualifications – being educated, safely measuring doses, and not misrepresenting the identity of the compounds – and worrying about exaggerated, non-factual risks gets in the way of that mission. That mission can never be complete as there will always be somebody somewhere who is uneducated, is cavalier with dose measurement, or gets sold NBOMes as acid or what have you, but we need to make the effort nonetheless, not hype things up or be distracted by biased opinion-based risk assessment.

I stand by my statement that I'd those three requirements are met, these compounds are amongst the safest of psychedelic chemicals as far as the combination of mental and physical dangers go.

 

[PurpleKush1]

Yeah, I wasn't trying to call you out or imply that you're stupid or acted like a dick, if that's the implication you read into it then sorry about that, should have been more clear about what I was getting at.

Of course everybody's reactions to a compound will be different, but I think that the whole 'long-term effects' argument is a red herring that people trot out to look down on RCs or RC users. These compounds don't stay in the body very long, and they're not structurally similar to any sort of poison or toxin that would produce long-term damage. Generally speaking long term damage to the brain is pretty obvious because the symptoms of that damage are themselvess obvious. It's not like you take a compound and then slowly over many years you notice that more and more damage is gradually happening. Whatever damage is done by acute administration of a compound will be apparent as soon as the damage takes place. The only way you get long-term damage in the form of a slow decline of mental function or some other gradual process is through pervasive long-term exposure, such as working in a factory every day with a chemical that may not do much from a single exposure but over a long period of time will compound that damage. Since we're not dealing with long-term exposure (we don't dose the same psychedelic every day for weeks/months/years on end), any 'long-term effects' would have to be the result of irreparable damage occurring from acute exposure to a compound – from a single dose or a handful of doses over a short period of time in other words – and since the damage would be apparent upon its taking effect we would see such cases popping up. We don't, and we won't most likely. So any fear of 'long-term effects' relating to psychedelic research chemicals is overblown.



Physically safer, maybe (as I believe these compounds are perfectly safe provided a few basic criteria are met), but I don't know about it being reliably more enjoyable. Tryptamines, even the relatively benign 4-subs like etocin and miprocin, are quite capable of producing the most extraordinary fear states. I would posit that not only are tryptamines more likely to produce the Fear than PEAs and NBOMes, they are furthermore capable of producing the most intense Fear of any group of psychedelics. It is my opinion that out of any class of psychedelics, NBOMes are actually the least likely to produce a fear state for the reasons I gave earlier in another post: their lack of truly psychedelic effects on the mind. It's hard to produce the Fear when you don't get any mindfuck in the first place.

Also I don't know if I buy the 500 microgram freakout / 'complications' concept. While I suppose that anything's possible as far as people having qualitatively 'bad' trips on any dose of any compound, I find it unlikely that such a modest dose would make somebody prone to having a bad trip. But while I concede that any compound at any active dose can in theory produce a 'bad trip', I dispute the idea that any physical harm or 'complications' that go beyond simply having an unpleasant time will be possible at the low dose of 500 micrograms, making an exception for a possible idiosyncratic allergic reaction. Do you have a source for that information / idea that you'd be willing to share?



I would say you're equally likely to be 'ok' after taking an NBOMe. Really these compounds are some of the safest and most benign things out there when the individual using them is educated (understands how potent they are and understands that the dose-response curve is very much nonlinear), properly measures their dose (liquid measure or ultra-precise scale / not just relying on whatever the vendor claims the package weighs), and knows the identity of the compound (ie not sold as acid). I also debate with myself whether or not add using the safest ROA – buccal in this case – to that list, but that's conditional because if the three criteria I just mentioned are met, then insufflation actually can be safely performed. But a failure to follow any of those three requirements will ensure that insufflation is definitely riskier than buccal or sublingual.

Understand, I'm not saying these compounds aren't potential dangers or trying to claim that they don't possess the very real threat of death or grievous physical or mental harm. The NBOMes surely can in fact be dangerous and surely can kill. But what I am indeed saying is that the danger that these compounds can pose does not need to be – and in the interests of freely distributing accurate information should not be – exaggerated or overblown as you seem to be doing. 500 micrograms will not produce serious 'complications', and these compounds are undoubtably safer for the body than diphenhydramine provided the user fulfills those three conditions I listed.

It's no less than irresponsible to try and hype the danger these things pose, because it obfuscates and diminishes the real risk factors in favor of imagined or overblown 'dangers'. We as a community need to be focusing on getting everybody who may use these compounds to fulfil those three qualifications – being educated, safely measuring doses, and not misrepresenting the identity of the compounds – and worrying about exaggerated, non-factual risks gets in the way of that mission. That mission can never be complete as there will always be somebody somewhere who is uneducated, is cavalier with dose measurement, or gets sold NBOMes as acid or what have you, but we need to make the effort nonetheless, not hype things up or be distracted by biased opinion-based risk assessment.

I stand by my statement that I'd those three requirements are met, these compounds are amongst the safest of psychedelic chemicals as far as the combination of mental and physical dangers go.

What i mean by long term effects is that we knwo really jack shit about it in the long term. Unlike classic psychedelics,even 2c-x'S. About the 500 mics i do, it was in trip reports here if not mistaken, guy was taken to the hospital because he was completly out of his mind for 500 mics. People have died from 1 mg too if im not mistaken. Myp oint is at least lsd and shrooms cant kill you. I honestly hate NBOMES because first like you say they suck for psychedelics, to add to the shit list they can actually kill you and pose sever complications. WHy not take something that isnt dangerous and will make you have a way more intersting trip. I agrre with soem of your points, but i totally disagree that they are the safest as far as the combination of mental and physical dangers go. A psych isnt supposed to be lethal imo. And ofc if more people were thiking like you, by that i mean being prepared and take normal doses, they would be safer. But nowadays alot of the mentality is I wanna get trippy imma eat a whole strip ande then why did i feel bad lol. But nonethelless i feel like NBOME are usuless and dangerous compounds. And unpredictable.

 

[StWd]

About the 500 mics i do, it was in trip reports here if not mistaken, guy was taken to the hospital because he was completly out of his mind for 500 mics

People have died from 1 mg too if im not mistaken.

First of all, if he went out of his mind after 500ug that means he couldn't handle his shit, it wasn't the chemical you both thought it was or possibly a larger amount or maybe there is an underlying condition that the chemicals brought out.

Second of all, source for people dying from 1mg? Not saying it didn't happen for certain but the only cases I've heard/read of (and I've read quite a lot) people dying after taking NBOMes were when they've snorted powder NBOMe or taken massive dosages.
I was completely fine from 1500ug sublingual, I was tripping balls yeah but it wasn't the hardest I've tripped and I've only tripped 4 times. I even went outside while tripping on this stuff and it was the first psychedelic one of my friends tried (1500ug 25i-NBOMe). The hardest (or whatever way you want to quantify it) I've tripped was the second time when I had ~20mg 4-HO-DiPT and 20mg 4-HO-MiPT and I couldn't be outside on that shit

 

[trogere]

The main reason for taking NBOMe in this case is access- I got these tabs free from a friend. I'd love to try shroooms, LSD, 2C-x, DMT etc but I can't get hold of them whether it be because I'm not willing to use certain sources yet, get bitcoins (damn they're expensive) or simply because I'm new to this whole thing. I've only started taking drugs within the past year and NBOMes aren't the only experiences I've had. This was my 3rd ever psychedelic experience out of 4 up to now! Other things I've tried are 4-HO-MET which many consider to be similar to shrooms and some even say better, 4-HO-MiPT and 4-HO-DiPT.

I did read many trip reports on all substances previously btw so I understand the whole NBOMe worry however I still thought it was worth trying considering it was a very trusted source and the source had tried double the dose I took and was fine.

I do agree however though, as I said in the report, I see this as probably the "worst" trip I've had, however I don't think you can quantify experiences like these. I can just say it was enjoyable because of the setting (I always have a good set for tripping), maybe it would have been all the bad aspects if I'd have taken it alone... That's why more experimentation is required



I'd like to try PCP someday, is it worth it for the curiosity factor?

Also, NBOMe isn't THAT bad! You'd really rather be delirious off DPH than high off NBOMe?! Wow

I'm wondering if the stuff is really legit on darknet

 

[weadazoid]

I do think personal health set and setting can play a big role in how this chemical effects people. There are plenty of documented cases where a group of people all take the same batch of MDMA and one person winds up in a bad place, they over hydrate or underhydrate and they wind up with that thing where there urethea closes off and they wind up with some kind of toxic shit from urine they just can't get rid of.

In the early Raver days Parents were going nuts cause the propaganda on E was E can kill your kid, it's more dangerous then crack and heroin ect ect ect......


I think if 25C is somehow mistaken as 25I 500 mics may be too much for one person to handle. I don't think this substance should be mixed with anything else, I think it is a standalone product.

I always felt like one should stay the hell away from alcohol on MDMA, I feel like the same is true for this compound. I think some of the problems people go throug are the result of people not really knowing how to weight this shit.

 

[PurpleKush1]

I do think personal health set and setting can play a big role in how this chemical effects people. There are plenty of documented cases where a group of people all take the same batch of MDMA and one person winds up in a bad place, they over hydrate or underhydrate and they wind up with that thing where there urethea closes off and they wind up with some kind of toxic shit from urine they just can't get rid of.

In the early Raver days Parents were going nuts cause the propaganda on E was E can kill your kid, it's more dangerous then crack and heroin ect ect ect......


I think if 25C is somehow mistaken as 25I 500 mics may be too much for one person to handle. I don't think this substance should be mixed with anything else, I think it is a standalone product.

I always felt like one should stay the hell away from alcohol on MDMA, I feel like the same is true for this compound. I think some of the problems people go throug are the result of people not really knowing how to weight this shit.

I kinda agree that mdma and alcohol can fuck up you up prettyu bad if one is not caregul,. mdma faster than alcohol though. Im guilty of both lol. Mdma fuck with your brain if you abuse it way faster, but you cant stay popiin E everyday for years. Alcohol doesnt fuck you up that bad in the beginiing but when you get addicted to it its way worse than md. Im drunk now and i hate alcohol, yet i still drink it because i have nothin else. fuck this

 

[foolsgold]

i've just necked one don't know why i do this to myself the just make me feel ill

 

[PurpleKush1]

i've just necked one don't know why i do this to myself the just make me feel ill

you mean liquor or NBOME?

 

[StWd]

I'm wondering if the stuff is really legit on darknet

UK here so it's really easy to get hold of the stuff. Not sure how easy it is in other countries but it's the easiest psychedelic to get hold of over here probably! It helps that it only became illegal very recently here (not even sure if it is illegal absolutely tbh)

 

[StWd]

I kinda agree that mdma and alcohol can fuck up you up prettyu bad if one is not caregul,. mdma faster than alcohol though. Im guilty of both lol. Mdma fuck with your brain if you abuse it way faster, but you cant stay popiin E everyday for years. Alcohol doesnt fuck you up that bad in the beginiing but when you get addicted to it its way worse than md. Im drunk now and i hate alcohol, yet i still drink it because i have nothin else. fuck this

Drinking alcohol while on MDMA reduces the length and intensity of your roll, combined with the fact that they both dehydrate you and fuck your liver, alcohol and MDMA is a shitty combo. Smoking is a slight MAOI which boosts the intensity yet greatly reduces the length of your roll and increases your tolerance but only slightly so is benign compared to alcohol but should still be avoided. The only certainly safe (or at least in terms of combination making negative effects worsen) things to combine with MDMA are psychedelics.

Personally, I think MDMA could work well with 25i-NBOMe because you don't get the psychedelic headspace/thinking yet MDMA gives you the lovey dovey feeling. I think combining these, the MDMA love and the NBOMe visuals could be fairly pleasant. Not saying it would be the best, but these chemicals, in the UK at least, are both easy to acquire

 

[PurpleKush1]

Drinking alcohol while on MDMA reduces the length and intensity of your roll, combined with the fact that they both dehydrate you and fuck your liver, alcohol and MDMA is a shitty combo. Smoking is a slight MAOI which boosts the intensity yet greatly reduces the length of your roll and increases your tolerance but only slightly so is benign compared to alcohol but should still be avoided. The only certainly safe (or at least in terms of combination making negative effects worsen) things to combine with MDMA are psychedelics.

Personally, I think MDMA could work well with 25i-NBOMe because you don't get the psychedelic headspace/thinking yet MDMA gives you the lovey dovey feeling. I think combining these, the MDMA love and the NBOMe visuals could be fairly pleasant. Not saying it would be the best, but these chemicals, in the UK at least, are both easy to acquire

Yea i agree being drunk and rolling is not that nice. I liked 4-5 coronas with my md when i did it though. Or a bottle of chmpagne. But liquor and md sucks. I ended up doing dumb shit, eventually blacking out and having a hangover from hell the next morning. I loved smoking cigs on mdma though, could go trough a couple of packs haha. Weed is good too,espec on the comedown. Psychs and mdma can def be great. Mdma + ketamine, Mdma+ 2c-b and Mdma + MDa were all great. Mdma + Pcp...well thats another story.

 

[weadazoid]

When I went to my first Rave I went with some really good freinds who told me E is to be respected, it is not like LSD where you can drink beer or liquor and not really be effected. If anything in an odd way MDMA made me a healthier person. They warned me never to mix it with anything but weed to start. And to not really trust anyone beyond the core group at first

My main point was I think when people look back on NBOMe's in general they will be viewed as being about as dangerous as MDMA. In the wrong hands in the wrong dose sure it could kill a person. Like I said we all have heard the stories of the girl who took 1 pill and wound up having a siezure, or collapsing, or getting that thing where they can't urinate. The big difference beteen the two right now IMO is price. I had money so dropping a G on a roll of 100 was nothing..... but my freinds kept me in check.... later on we got the crazy hook up, where our source would just fill up a plastic grocery bag with gelcaps he just made and say.


"countem .... should be between 900 and 1,200 caps in there.... I trust you guys just call me when you get your count." We would return with stacks of cash 7, to 9 g's everytime.. Meanwhile we would be popin them as we counted them sometimes LOL..... those were the DAYS!!!!! 1993 to 95 hard core business

But I digress.. NBOM'es go for less then a dollar a hit if you buy in gross.... even if you only want what 50mg you only spend around 40 bucks that is nuts.... fun and awsome but dangerous as hell in the wrong hands.

 

[Deinonychus]

What i mean by long term effects is that we knwo really jack shit about it in the long term...People have died from 1 mg too if im not mistaken...

That's my point though, sure, we don't have any data about long term effects with traditional PEAs or some of the TIHKaL set of tryptamines, or the NBOMes. But there is no plausible mechanism that I have ever heard about that would allow these drugs to initiate a process of slow decline in function of one or more of the body's systems. The drugs are out of the body within three days basically if you follow commonly accepted guidelines for 'full excretion' being six half-lives, and if damage were to be done it would logically be done when plasma concentrations (quantity of drug in the circulatory system) is highest, ie pretty much immediately upon the drug becoming active in the body.

If the drug is out of the body after three days, in order for there to be any effects, positive or negative, that exist beyond that period of time, one of two mechanisms must be at play. The first and most plausible would be that the drug does acute damage upon administration, with the damage being permanent and irreparable. Thus the reduced function that results from the damage would continue to be a factor long after the drug is out of the system, and potentially forever. I guess that could possibly be referred as 'long-term effects', but that is disingenuous, as the effects would take place immediately upon damage being done, while the *consequences* of that damage would be correctly identified as 'long-term'.

The other mechanism, the one that I believe you are referring to when you talk of 'long-term effects', is that somehow there would be negative consequences of administering a drug that would not be apparent immediately, but would rather become apparent or take place at a later date or over a long period of time despite the drug no longer being present in the body. And there just isn't any plausible mechanism for how a drug would somehow not do damage when it was in the body, yet damage would indeed occur later over a period of time.

The only mechanism that would allow damage to happen over a period of time instead of being immediately apparent would be if the drug did in fact do acute damage to the body immediately upon administration, but the damage would be very slight, so that a single administration wouldn't produce statistically significant effects. If the drug were then taken multiple times however, that damage would become cumulative, and over the course of many subsequent administrations the effect on the body would grow to a point where it did impair function.

The problem is that we would know about this kind of damage if it existed. Look at MDMA. It's neurotoxic properties have been well known for a decade or more, and this despite the government-sponsored studies that totally obfuscated and outright lied about the dangers (dosing monkeys with methamphetamine instead of MDMA, 'by accident'). Other drugs that do acute damage from a single administration (PMA and 4-chloroamphetamine) instead of over time (like MDMA) were very quickly identified as toxic.

Even NBOMes themselves support the idea that any harm from these drugs would quickly become apparent. Even though they have only been on the open market in a major way for a few years we already know about their potential to cause harm if overdoses are administered. Not only that, reports about these risks began to pop up pretty much immediately upon their release on the market. The first such warning I saw was back in 2010, when very few people had actually taken the NBOMes.

So unless you're willing to postulate a mechanism whereby psychedelic RCs initiate a process of slow decline I will continue to treat the idea of 'long-term effects' as a red herring.

Also as StWd said, I would ask for a citation on the '1mg can kill' statement.

EDIT: Furthermore, not only is there no plausible mechanism for psychedelic RCs initiating a process of slow decline, people have been using mescaline and psilocybin/psilocin for thousands of years, and LSD and the DOX series for many decades. That means that while there may not be scientific studies on the effects of some of the psychedelic RCs, like the 2C series, there *has* been long-term use and in some cases even scientific studies upon the effects of close structural analogues of the compounds in question. The mechanism upon which psychedelic action depends, that being 5-HT2A agonism, is the same for pretty much all non-dissociative psychedelics, and the action and the action of their metabolites in the body is going to be very similar to the corresponding actual and metabolic effects of the lesser-researched chemicals' more-studied cousins.