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RCs 4,4-Dimethylaminorex (4,5-dihydro-4-methyl-5-(4-methylphenyl)-2-Oxazolamine)

>the people who died probably took a redicolous amount and/or mixed with other drugs at stupid doses
>who even knows if it was infact the exact chem they were selling.
both of these wouldn't really be surprising
unfortunately
 
I see a lot of (justifiable) concern here regarding the cardiotoxicity of aminorex. I'm no cardiologist but it seems to me, based on what I have read of 4-MAR clinical trials and recreational case reports, that very limited use is not of great concern.

I wouldn't expect it to be as acutely dangerous as cocaine for example. Obviously prolonged use is going to be more problematic. Like fen-fen, you probably won't have an immediate heart attack at a reasonable dose without other meds or drugs in your system, but you might be looking at serious trouble in the years ahead.

All that being said, there's no telling what difference that methyl sub is making, so I would certainly tread cautiously and not get into a habit.
 
Here's my "trip" report and my 2 cents:

I snorted 30 mg of NMR-confirmed 4-DMAR at 21:00. Not too much of a rush but a very comfortable onset, very talkative after a few minutes. Very nice stimulation, some serotoninergic feeling, also some of the typical side effects (like feeling hot, a little eye-wiggling). All in all it reminded me of 3-MMC but more smooth and about 4 times as potent. Combined well with weed. Though it felt quite good already, I decided to try a higher amount, so I redosed with ~20 mg. The change wasn't too drastic but all the above described effects intensified. All in all, I took about 90-100 mg withing 4 h without any serious side effects.
Later, I started taking ketamine and found it to be a very good thing to add since it removed any uneasiness and made the body feet better.
However, 4-DMAR seems to be incredibly long acting, at least in its stimulant effects. Couldn't really sleep even with 2x1 mg of etizolam and quite a lot of weed.

I liked the experience quite a lot. It didn't feel too toxic or dangerous, on the contrary. However, the long duration might be a problem if used irresponsibly.
I wouldn't do it too often because there are good reasons to assume it has quite some long-term toxicity.
 
So this is more like APB then it is 4-MAR? Thats a shame, whilst I did enjoy 6 APB I much prefer amphet/methamphet
 
I dunno where people are getting the 6-APB comparison from. To me, the described effects sound like some very clean d-amphetamine. I haven't seen anyone really compare it to MDA, which would be the reference point for 6-APB.
 
You would think it would provide clean smooth stimulation which 4mar apparently provides. I would like to try this chemical. I enjoy functional stimulants.

Does it have a crash?
 
^don't be sad, it is probably saving many idiotic drug users from dying from whatever this "serotoni" actually is. Let it go, its for the best I think.
 
It wasn't what it purported to be(well, at least mine wasn't). 2-Methylamino-1-tolylpropan-1-one (mephedrone). And it was shit
 
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Yes I'll wager it was something else. A 4-MAR analogue and everyone else saying it felt like an APB. Curious...
 
JJ-180: Interesting (and too bad you got a dud... or maybe it wasn't all that bad considering that we still lack a lot of information on 4,4'DMAR) Did someone who got some from the same source as you check GC/MS or NMR?
 
t6apb said:
it didnt feel dangerous or anything in the slightest, if anything it felt safe as fuck. the people who died probably took a redicolous amount and/or mixed with other drugs at stupid doses. who even knows if it was infact the exact chem they were selling.
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Anybody knowing more details?

I have had two sample dark-red/brown, hexagenic (if I remember correctly) serotoni pills from an UK vendor, and would rather agree to that report ... felt no way dangerous in the range I've tried it (up to maybe 1 1/3 pill, but know that I'm quite tolerant to serotonergic compounds). Indeed, I liked it very much. Must be what very good MDMA is about, for one of the kids being too late (or too off connections) to know the original. Did not even realize that the drug kicked in for many hours, just felt so right, social and easy as never before ... no jitteryness at all, but at least the same energy that classical stimulants are able to bring. Also have to say that I'm somewhat sensible when it comes to psychical side effects, can't stand regular methylphenidate any more or even low dosage DXM, but with that serotoni I felt fine (what of course means nothing at all while not medically observed, but still...)

Long duration, 12h+. Lethargic, but not that painful rebound.

But easy to imagine that it's toxic to the more vulnerable or in overdosage.

Still sad. 4-MMC was way more dirty imo. Less energy depleting, but much more disturbing, out-of-this-world side & after effects. Would love to do some more research.
 
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Some say there is a very noticeable difference between the UK sources and other European sources. The UK ones having a shorter acting and supposedly not so serotgenic profile. Can anyone confirm, or support that there are to seemingly different things sold out there as serotoni?
 
What are these people claiming to sell then? Is it "Serotoni", or 4,4-dmar? And I think that anything with good reviews is going to be counterfeited, with yet more random Cathinones (4-MEC and 3,4-dmmc, at a guess) I'm only saying this because I bought some so-called -duh, Serotoni Powder and it was utter rubbish. I found some Asian pills down an alleyway they have 20mg Dextromethorphan, 25mg di-Methylephedrine HCL and 20mg Noscapine. I think I might try those.
 
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What are these people claiming to sell then? Is it "Serotoni", or 4,4-dmar? And I think that anything with good reviews is going to be counterfeited, with yet more random Cathinones (4-MEC and 3,4-dmmc, at a guess) I'm only saying this because I bought some so-called -duh, Serotoni Powder and it was utter rubbish. I found some Asian pills down an alleyway they have 20mg Dextromethorphan, 25mg di-Methylephedrine HCL and 20mg Noscapine. I think I might try those.
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O/T but I love your username. Just finished reading "Now Wait For Last Year" :{D
 
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