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Testosterone for Low-T

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AK-MJM

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Hello, and sorry this is a repost ... I did in fact post this in the wrong place and sorry for that.... so where does it go ? please help

I've spent some time looking into getting testosterone from my DR. and he would not do it, so he referred me to an Endocrinologist DR, next week is my appointment. What I would like to know from people in here is if any of you have or are still taking Testosterone from a DR for low-T. I would like to know if it is helping you, and if you have any side effects and so on. I would like to know what's working the best out there so I can ask the DR for it. All I know is want the inject-able type and a few names and one that my brother is taking and seems to like it, but I need outside thoughts.

Little about me, Retired military, 40 years old, and everything that would suggest low-T I am dealing with. Why did my normal Dr. not prescribe the testosterone? He did not feel I was that low, I was on the High low, and he said it could give me a stroke. I argued with him that I had most likely a higher Testosterone count, so my normal would be in the high range. I feel that a lot of factors go into what is normal for each one of us and testing 2000 men and finding an average to me is not 100%.

I'm willing to take that risk I told him, and the fact that the other medications this same DR. is prescribing has just about if not more of a risk, leads me to believe that still today some Doctors still cant get ride of that label that comes with Testosterone when it is brought up. Testosterone can be a good thing if monitored, it just has this label that just wont go away.

So here are some numbers from my LAB results... does anyone know anything about these numbers? I know my Testosterone is high as far as they rate it. I'm betting this DR will not give me Testosterone now, any thoughts?

TESTOSTERONE . . . . 643
ALBUMIN . . . . . . . . . 4.7
SEX HOR BND . . . . . 41
TESTOS FREE . . . . . . 74.2
TESTOS F/W BND. . . 159.1


Thanks,
Michael J
 
I'll bring the post to the moderators attention and get it moved for you. Apologies for the inconvenience.
 
I'm assuming the lab results are in ng/dl for test.
You got 643, that isn't low at all. Your issues aren't from low t.
Do you mind explaining what made you think you have low t ?
 
For someone 40 years old, your testosterone is ABOVE AVERAGE. You do NOT have hypogonadism. No Doc will script test until you get into the 250ish range, with an above average test count you're not even remotely close to being a candidate for TRT. There are plenty of healthy 25 year old men out there that don't have a 650 TT. You're lucky to be where you're at.
 
As stated above- for a 40 year old dude, you testosterone levels are sweet as.

I have a bit of experience with T...not personal experience, but I know a lot of transgender folk and really- taking T is no fucking honeymoon. I mean, first things first- as far as I understand it, testosterone is only given as a IM injection...the docs are not going to prescribe vials of shit for you to IM unless it is absolutely unavoidable. IN addition, having to give yourself a massive (sometime as much as 5ml) IM shots in the ass or thigh every two weeks fucking sucks. They are painful as shit, testosterone is a oil so it burns a great deal and it's fairly common to walk with a limp for up to a week if you fuck it up (and you'll fuck up about 25% of shots- they're big shots, it's easy as hell- the only way to get around it is to fine someone to inject you in the ass cheek).

Then there's the effects. I never understood how powerful testosterone was until I first witnessed someone start a female->male gender-realignment course. Will it make you look, feel and behave it a way that is stereotypically masculine? Totally...but not how you think. First thing to realise is it's a 2-week cycle, not a consistent thing- from the outside it's much more like a twice-monthly period. After the shot your T levels spike to ungodly levels- for about 4 days he'd behave like a teenage boy...you can dare him to do ANYTHING, he does heaps of impulsive, dumb shit, his sex drive goes ballistic and lifts heaps of weights. Then for about 7 days he's pretty stable, this is what we consider to be his 'normal' personality. Then the last 3 days before his next shot are PMS-like episodes of extreme emotionality & insecurity- he cries, flies into rages, is typically deeply depressed and drinks a lot. Then the cycle starts all over again.

The thing you have to understand is any hormone replacement therapy is not at all 'natural'. In addition to resulting in regular massive spikes in your hormone levels your body reacts to this unnatural state of affairs- typically by producing other hormones as your body attempts to 'balance' your T shots. If you start taking testosterone your estrogen production will go through the fucking roof- the days before your T shot will be marked by extreme, PMS-like emotionality. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that probably won't agree with your personality.

If this shit is really concerning you (as it happens) an ex-army buddy of mine- he's a little younger than you, 32- is very much into the 'testosterone promoting diet'...I have no idea what it involves, but he's a big fan. That sort of thing is probably more what you're looking for that embarking on a life of T-shots. What is it with you ex-army dudes and obsessing about your testosterone levels? Your testicles aren't gonna shrivel because you're not soldiering round with your buddies anymore. Take up hunting- hunting encompasses most of the fun parts of the military life...just stop worrying about your hormone levels.
 
There are a lot of side effects and problems which you have to make peace with before going on TRT.

I would suggest not doing it, although I can see the appeal.
 
flyhighk said:
I'm assuming the lab results are in ng/dl for test.
You got 643, that isn't low at all. Your issues aren't from low t.
Do you mind explaining what made you think you have low t ?
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Just all my issues seem to fit Low T
 
RR279 said:
For someone 40 years old, your testosterone is ABOVE AVERAGE. You do NOT have hypogonadism. No Doc will script test until you get into the 250ish range, with an above average test count you're not even remotely close to being a candidate for TRT. There are plenty of healthy 25 year old men out there that don't have a 650 TT. You're lucky to be where you're at.
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So my Dr went ahead and prescribed Testosterone to me, Its a rub on type, how ever when I called the pharmacy to get it they said it will be ready Monday because they don’t make the concoction on Saturday. I asked what do you mean make it? I thought I was getting a name brand type (already made). The lady went on to telling me that they make it there and it will be put in syringes for me to apply at 150ml once a day. And she also informed me that end of July my insurance and any insurance will not pick up the tab on compounds? So that’s OK as my DR was going to prescribed injections if I wanted but told me he thought the rub on was better in a few ways. I the rub on don't work ill ask for injections.
 
So reading some of your comments and I do appreciate them and would like more. I was kinda on the same page and also thought there is no way this Dr is going to give this stuff to me, as my other DR said I was at an borderline low level, but that’s why he sent me to this specialist plus I was not going to take no for an answer is was either I try the legal way or get the street version and I told him that.

So talking with this new DR I expressed my thoughts on how they figure who is low and who is not. I gave him my thoughts on how the test to get an average left out a lot of things, Like race, muscle mass, height, age and so on. He went on to explaining to me that there is really no way to know what everyone Testosterone should be at, and that the range is so broad (250 – 1100ng/dL). He stated that you can test one tube of blood and get different results each time, and each one could be far from the other. The time of day to draw the blood is best as early as possible. So it kinda help me with my thoughts as I think I was programed to have a much higher Testosterone level them most, so me siting at 643 was in the lower side.

So when I get this stuff on Monday it will be in a cream form in syringes for me and im to apply it once a day @ 150ml

So a question- do you think I'm getting legitimate Testosterone from a pharmacy that makes it in house rather then getting a mass production type?

Also, I am aware of the possible risks and the inevitable ones also, some of the medications in the past have had worse risks tied to them do are freely given out the the public with no thought. Testosterone in my opinion has a marijuana stereo type. Both drugs have more medical positive then negative when used in moderation and not abused.
 
AK-MJM said:
So a question- do you think I'm getting legitimate Testosterone from a pharmacy that makes it in house rather then getting a mass production type?
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You shouldn't be worried about the pharmacy preparing the T compound.

You should be worried about whether your doctor prescribed you a drug you do not need. You should also be worried about the side effects.

You claim your T tested at 643.
That is a great level to be at.

I understand your enthusiasm and excitement, thinking that this drug will solve all your problems, but it isn't clear from what you have posted that you have a comprehensive understanding of the risks and benefits, and have been thoroughly evaluated by a doctor in terms of being a candidate.
good luck
 
I have had low test levels since I was in my mid 20s. I probably did that to myself from using steroids to get bigger. Im in my 40s now. The last time I cycled down I tested at 185. At 650 range you are doing very well. If you go down this path it's possible you will bring down your natural levels permanently. I take 200-300mg test enanthate per week an that keeps my levels around 1000. The creams only affect your levels by about 100 so they will bring you to about 750 best case scenario. Injections work best but they turn your skin to leather. Over time scar tissue builds and it becomes increasingly difficult to break the skin with the needle. If I was you I would stock with the cream and hit the gym hard. Do that for two month then go back and retest your level.
 
I am 100% understanding of risks... and if I feel I am not feeling better or its making me worse then I will not take it..
 
Section813 said:
I have had low test levels since I was in my mid 20s. I probably did that to myself from using steroids to get bigger. Im in my 40s now. The last time I cycled down I tested at 185. At 650 range you are doing very well. If you go down this path it's possible you will bring down your natural levels permanently. I take 200-300mg test enanthate per week an that keeps my levels around 1000. The creams only affect your levels by about 100 so they will bring you to about 750 best case scenario. Injections work best but they turn your skin to leather. Over time scar tissue builds and it becomes increasingly difficult to break the skin with the needle. If I was you I would stock with the cream and hit the gym hard. Do that for two month then go back and retest your level.
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That's more or less what I want to do, will see how it goes. I go back in 3 months and if it elevates other things that are not supposed to be elevated he will take me off. He stats that testosterone either works or does not work and when non healthy thing start happening that’s when they determine that testosterone is not for me. And I'm not talking shrinking nuts, (I'm not having kids and I'm cut) nor am I talking balding or acne, more so life threatening issues.

How are you doing/feeling having levels around 1000? and like your saying the cream may give me an extra 100 to 150 in terms of testosterone is that a good jump? and should one see muscle gains if they hit the gym (more then normal gains)?
 
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All evidence supports the position that you should not be on TRT. I believe the adverse side effects will counterbalance if not outweigh the positives you are expecting, which may not even be realistic- ie you may be hoping for something that an external supply of the steroid hormone simply won't provide.

I'd get off of it if I were you. Examine your diet and lifestyle/exercise habits. Cholesterol is the precursor to the biosynthesis of all the steroid hormones/androgens, and increasing your intake (if you're able and it wouldn't be counterproductive you your cardiovascular health and such) can lead to dramatic spikes in endogenous testosterone levels/production. And obviously, lifting heavy weight. It is the prototypical method for raising T levels.

Also, taking pharmaceutical T will lead to your body slowing its own production of the hormone, creating dependence. You might consider a supplement like DHEA(dehydroepiandrosterone) which is another intermediate (I think) in the production of testosterone. This is gaining popularity with doctors and patients who are reluctant to begin TRT. It can lead to higher concentrations of free T without creating dependence or reducing your ability to make it on your own.
 
You don't have low T. I doubt it. Just because its marketed people think they have it. "Depression" in 1990s, and now everyone is depressed!

If you do use testosterone be sure to mix it with cyclodextrins, its not very soluble otherwise.
 
Issac Sinclair said:
You don't have low T. I doubt it. Just because its marketed people think they have it. "Depression" in 1990s, and now everyone is depressed!

If you do use testosterone be sure to mix it with cyclodextrins, its not very soluble otherwise.
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This may be true but for now its a better alternative then the street type and now I have a Dr screening for adverse effects, again if I see its causing some harm I will not take it and I do not plan on taking it long term and I googled cyclodextrins and still have no clue to what that is? is it something I can buy or get in foods I eat?
 
you may want to look in the steroids forum, and ask questions there as well.
At least from what you've told us, your natural T is pretty high. They seem to know some tricks to lessen how the body reduces natural production of testosterone, and lesson the production of estrogen which causes unattractive side-effects.
 
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