Diet pills ...

[Diet Pills]

Hi everyone.Please excuse me for my bad English...
So I recently made a post about my situation and decided to register.I wanna know a few things.Thanks to everyone in advance.
So Last year I took this diet pills called Slim FX that contained these ingredients:
Endless Energy (12 Hour Caffeine), DL-Phenylalanine, Beta-Phenethylamine HCI, Guaranine (1,3,7,8-Tetramethylxanthine), Griffonia Simplicifolia extract (standardized to 95% 5-Hydroxy-I-tryptophan, 1MeTIQ (1-Methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydroisoquinoline), Rauwolscine HCI

So I did the research and the Phenylethylamines are with similar structure to meth.Last year I took these pills for 4 months and the reason I took them for so long is that I entered psychosis and could not recognise it was their fault.After I read a thread here about the 8 stages of amphetamine use, I HAD SYMPTOMS OF STAGE 7 A , I REMEMBER THAT I STOPPED TAKING THE PILLS AFTER I EXPERIENCED A PANIC ATTACK THAT MADE ME WANT TO GET OUT OF MY BODY AND KILL MYSELF ALSO EXPERIENCED SOLIPISM, BUT NEVER REACHED STAGE 8. I knew at some level that this was wrong so I stopped taking them.After quitting I was in severe depression, So I started drinking alot of caffeine and got addicted and eventually started taking caffeine only pills beacause it would help me get out of the depression.At preent time I don't take caffeine pills but I drink alot of sodas and coffe and eat a lot of sweets. I am kind of scared to stop because I fear the panic attacks might come back, It has been nearly a year since then.But during last year I recovered but still have mood swings and such.

SO my questions are these:
1.Having experienced symptoms of STAGE 7A, is it possible I have permanent brain damage?Or I stopped at the right time ? I have recovered but I always feel something is not quite right, maybe because I still drink alot of caffeine so this maybe the reason I cannot recover fully ?

I never wanted to get HIGH, I never had that intention, I only wanted to lose some weight, but those pills got me into psychosis, and I am scared now to quit caffeine because I feel good even with problems with mood swings and anxiety.

 

[Toucan]

Welcome to Bluelight DP
Although you're right that Phenethylamine is structurally similar to meth it actually shares almost none of meth's psychoactive properties, it's pretty much inactive.
In fact, considering the ingredients of the pills (Phenylalanine, Phenethylamine, 5-HTP(Simplicifolia extract), caffeine (guaranine), yohimbine (Rauwolscine)) I'm surprised they did anything at all.
It sounds like an awful combination of whatever they could think of really, I have no idea why 5-htp in particular is in there.

Anyway you almost certainly haven't caused yourself permanent brain damage. The caffeine might be causing you some anxiety so perhaps you should cut down on that.
I'm moving this to Basic Drug Discussion for you, but feel free to make another introductory thread in NMI if you like


NMI -> BDD

 

[Diet Pills]

Thanks but how can you explain the psychosis and the suicide thoughts? Could they be caused by lack of sleep and is it possible that the Phenylethylamines have just depleted my neurotransmitters so I entered psychosis ? And about the psychoactive propertise when I took the pills I felt a constant slight euphoria that was caused I think by 1MetiQ ... Thanks again so much !

 

[Chipping Away]

Well I was hard on meth for 8 years straight. I'm sure it did some damage. Intelligence wise? I don't think I was affected. Short term memory could be better though. I have several Gastrointestinal problems and severe gerd. I'm sure that is why.

Diet pills and 4 months, I'm sure you are fine. You might have a deeper problem and may want to talk to a therapist.

 

[Toucan]

Lack of sleep could certainly go some way to explaining it. And perhaps you had a very strong reaction to these ingredients.
Considering the contents of the pills I doubt that you depleted any neurotransmitters

Hope you feel better soon,

Toucan

 

[Diet Pills]

The euphoria from the pills was caused by 1Metiq and the PEA's 100 % sure,
during that time because of the high I was getting I got hooked up on a cult watching youtube videos... Bashar's teachings or something... It sure gave me some of the anxiety, solipism and stuff, combined with the euphoria from the pills I think it messed my head... I shook all of the techings off just to point out... Horrible experience ...

You make me feel better because I am obviously obsessing

 

[pasha]

Basic -> Other Drugs

 

[MrSexypancake]

Yeah, I have never felt anything from most diet pills. The only ones that "worked" only did so because they upset my stomach to the point that I couldn't eat.
I find it interesting that your's contained caffeine, as I thought it sped the metabolism, making a person hungrier. I swear I read that was the reason diet soda is bad for your weight.

I'm sure you're fine as long as you quit. Some people report headaches and other mild withdrawal symptoms from avoiding caffeine, I never felt any different and I used to go through 8 diet Mt. Dew cans a day.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Horrible experience ...
You make me feel better because I am obviously obsessing

Yup, just try let it go ( when you catch yourself thinking about all these "scientific" thoughts, be aware of how it makes you feel).
Then do something physical (if needed), to take your mind away from these unnecessary thoughts.
Or just "let it go". It might actually be quite easy.
Got nothing to lose by at least trying this advice.
Oh and it does work, for me anyway, not only in your situation, but life in general.




Finally, don't even try doing this, or anything else for that matter, until you have had at least 5 hours sleep/rest.

 

[Vladamirr]

Caffeine withdrawn hurts, Brain throb that noo pain reliever will cure.
it forces you to drink more caffeine to relieve the pain.
But hey i love my coffee, it just over doing anything will lead to negative effects eventually.

 

[sekio]

DL-Phenylalanine - An amino acid. Unless you are starving or malnourished, your body already gets enough of this from food. Excess is excreted in urine and feces.
Beta-Phenethylamine HCl - aka PEA or just phenethylamine. This is only trivially active in most people, producing about ~20 minutes of stimulation. Despite the fact that PEA is related in structure to methamphetamine, it lacks the strong central stimulant effect because it is broken down very rapidly.
Guaranine (1,3,7,8-Tetramethylxanthine) - either this is a novel caffeine analogue, or it's a typo and they mean 1,3,7-dtrimethyl xanthine, aka... caffeine. "Guaranine" is just another name for caffeine anyway, it's the prinicpal component in guarana.
Griffonia Simplicifolia extract - aka 5-HTP. An amino acid. Precursor to serotonin, but your body only uses what it needs, like phenylalanine.
1MeTIQ (1-Methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydroisoquinoline) - Antidopaminergic, antiparkinsonian, MAO inhibitor. Potentiates the effects of e.g. reauwolscine and phenethylamine, depending on the exact dose. Found endogenously in the brain. Blocks the reward from morphine.
Rauwolscine HCl - a yonhimbe alkaloid, similar to yohimbine. Stimulates the adrenergic system (fight or flight) by making your body release extra adrenaline and norepinephrine.

None of these are acutely damaging, but if you took too much of them all at once might make you feel uncomfortably stimulated.

If you don't eat properly, you should expect to feel shitty. Especially if you eat a lot of sugar/salt, don't excercise, and/or use lots of caffeine.

 

[Professer]

Are you taking a MAOI by any chance?

PEA combined with MAOI has quite different effects. Basically slows (stops?) the metabolism of PEA and allows it to stay in your body longer. I've heard of people staying up for days on Phenethylamine HCL and some MAOI pill for days.

No one should try this though.

 

[electrodevo]

Are you taking a MAOI by any chance?

This pill actually does indeed combines PEA and a MAOI (mild MAO-B inhibitor I think). This combination in sufficient quantity with the right MAOI does have an actual stimulant effect that some say even jumps into euphoria. (PEA + hordenine being the combo with the most favorable reports.)

Combined with caffeine and rauwolscine, ugh. That could be an uncomfortable experience if the dose is too high. (In my limited experience, many stimulant stacks tend to go way overboard.)

I don't like stimulant stacks for "losing weight". I don't think they work very well. I think steps like cutting out high GI foods is a more sound strategy.

 

[ace-x]

Just have a little less each day.

If you have 20 sweets and 3 coffees and 3 sodas in a day, tomorrow have 19 sweets then the next day 18 then the next 17, maybe stop around 10 a day and then take a way a coffee or a soda, if you're having trouble at any point go back 1 step and stay there for a few days.

 

[Diet Pills]

DL-Phenylalanine - An amino acid. Unless you are starving or malnourished, your body already gets enough of this from food. Excess is excreted in urine and feces.
Beta-Phenethylamine HCl - aka PEA or just phenethylamine. This is only trivially active in most people, producing about ~20 minutes of stimulation. Despite the fact that PEA is related in structure to methamphetamine, it lacks the strong central stimulant effect because it is broken down very rapidly.
Guaranine (1,3,7,8-Tetramethylxanthine) - either this is a novel caffeine analogue, or it's a typo and they mean 1,3,7-dtrimethyl xanthine, aka... caffeine. "Guaranine" is just another name for caffeine anyway, it's the prinicpal component in guarana.
Griffonia Simplicifolia extract - aka 5-HTP. An amino acid. Precursor to serotonin, but your body only uses what it needs, like phenylalanine.
1MeTIQ (1-Methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydroisoquinoline) - Antidopaminergic, antiparkinsonian, MAO inhibitor. Potentiates the effects of e.g. reauwolscine and phenethylamine, depending on the exact dose. Found endogenously in the brain. Blocks the reward from morphine.
Rauwolscine HCl - a yonhimbe alkaloid, similar to yohimbine. Stimulates the adrenergic system (fight or flight) by making your body release extra adrenaline and norepinephrine.

None of these are acutely damaging, but if you took too much of them all at once might make you feel uncomfortably stimulated.

If you don't eat properly, you should expect to feel shitty. Especially if you eat a lot of sugar/salt, don't excercise, and/or use lots of caffeine.

So Is it possible I have made damage to certain receptors or I have just exhausted my neurotransmitters in a way because of the lack of sleep, exercising and not eating enough ?
And actually the caffeine in the pill was Endless energy , meaning it was released gradually so you had it in you for 12 hours ...

 

[Diet Pills]

And what do you guys think of this, because I tried it recently NOT WITH THE INTENTION TO GET HIGH, It is advertised to be a Pre-workout supplement. I discontinued ...
http://www.crazepreworkout.com/images/driven-sports-craze-ingredients.jpg

I get massive anxiety attacks and paranoia and a feeling of out of touch with reality, It also gives me great tunnel vision and focus for working out or studying.So my question is is anyone familiar with these specific ingredients and are they really similar to METH ? - > N,N-Dimethyl-B-Phenylethylamine and
N,N-Diethyl-B-Phenylethylamine

 

[sekio]

Stop taking silly "energy supplements".

Those are just phenethylamine derivatives - they won't have an effect like meth.

 

[bloodshed344]

And what do you guys think of this, because I tried it recently NOT WITH THE INTENTION TO GET HIGH, It is advertised to be a Pre-workout supplement. I discontinued ...
http://www.crazepreworkout.com/images/driven-sports-craze-ingredients.jpg

I get massive anxiety attacks and paranoia and a feeling of out of touch with reality, It also gives me great tunnel vision and focus for working out or studying.So my question is is anyone familiar with these specific ingredients and are they really similar to METH ? - > N,N-Dimethyl-B-Phenylethylamine and
N,N-Diethyl-B-Phenylethylamine

They are somewhat similar to meth, but the n,n dialkyl (methyl and ethyl) makes it much less active as Meth only has one methyl at the n (nitrogen) site. Also, if the methyl at the beta position were moved to the alpha position, you would have something really close to meth (which is n-methyl AlphaMethylPHEneThylAMINE). Structurally very similar, but the dialkyl on the nitrogen and the methyl on the beta makes it a weak ass cardiac stimulant at best, with most likely very little dopamine activity and guaranteed no serotonin activity.

Did you damage yourself? No. Should they be selling shit like this without a warning that it contains stimulants? No.

 

[pup]

Panic attacks and suicidal thoughts are hard to deal with. Depression is a very real thing. It might go away on its own if you strive to life a healthy lifestyle. In the meanwhile if you're still experiencing these, having a number of a toll-free help line on your phone help (you can find plenty online.) Even if you dont nd up calling them, it can be some sort of relief to know that someone CAN listen to you if you need help. In the case you are psychotic, just dialling and talking to someone might help you recognize you are psychotic. These people are trained to hear about difficult situations so you can feel comfortable talking to them when nobody else can help. Finding an online support forum might be good too but I know what you're going through and sometimes being online for hours definitely breeds obsessions/thought loops. So get a number or two on your phone and get out, try not too worry too much about what might be wrong with you and know tha you CAN get better. So try to help yourself get better!

Finding a psych (therapist, psychologist, etc,) or a nutritionist might do you well if circumstances allow.
I don't believe you are in too deep. I'm bipolar and some people consider that a "circadian disorder," because lack of sleep definitely can lead to delusions/psychosis/manic episodes. So try your best to get sleep. Decrease your caffeine intake, maybe look into natural sleep aids like melatonin or valerian root. It can take months, years to get on a healthy sleep schedule, I know. But trying can't hurt you, the structure will only help. Good luck friend and feel free to message me any time you feel like.

 

[Ksa]

Endless Energy (12 Hour Caffeine), DL-Phenylalanine, Beta-Phenethylamine HCI, Guaranine (1,3,7,8-Tetramethylxanthine), Griffonia Simplicifolia extract (standardized to 95% 5-Hydroxy-I-tryptophan, 1MeTIQ (1-Methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydroisoquinoline), Rauwolscine HCI

Since when caffeine gives endless energy lol...well. This is poison. In my personal opinion you're better off taking Dexedrine responsibly in amounts of 15mg daily as extended release, but Dexedrine is only given for ADHD/narcolepsia. Also I would avoid exercizing or having any kind of physical activity while that crap is flowing through my system.

They are somewhat similar to meth, but the n,n dialkyl (methyl and ethyl) makes it much less active as Meth only has one methyl at the n (nitrogen) site. Also, if the methyl at the beta position were moved to the alpha position, you would have something really close to meth (which is n-methyl AlphaMethylPHEneThylAMINE). Structurally very similar, but the dialkyl on the nitrogen and the methyl on the beta makes it a weak ass cardiac stimulant at best, with most likely very little dopamine activity and guaranteed no serotonin activity.

Did you damage yourself? No. Should they be selling shit like this without a warning that it contains stimulants? No.

What he means is that these substances preserve the worst side effects of meth, like psychosis without having any euphoria. It's basically filth. I would sue the company.