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what will happen to the integrity of society if psychedelics are accepted?

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In terms of our socio-cultural direction, will it get 'better or 'worse'?

A greater reversion to political socialism? More degenerates? Paradoxically, a move away from science?

I think if the integration is very slow, and these agents are just used medically, it could lead to a more inclusive, honest atmosphere.

Gotta love speculation.
 
Shit, gotta go, but interesting discussion.

Does 'medically' mean that they would only be prescribed by doctors? And no one were allowed to take them for introspection? Then integration might be very slow and gradual, but that can also be a very good thing.
 
I think it would cause mass revolutions against the current system, and would create a rapid rise of creativity and truth in society.
 
I don't think much would change. Just about anyone can already get some psys if he/she really want's them. I don't think that a lot more people would use them if they were legal.
 
crazycatman said:
I don't think much would change. Just about anyone can already get some psys if he/she really want's them. I don't think that a lot more people would use them if they were legal.
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I agree 100%, which is why after studying the drugs issue since coming to the UK in the 80's I am petitioning for the law on psilocybin mushrooms to be reviewed - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51485

If you're intrested in how deep this topic, how society might be affected by legalisation, can get, have a look at this thread on mytopia, where the petition was postd by a fellow BLer We all often agree here, but a huge discussion is going on here - https://mycotopia.net/forums/fungi-...tition-review-psilocybin-mushroom-ban-uk.html

I doubt a huge amount would change except perhaps that the government might control novel chemicals a bit mre tightly, in exchange for allowing us access to more well researched drugs. But a NZ aproach is equally likely & again, I don't see much change if such a thing happened here in the UK.
 
The culture of Iboga and the culture of Pedo and mushrooms seem fine considering all the outside influence. I not only feel it can't hurt, I have faith in psychedelics (to me they ARE God) so yeah...of course it would improve 'us'.
 
People in general will probably become more interesting. Good psychedelics like acid and 'shrooms cause a person to become intrigued by things not normally noticed or appreciated.

Family ties will probably become strengthened, since when you're frying or chemically dissociated the family/neighbor network becomes exposed. It's easy to see all the ties, and it somehow becomes easier to love the otherwise unlovable. We might go back to a more tribal/familial existence, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all :)

And yes, I think people on a large scale will rebel against unjust systems of society and government. It would become clear to many people that life could be so much better on so many levels, if only the crap could just be flushed out!
 
Society will only improve substantially if people properly integrate their experiences. Critical thinking skills are vital and must be employed carefully to integrate a trip. Unfortunately, most people in the world have fuck-all critical thinking skills.

For every person that takes a psychedelic drug and creates a brilliant piece of music or solves a challenging problem, there are plenty of others that decided to adopt some absurd new age beliefs that have no relation to reality.

For most people, these drugs are an emotional experience, not a rational one. This is why I don't see society overthrowing its major institutions just because psychedelics become popular. People may gain a greater appreciation of the beautiful things in our world and a greater animosity towards the bad things, but that doesn't mean that the structures of society are going to change just for that reason.
 
Think if they would be legitimately accepted, it could get much better in terms of integration- for individuals such as us visiting this site, that don't hold back from proper (ab)use. Imagine being able to express your thoughts about drugs to any "normal" person without fear of being looked down upon or getting punished in one way or another. It would be a good thing, but will probably remain a beautiful, alluring dream that only our next incarnations will be given an opportunity to partake in. :)
 
its very hard to imagine our society accepting the use of psychedelics as a large-scale thing.

maybe one day if we are lucky enough they will treat PTSD with MDMA, or have LSD therapy for end of life cancer patients. possibly in the very distant future some kind of western psychedelic shamanism may gain acceptance. but my guess is people downing tenstrips and flying their freak flag all night will probably never be acceptable in our culture.
 
it would be better if more ppl tripped

it could be like when native american boys went on walkabout/whatever .. around the time of manhood
 
I can't imagine it would be any worse than alcohol being accepted/widely used.

For me, psychedelics are just another drug with effects that wear off after ___ hours. Other people have life-changing experiences or never come back to "normal" after a single trip.

Many of the inventors, techies, scientists and writers of the '50s and '60s were influenced by psychedelics. Timothy Leary even said they played a large role in the invention of the internet and Silicon Valley. Then you have other psychonauts ("hippies") who are inclined to shun technology and go back to nature after tripping.

Mixed bag. But they should definitely be legal.
 
The only issue i see with that is that not everyone uses psychs for knowledge or introspective journeys... there are some people, from what i've seen that use them to get, as they say "fucked up" something that just seems wrong when using substances with such power. to each their own i suppose but that just seems wrong to use them in such a way.
 
I'm all for libertarian society, but I don't see psychedelics as something that everyone should have access to. In the same way as the strength of alcohol is managed & age restrictions enplaced, Psychedelic drugs could be used by those with experience & a licence, much like a driver. Or a race driver, where different licences allow the driver to move up into faster, bigger vehicles as his prowess improves.

Legalising Psychedelic drugs does not mean that these drugs are suddenly available on every street corner. Well, weed maybe but nothing else! Psychedelic drugs would be tightly regulated if we ever got to this point, I reckon.

What we need is legislation that permits safe, constructive drugs use by sensible grown-ups & a system that helps people who develop problem usage. Ideally, we'd have a similar situation to the RC scene we have now, where clued up individuals can purchase products & have them delivered & the only difference would be that 1) One would be able to purchase Psilocybin, LSD, MDMA, amphetamine etc (presently banned drugs would appear alongside RC's in other words) 2) No-one would be prosecuted for possession of Psychedelic Drugs or in a perfect world, any drug.

I think the idea is that government should move away from moral interference in personal freedoms & focus law enforcement entirely on violent & invasive crime.
 
I am in the middle ground. On one hand I have had mystical experiences, but sometimes i just like to see trails and colors. I don't need to spend a week meditating on the mountain to intergrate the experience, but when i see frat boys smoking salvia on youtube i want to puke, its clearly just another buzz to them. Taking ancient sacraments and using them to party, is that really the legalization we want? I am not saying everyone should have join some peyote church to be able to use psychedelics, but we get farther and farther away from where these substances started. And you would be hard pressed to point to any problems the native American peyote church has ever caused. Maybe they are on to something?
I support legal psychedelics but the problems will come when the " I ate a 10 strip and tripped ballz lol" segment of society start doing stupid shit. Consumers of alcohol get mini restictions on their freedoms based on lowest common denominators like the drunks at the bar who fight and holler. Sometimes we make closing times earlier or raise prices or whatever. I was shocked when Netherlands banned shrooms, they were sold for years there with no problems. A few tourists go nuts and they dropped the ban hammer hard. Thats the most tolerant nation on earth too. If psychedelics ever get legal even a few well publicized incidents will get them re banned right away. We need to do it right.
 
i genuinely agree. I think that as a whole society might take a look at their own actions from a different perspective and be able to selective change the outcome of certain events and tyrannical "mainframes" which currently exist. including their own actions as a society or a whole. The outcome may cause many members of society to think on more of a natural scale as opposed to "how much money" or " how does this benefit me" generally i DO think that society would develop positively, because at least in my opinion a society equipped for "psychedelic freak outs" instead of opposed to these states of consciousness would be able to "baby" a person in this condition on a large scale(for example mum and dad/ neighbors and friends will be more accepting/helpful during "bad trips") thus preventing major freak outs such as people harming themselves and others. I think that on a grand scale even if fully legalized these substances would work toward a better society. Sure there will always be the moron who thinks they can drive under these conditions, but that same moron exists even with the substances illegal so therefore i don't believe there would be a sudden surge of people exhibiting this type of behavior.
 
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