Morphine guru's!

[FastRaceCarGuy]

A buddy acquired some of these http://www.drugs.com/imprints/60-m-8692.html from his script

He has a very high tolerance to opiates in excess of 100+ mg 's oxy type of tolerance. He tried crushing up 2 of the 60'S and swollowing them down, he got nothing but the ichies, any advice on how to better seperate the "time release" deal out of these, and or a better way to take them? (IV is not a choice he is not that into drugs to mess with needles) any advice is appreciated friends!

(quick answer if i may be correct) Maybe he just needs more then 120 mgs? should he try chopping up 3 next time? 4?

ALSO - MODS, I just noticed there is a basic drug discussion board, perhaps moved to there if this is posted in a incorrect topic?

 

[Morphling]

150mgs morphine sulphate via oral route is usually considered an equianalgesic dosage for 100mgs of oxycodone. Oxy is typically considered to be more euphoric than oral morphine, so he might not get a whole lot out of it in comparison to the oxy.

There are techs all over the internet for extracting morphine from MS controlled release pills, so I'm not going to bother writing it out for you.

He(or you, or whomever) is just going to have to play around with it. Might consider an extraction and plugging the solution, I've heard that works better for these.

 

[FastRaceCarGuy]

150mgs morphine sulphate via oral route is usually considered an equianalgesic dosage for 100mgs of oxycodone. Oxy is typically considered to be more euphoric than oral morphine, so he might not get a whole lot out of it in comparison to the oxy.

There are techs all over the internet for extracting morphine from MS controlled release pills, so I'm not going to bother writing it out for you.

He(or you, or whomever) is just going to have to play around with it. Might consider an extraction and plugging the solution, I've heard that works better for these.

I truly have been searching for these threads and all I find is extraction for oxycontin and yet I have not even found solid info on that either. I really would appreciate a link if your not too busy sir! thanks in advance if you can.

 

[Morphling]

I'll just send a link in pm, I can't remember the rules for posting offsite links on BL.

 

[FastRaceCarGuy]

I'll just send a link in pm, I can't remember the rules for posting offsite links on BL.

The link you sent me, isnt that just for melting it down and shotting it? My friend can't do needles and I won't let him get into that, do you know if thats the same method for just drinking it or shooting it up the rear?

 

[Morphling]

Just take the solution and either drink it or plug it. Not necessary to IV it, it's just the extraction process that's important %)

 

[FastRaceCarGuy]

Just take the solution and either drink it or plug it. Not necessary to IV it, it's just the extraction process that's important %)

Is there any other links im having a hard time understanding everything they are talking about lol.. cotton? Im very familiar with CWE im a hydro type of guy but is this the only way to do it where needles are involved?

 

[Morphling]

I don't know which pills you have, and there are different extraction methods for many of them, that's why I sent you that particular link.

Try it and see if it works. Those are the biggest junkies I know on the net, if they don't know how to do it efficiently nobody will. I think there are posts on BL explaining the same, but the search engine is dodgy and I couldn't find the info here either.

 

[FastRaceCarGuy]

I don't know which pills you have, and there are different extraction methods for many of them, that's why I sent you that particular link.

Try it and see if it works. Those are the biggest junkies I know on the net, if they don't know how to do it efficiently nobody will. I think there are posts on BL explaining the same, but the search engine is dodgy and I couldn't find the info here either.

that is what he has, as posted http://www.drugs.com/imprints/60-m-8692.html from his script

 

[Morphling]

Ok, well I found this thread.....

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/537897-Getting-the-most-out-of-my-MS-SR

 

[FastRaceCarGuy]

he took 3 of them orally and said he didn't feel much of a high at all, the research he did was saying that morphine taken ORALLY is not very effective, something to do with BA or something like that. He wanted me to ask if plugging 3 of them would be better then taking 3 orally or should he just up to to 4 when he plugs it?

 

[crOOk]

I personally don't see much recreational value in morphine. I can do over 50mg rectally without a tolerance which would naturally have me puke my guts out (especially when I'm moving towards 100mg), but it just never feels as pleasant as my fave's... I'd prefer piritramide, fent, oxycodone, hydromorphone, tilidine and even tramadol over morphine. Only opiate that's even less pleasant to me is codeine, which just makes me feel like my entire skin is on fire and my eyes are about to pop out of my skull (histaminergic sides at dosages past 150-200mg).

My recommendation: Let him try it rectally instead, faster comeup... So YES, plugging is a lot better with this one. Still I don't get all the fuzz about morphine, it's always seemed exceptionally shitty to me. Others are most definitely very very different and get a lot of enjoyment out of it, but maybe your friend is like me in this respect. Best don't get his hopes up.

Not sure I would recommend plugging 240mg though, sounds like it could potentially kill him... With his oxy tolerance, I could very well imagine plugging 200mg myself, but he might be different and just stop breathing at such whopping dosages... Careful man.

 

[Morphling]

Yeah, the BA of morphine orally stinks, but it makes up for that in strength of agonism, theoretically.

Sure, plug away, with three, and see how it goes. If that doesn't work all you can do is increase dose.

 

[crOOk]

Oh and btw, there is a publication that tested rectal absorption and morphine plasma concentration over time after administering it rectally at varying pH. If I remember correctly, you get the most bang around a pH of 10-11. Could make a buffered solution with a pH of 10, that won't burn your ass, 10 is within the physiological pH range of the rectum.

 

[Hatepeach]

as stated here oral morphine has less euphoria then oxycodone, but it produces a more "stoned" feeling then other opiates, and the buzz lasts much longer then oxy or hydromorphone, I get a lot of instant release oxy and morphine, among others, prescribed to me for a chronic pain condition and find that around 100-150mg of instant release morphine works wonders on what ails ya, its got a body buzz feeling that I dont get from any other opiates.

your friend might very well just need a little more to get where he wants to go.

 

[Yaj]

^I think as far as euphoria is concerned its very personal, I've heard all different opinions from people on which opiate/oid is stimulating or sedating or euphoric or more depressive. Lots of people think heroin is the most euphoric high which means morphine can obviously be very euphoric although this could be because of other things like 6 mam. I personally agree with you because oxy is my favorite opiate/oid, while fentanyl for example is less euphoric for me and much more depressing and "stoning"

 

[FastRaceCarGuy]

So any advice on actually taking them does he just crush them up mix with a a little bit of water and just string it into the rear or is there a step to do before ? Any tips are highly appreciated on this as both I and him do not know anything about plugging, how far to go in nor do we even know to lay or anything

 

[paranoid android]

With the generic mscontins i get the easiest way of beating the time release i know is to put the powder in very hot water. The wax doesn't dissolve in hot water but it dissolves in cold water. Before i started IVing i would throw the powder in a boiling cup of tea and drink it down . The bitter taste of the green tea would mask the bitter taste of the morphine somewhat.

I find morphine to be very euphoric and it's my second favorite opiate after hydromorphone. I like it better then oxycodone and fentanyl in terms of euphoria anyway. I never got much euphoria from oxy unless i took it with a anti-histamine and/or a benzo preferably temazepam.

 

[Morphling]

I can't comment on those particular mscontins, as I haven't played with those. Keep in mind you're going to need at least 3ml of water to dissolve 3 of those pills worth of morphine, morphine has a rather low solubility of 60mg/ml of H20.

Plugging is super easy. Get an oral syringe or break the needle off a insulin syringe, lube up your butt with something, lay down on your side, stick it in and push the plunger! Make sure you've gone to the bathroom before that, and lay around for 5-15 minutes, and enjoy the drug. We have a plugging megathread, but there really isn't anything to it.

 

[crOOk]

So any advice on actually taking them does he just crush them up mix with a a little bit of water and just string it into the rear or is there a step to do before ? Any tips are highly appreciated on this as both I and him do not know anything about plugging, how far to go in nor do we even know to lay or anything

He could add a tiny bit of sodium carbonate to increase pH and help absorption. Plasma peaks will be higher, which means more of a buzz! Don't use greasy lubricant, the polar morphine salt solution won't get through a fatty layer so easily.

Edit: If he should unexpectedly get an urge to defecate, he should try to fight it. What I do when this happens is just lay on my back with my legs pointing upwards (so does the anus in that position), as bizarre as it might sound... :D
Btw the bioavailability of oxycodone is a lot better rectally, too. He might not want to get back to oral dosing once he has tried this. So depending on which way you look at it, this could be both a bad and a good thing...