You've got to ask yourself one question, "do I like dreaming?"... Well, do ya, punk?

[StoneHappyMonday]

Intersting.
Have you read " Aghora" by Robert Svoboda

Awesome stuff about Astral worlds and dreams , especially in book #1

No sorry haven't read it. I avoid dreams books like I avoid horoscope shite. If you tell me it's about consciousness I might listen.

Regarding the cannabis withdrawal dreams. AFAIK this is a universal truth. Though I'm sure some cunt from Nebraska will pop in to say it didn't happen to him. I know of many people who all tell the same tale. Heavenly seems almost inadequate a word to use. In the same way 'vivid nightmare' seems not strong enough to describe the first seven days.

Mine were after 30, yes 30, years of daily cannabis use. I'd also add that this was the only withdrawal symptom I suffered and on the whole it was a doddle, cannabis is not addictive. But I know people who have had the same experiences on, shall we say, much less than thirty years daily use. It happened when I went to S America for three months and made a conscious choice to have a break rather than crave it. I never craved once.

Took coke instead.

 

[The Liberal Media]

No sorry haven't read it. I avoid dreams books like I avoid horoscope shite. If you tell me it's about consciousness I might listen.

Not a dream book as such, just has a chapter on them.

One of many chapters
THE Chapters on dreams and sex are something you have to read to believe

http://www.scribd.com/doc/69623051/Aghora-I-at-the-Left-Hand-of-God-Robert-Svoboda

Its there
I can safely say its the ONE book that changed my life, yes just as much as thumprints of acid

Enjoy

 

[dan88]

No.

The best dreams come (after the nightmares) 7-14 days after stopping smoking cannabis for the first time in x years. Forgive the religious simile but that's the closest I've come to heaven. In any type of consciousness.

I quit smoking weed 2 weeks tomorrow, and have been getting really vivid dreams. Must just be me but I just don't like it at all! Feel like I've barely slept!

 

[Uncle Robert]

Not all this pseudo dream interpretation charlatan rubbish.

I don't care much for that stuff either but having a dream will always be more interesting than not having one.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I don't care much for that stuff either but having a dream will always be more interesting than not having one.

Unless you're Dan 88 from Nebraska.

Just kidding Dan. Maybe vivid, like LSD, is not for everyone. Or maybe you just have a few days to wait. How long you smoke for?

 

[Uncle Robert]

Hehe probably should have timed that post a little better

 

[Mailmonkey]

No.

The best dreams come (after the nightmares) 7-14 days after stopping smoking cannabis for the first time in x years. Forgive the religious simile but that's the closest I've come to heaven. In any type of consciousness.

This, but I've never got past the nightmare stage to see if the good dreams come later. Think I did about 7 days once, about 10 years ago, and it just seemed to be getting more intense and vivid every night.

So I skinned up.

I quit smoking weed 2 weeks tomorrow, and have been getting really vivid dreams. Must just be me but I just don't like it at all! Feel like I've barely slept!

That's exactly it, it seems even more tiring than being awake, mental mental anxiety dreams...supervivid.

 

[swampdragon]

I love dreaming.. I get crazy dreams from cheese and/or weed. Plus the cool trippy hypnagogic stuff just before I fall asleep.

There's also the herb Calea that's meant to be good for dreaming, but I've not yet played with that.

 

[Shippy420]

I quit smoking weed 2 weeks tomorrow, and have been getting really vivid dreams. Must just be me but I just don't like it at all! Feel like I've barely slept!

This is one of the main reasons I wanna entirely stomp out my daily weed smoking habit - to get my dreams back. It's quality when I have a couple of days off smoking and have batshit dreams. I've always been a dreamer, and I can go lucid fairly frequently which is awesome, but when I've smoked before bed I hardly get any dreams at all. I hear its cos weed messes with your REM sleep which is when dreams mostly occur so when people have been toking dreams don't occur as frequently. It's strange that you say that you say you feel like you've barely slept - I find that I feel waaaaay more rested after a night of sleep when I've not been toking (again, this relates back to more REM sleep with not smoking), although admittedly falling asleep in the first place is waaaay harder.

An easy way to get batshit dreams with very little effort is by waking up a couple of hours earlier than usual and fuck about for a few minutes, preferably for longer than half an hour, and then go back to bed. Works with nearly everyone I know, even those who dream infrequently. I find I can make myself go lucid far easier when I do this.

 

[dan88]

Unless you're Dan 88 from Nebraska.

Just kidding Dan. Maybe vivid, like LSD, is not for everyone. Or maybe you just have a few days to wait. How long you smoke for?

For about 6-7 years, with a 2 month break in between once, and the odd day before payday when I've run out and am skint! Now I'm not craving a spliff I'm tempted to buy some, and just try and keep it once a week or so... Experience tells me it wouldn't happen though. I just wanna be able to smoke without wanting a joint every day.

That's exactly it, it seems even more tiring than being awake, mental mental anxiety dreams...supervivid.

Yup! Plus you have about 3-4 separate dreams and can remember them all

Edit: yup shippy, I know rem sleep is the deepest, but I just feel totally knackered. At least I can sleep now, those sleepless nights the first week after quitting are the worse unless you've got something to knock you out

 

[Raasyvibe]

I thinks the vivid dreams occur in the latter part of your sleep. (There's a psychological term for this section of sleep, but I've long forgotten my psychology classes)

So basically, if you want dreams, lie in. Get a good 8-12 hours sleep. That's when the biggest ones are produced (IME, anyway)

 

[The Liberal Media]

I thinks the vivid dreams occur in the latter part of your sleep. (

If you mean the "Bardo" whereby you conciousness transforms in and out of a state then yes i Totally agree

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo

 

[Raasyvibe]

...er....no? Bardo is a Bhuddist concept between death and rebirth...

The psychological term I was digging for is "REM sleep"

Main article: Rapid eye movement sleep

Rapid eye movement sleep, or REM sleep (also known as paradoxical sleep),[18] accounts for 20–25% of total sleep time in most human adults. The criteria for REM sleep include rapid eye movements as well as a rapid low-voltage EEG. During REM sleep, EEG patterns returns to higher frequency saw-tooth waves. Most memorable dreaming occurs in this stage. At least in mammals, a descending muscular atonia is seen. Such paralysis may be necessary to protect organisms from self-damage through physically acting out scenes from the often-vivid dreams that occur during this stage.

 

[knock]

i remember my dreams about once a month. Booze ruins it completely, I've cut down massively in the last month (thanks gbl) but still waiting for most of the memories to survive the waking process. Certainly noticed a slight improvement though. My best dreams have taken place during sleepsex, but I'll write about that another time

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

One other common phenomenon I find interesting. Those times you wake up and think the dream was real, actually happened. This may last seconds, minutes or most of the day. I find it interesting because we are somehow (even if wrongly) deciding to believe information from a data pool we commonly know to be bullshit/fairy land (the land of dreams).

It's good to be in control isn't it?

 

[Marmalade]

At what dose?
Many people take way too much.

With a pill splitter 100mg is enough.

What the fucking fuck!. I just checked 5 times to make sure we havent got our mg, ug wires crossed or summat.

I take 6mg (2 x 3mg) nightly. I try to not take em every night tho, but probably 5/7 days a week. I've trialed about 10 different pill options over the last 2 years or so ... from 1.5mg to 10mg in various formats ... powdered in capsules, sublingual melty ones and pills. I prefer the powdered 3mg to the pill format, seems to work better for me. A kind monkey from here sent me some 3mg capsuled ones, out of date by a couple of years and theyre one of the best I've taken (thankyou Monkey ) ... best dreams ever too.

TLG, did you REALLY take almost 100 x more than I take? I didn't know they did pills like that. I think we might have our wires crossed on dosage or summat. No wonder it wasnt pleasant if it was the case tho.
lawdy, nevermind, I just realised you meant 5htp 8)

Re: 5htp: I've got 100mg ones. I take one normally, occasionally 2. 2 usually gives me a wave of sickness feeling similar to the onset when taking MDMA. After that no further problems. I did however bomb 100mg of MD about 4 nights ago, and felt absolutely zilch 'cept for a 30 minute case of major yawns, and then just mainly restlessness for about an hour. Obv I'll leave orf the 5htp in the future for a coupla weeks if I'm gonna do any MD (I rarely do any drugs nowadays anyway, so it's not a problem)

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Dream from this morning:
And since I'm here, just quickly while it's still in my head a bit, my dream from when I woke up at about 4:30am for middle of the night wees:

In my dream I remember recalling and mulling over a new theory/method about how to explain evolution to a male friend I haven't really seen since primary school. The theory could be shown by buying a loaf of bread (I think!) and using the brown cardboard from within it to fold it into a triangle and following the central line of it ... by doing that you could see the patterns of swathes/hordes of animals and people and the direction they took since time began. When looking at this little cardboard thing, you could choose to take the path across the landscape of the shape or the portrait (at a certain point) but, each came with problems. It was also visible what happens when a certain species leaves or takes a divergent point along the way, therefore you could plan the exact best route to take by looking at this whole mapping thing from afar

At one point while explaining this theory to this person, I can recall being in first person perspective, within the herds of people and animals on the ground ... all moving fast in one direction, but feeling the fear of mingling between all the different types there, and being concerned and looking out for a vicious kind of dog type creature herding in packs in front and behind ...

Cutting back to demonstrating this theory to the person tho, it was very clear to me which was the best option to choose, because you could see clearly time elements at certain point on the cardboard and where key things had happened, but this was not obvious to a lot of people.

While I was in an outdoor supermarket kind of thing, buying the bread I needed (that had the cardboard or free thing inside that demonstrated this evolutionary theory thing) I remember having to hide down the isle and was kinda on the run from a dangerous dog someone was trying to put on a lead and I kept having to avoid him and jump over it when it came in my direction because it was doing its own thing and not really controllable, but avoidable if you had your wits about you. The outdoor supermarket drifted from being just that, to something with a completely different function, like an outdoor cinema in the woods or something.

Regarding the function of dreaming. Keeping the whole Freud/Jung theories of what they possibly mean aside for a mo, I read an article a couple of weeks ago about why it's healthy to keep a steady sleep pattern, and it mentioned that dreaming occurs when your short term memories are being commited to long term ... REM is the stage you remember your dreams from and it's the bit/time when your recent memories are travelling your synspases into the place where your old memories are stored, hence why old and new memories are frequently mixed and often morphed during a dream, and functions blend to not make sense but feel familiar regardless of their oddness or weirdness. I can't find the article I was reading but it was one about the importance of getting a good sleep pattern nailed down. Similar info to the quote below, but it was a bit more scientific:

During the day, many of the things we learn are stored in a structure called the hippocampus. Then, while we are in SWS the hippocampus is busy showing movies to our frontal cortex. What's odd about these movies is that they are very compressed packets of information; events are transpiring at over ten times normal speed in these packets. During SWS, our dreams are often more static, involve older memories or are quite emotionally charged. If you've ever dreamed of being buried alive, or of having a beast sitting on your chest, you were likely in SWS at the time. For most people, nightmares, bedwetting, sleep-walking and night terrors occur during SWS.

Then, as we transition into REM our hippocampus is shut down to allow our frontal cortex to process the newly deposited information. Surprisingly, the presentation of events to be processed occurs in almost real time. We experience this processing during REM as a narrative dream that feels "real." What's happening in the cortex? For one, REM sleep facilitates the use of prior information for creative problem solving, thus our cortex is busy filtering out the useless memories in favor of useful ones. Often, stronger emotional content helps to consolidate long-lasting memories.

Overall, recent studies suggest that we require a balance of both phases of sleep, SWS and REM, in order to consolidate memories for future use. Thus, it is not the quantity of sleep that is important; rather, the quality of sleep is more important for making new memories. Unfortunately, lots of things interfere with the quality of a night's sleep.

 

[parttime crackhead]

The believing your dream was real thing happens to me most times that I dream (or remember my dream), which isn't very often tbh because weed kills dreams. I'll normally have done something out of order, but plausible, to some mad bastard & wake up thinking "Shit! I shouldn't have done that, he's gonna fucking kill me" then about 10 minutes later realise that I'd just imagined it.

 

[brimz]

Smoked puff everyday from the age of 12 to 22 . I forgot what a dream was . Unfortunately i had got myself a Heroin habit by then & that produced more vivid nightmares than dreams .

Imagine that you haven't had a dream for 10 years & then your getting crazy nightmares . I ain't even going to go in2 the premature Ejeculation caused by Heroin withdraw . G/F at the time loved that

You see when you have gear you can't but when your clucking it's well different .

 

[Mailmonkey]

Has anyone else watched Waking Life?

Brilliant film abouut the dream world.

 

[parttime crackhead]

I have, didn't really like it though. I think I was on something at the time. Probably ketamine. Sometimes ket adds to these kind of odd, surreal movies & other times it just makes them completely impossible to follow.

This has reminded me. I have ketamine %). That's getting hoofed with a good movie at some point this weekend.