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Hello everyone,
I hijacked this post from an old post on this site as it pretty much explains the situation I'm in. I was happy to see all the thoughtful comments regarding the situation as has not been my experience in the past with other sites. I am hoping for the same experience this individual was lucky to get.

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I purchased a bottle of "ThermoLabs Xtreme M1T" about a month ago under the table at my local muscle shop for $110 CDN, the owner told me I would see great gains for the summer (as this is my goal).

Though im not a complete noob when it comes to steroids or prohormones my knowledge is quite basic, I do understand the importance of proper diet and nutrition, pct, and of course everybody has to do their research.

Thing is when the guy sold them to me he insisted that they are a fairly safe steroid, he even told me to just take liv support and run at 20mg daily for 6-12 weeks!! He said I may get some mild testicular shrinkage which is easily reversible after my body recovers and said the liver damage will be minimal as long as im drinking lots of water and dont continue taking steroids once the bottle of M1T is finished...

However now that I am doing some research on the side a lot of users seem to be convinced that M1T is much more harmful then the owner led me to believe, he didn't mention anything about PCT except to take some otc test boosters afterword nor did he mention any of the bad

I dont have anything planned for PCT as the owner (who I put my trust in and deemed a credible source of knowledge) didn't mention anything about it and said I should be fine, to be honest with you guys im a little worried and am considering stopping the cycle and I would like to know your opinions..

Should I stop taking the M1T try to reverse any serious damage that has already been done?

Or should I just say fuck it and finish the cycle as its only one cycle and im a young healthy 28yr old who will most likely be able to suppress most side effects and overcome any problems down the road?

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The only differences in my situation are that I have arimidex, and clomid on hand. In addition I have only on my 3rd day, I've been taking 20mg daily but today I only took 10mg so far. If people think I can continue fine for 2 weeks safely with pct and little sides in the end then that's probably what ill do. Alternatively is it an option just to stop?

I have cycled on and off for the past few yrs (maybe since 23) however I always had proper PCT. This was a bit of an idiot move on my part but I was hoping to rectify it without to much of a problem and maybe get some good gains.

Thanks for the help in advance you guys are the best and im glad I have a discreet and well-informed environment to seek advice!
 
From the information you have supplied it would appear you are only on your 3rd day @ 20mg/day, is this correct?
If you are on your 3rd day and are worried, stop..!!

If you choose to do 6 weeks go ahead and give it a try, maybe only use 10mg drink plenty water you'll be OK.

Methyl-1-Testosterone does not appreciably aromatise, you could conclude arimidex isn't necessary, although there is some suggestion of progestational activity suggesting negative feedback and some possibility of gyno..?? (highly unlikely at your dose)

Taper off: week 1-5: 10mg/day, week 6: 5mg/day, (maybe week 7: 2.5mg/day).... Off.!! ..... PCT shouldn't be necessary at the dose suggested...

Wouldn't you just be better off on a basic cycle of Testosterone..?????


I've had a quick google & some idiot is suggesting all this bollocks:

Week 5 Nolvadex 40mg 6oxo –600mg
Week 6 Nolvadex 40mg 6oxo - 600mg
Week 7 Nolvadex 20mg 6oxo – 300mg
Week 8 Nolvadex 20mg 6oxo - 100mg

Day 1 Clomid @ 300mg
Week 5 Clomid @ 100mg
Week 5/6 Clomid @ 50mg

Stack m1t with 4AD. Preload 4AD @ 200mg / day (dermal) or 400mg/day (oral) for 1 week.
Followed by 4AD alongside m1t for 4 weeks @ 400mg/ day dermal or 900mg/day oral .

Milk thistle @ 1000mg preloaded along with 4AD a week before the m1t starts.
PCT Milk thistle @ 1000mg for 2 weeks.

Gyno:
Week 5-6 Nolva @ 80mg
Week 7-8 Nolva @ 40mg
Week9-10 Nolva @ 20mg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=420872&page=1

Nolvadex: multiple studies suggest that 20mg/day is the best dosage to boost testosterone production with minimal side effects, this is the dosage pretty much every study published has used. There doesn't appear to be any benefit in going above that unless maybe you are doing a heavy aromatizable cycle. Even then you're better off tapering off everything.

When it comes to pharmacology, more is not necessarily better.

A few meta analyses say that milk thistle doesn't do shit.

Also read that milk thistle potentially downregulates androgen receptors. That was from anthony roberts though and ive always thought he was less than reliable..
 
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nolys said:
Pct shouldn't be nessecery at the dose suggested?
He would be shut down would he not anyway and require a pct of some sort?
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M1T is potent as fuck. After two days of taking as little as 7.5mg your natty test production is shutdown.
 
nolys said:
Which is what I thought...
Why is GF suggesting that a pct is not needed?
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If your going to quote me nolys, please quote my statement in its entirety, or not at all..

Taper off: week 1-5: 10mg/day, week 6: 5mg/day, (maybe week 7: 2.5mg/day).... Off.!! ..... PCT shouldn't be necessary at the dose suggested...

I've had a quick look and there doesn't seem to be much out there on M1-T as far as studies go..?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21990312

I note Guido mentions shut-down after 2 days on 7.5mg, unsure if this is partial or total.? If studies can be put forward to show the action and duration of shut-down would conflict with the advice given, I will happily retract it..
I am an advocate of minimal poly-pharmacy where possible, as you know. I consider some form of taper off by progressively lowering the weekly dose, may be a much healthier option than dropping cold turkey then jumping on SERM's..
 
Genetic Freak said:
If your going to quote me nolys, please quote my statement in its entirety, or not at all..

Taper off: week 1-5: 10mg/day, week 6: 5mg/day, (maybe week 7: 2.5mg/day).... Off.!! ..... PCT shouldn't be necessary at the dose suggested...

I've had a quick look and there doesn't seem to be much out there on M1-T as far as studies go..?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21990312

I note Guido mentions shut-down after 2 days on 7.5mg, unsure if this is partial or total.? If studies can be put forward to show the action and duration of shut-down would conflict with the advice given, I will happily retract it..
I am an advocate of minimal poly-pharmacy where possible, as you know. I consider some form of taper off by progressively lowering the weekly dose, may be a much healthier option than dropping cold turkey then jumping on SERM's..
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Gf I can understand your logic with tapering off testosterone, you will still have some in your system whilst you are restarting but orals aren't testosterond so I fail to see how that would work?
Would 50mg per week of deca (just an example of other steroids) not cause complete shutdown of test if you were to taper it?
That's what logic tells me anyway?

And I actually misread your statement but after review it still seems wrong?
 
Genetic Freak said:
5. Drug of choice: depends what this means. The drug I take for long periods of time is testosterone. My favourite is dianabol
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Yes it depends - 1. The drug I take for long periods of time which could be regarded as my DOC for that reason would be testosterone.
2 - the drug which I love and is my favourite to take is dianabol
 
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