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I capped this and it took a long time to get going. If I was to dissolve in lemon juice and chase would that reduce the onset? I thought moclobemide would reduce that, but it appeared to make onset even more cold that other times including 50mg at once.

moclobemide + 4 AcO DMT is something to experience=D
 
Well simply eating it or dissolving it in water saves the time it takes for the gelcap to dissolve in your stomach. I don't know about lemon juice.

50mg - damn!
 
Gelcaps dissolve in stomach acid almost immediately. Dissolving your dose in water might make it marginally faster but probably not noticeably. It would help to take the moclobemide first to give it a chance to take effect before you introduce the 4-aco-dmt.
 
Alexander Shulgin said:
Gelcaps dissolve in stomach acid almost immediately. Dissolving your dose in water might make it marginally faster but probably not noticeably. It would help to take the moclobemide first to give it a chance to take effect before you introduce the 4-aco-dmt.
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I took the moclobemide 30 minutes before. Maybe next time I will dissolve the moclobemide as well. There has to be a way;)

Syn242: 50mg was awesome, but I really prefer the moclobemide with 4 AcO DMT - Nothing quite like tripping as heavy as possible, I mean this is the definition of Bliss=D
 
Don't swallow. Take it bucally, aka dump it in your lip where people dip tobacco. I've found it to be the most reliable ROA, along with hitting you fast and hard.

I've found this to be more reliable with 4-AcO, 2c-e, MXE, basically anything in a powder I've tried.
 
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slo mo said:
I took the moclobemide 30 minutes before. Maybe next time I will dissolve the moclobemide as well. There has to be a way;)

Syn242: 50mg was awesome, but I really prefer the moclobemide with 4 AcO DMT - Nothing quite like tripping as heavy as possible, I mean this is the definition of Bliss=D
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Yeah nothing quite like a heavy 4 aco dmt trip, it is also the SAFEST feeling psychdelic ive ever had, even at massive doses it feels extremely safe on the body.

I always get the sense of the whole universe condensing down into my body and me being the centre and the whole universe and my mind then becoming a mass of psychedelic visuals.
 
If you want to decrease the onset your best chance of that is to eat a light meal before taking 4-AcO-DMT orally. The additional digestive enzymes may convert more of it to 4-ho-DMT more quickly, which has a far more rapid onset and plateau so far as my fairly numerous experiences with synthetic 4-ho-DMT are informed.
 
try snorting 4-aco-dmt it hits pretty fast. A person i know IVd like 30mg and had an extremely hard hitting trip, not to mention an incredibly fast onset. And yes a cap dissolves quite fast in the stomach.

so how did the moclo affect the visuals or depth of the trip?
 
i can't be the only one that thinks higher, oral doses of 4-aco-dmt hit pretty fast.

when i took 45 mg fumarate, drank in a glass of liquid, i was coming up within 10 minutes.
 
Just wrote this in the other topic. I took 17mg in grapefruit juice. I felt it come up after 5 minutes and after 20 minutes it was working. It was great from now i will do it like this :)
 
porkstock said:
i can't be the only one that thinks higher, oral doses of 4-aco-dmt hit pretty fast.

when i took 45 mg fumarate, drank in a glass of liquid, i was coming up within 10 minutes.
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Nah man, I'm with you on this one. It's the fastest acting psychedelic that I've tried. I remember one of my 1st times with it I thought I'd be able to order a pizza right after dosing. Pizza got there in 20 minutes but at +15m I was on my way to peak strength. I couldn't handle paying for the pizza lol. Had to get my GF to do it.
 
i don't see many reports of people insufflating 4-aco-dmt and i wonder why, it hits within minutes and is more intense but shorter lasting. Perhaps it doesn't break down into 4-ho-dmt this way either, which may give it a different character. IME i couldn't tell much of a difference but the super fast come up and short duration (about 2-3 hours until baseline) was nice for a short blast of psychedelia.

orally it does hit quite fast, usually within 30 minutes i have pretty strong effects.
 
^Insufflating it didn't do anything for me, I dunno. I mean that I did not find that ROA desirable or advantageous over oral administration, not that it literally did nothing.

it hits within minutes and is more intense but shorter lasting.
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I myself preferred the needle to accomplish this. I do not recommend going that route, obviously (the darn things are more trouble than they're worth).
 
^ I didn't care for the insufflation route either, which is why I also chose the needle as my roa of choice. Or maybe I just rationalized to myself to pick up a needle again.. Old habits die hard I guess. But anyway I did enjoy the short rush and the sort of insta-tripping that goes along with this roa.
 
the only thing about insufflation is you need a higher dose than you would think. 15-20mg will give you strong effects, not like the 2c class where 1/3rd snorted is equal to an oral dose. If i were a needle user, i'd have shot plenty of psychs by now.
 
RobotRipping said:
try snorting 4-aco-dmt it hits pretty fast. A person i know IVd like 30mg and had an extremely hard hitting trip, not to mention an incredibly fast onset. And yes a cap dissolves quite fast in the stomach.

so how did the moclo affect the visuals or depth of the trip?
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Will try sub for ROA like psy997 said, thanks for that. The moclo was strange, as it never helped with onset time a I thought it would. Once the trip kicked in, it was deep. Ego death and all , but surprisingly the visuals weren't really bright, but on the darker side with a deep push and meaning too them. Really deep, the 2c-p attempt last night was pale in comparison - no comparison. Moclo is nice with 4 Aco DMT, will have to try it with shrooms as well as 4HO MiPT, maybe 2c-e+4 AcO DMT.

The sense on inner peace and well being , oneness , forgiveness was deep on the moclo + 4 AcO Trip. Next time sublingual ROA for the 4 sub and liquify the moclo . Dietary restrictions not a problems either.

Robo, check PM.;)

Porkstock, I might try the drink in the liquid as well. I know that the 1 hr + onset was some of the worst I have had and I want to cure that. Might lemon juice and rinse in the mouth with some alcohol as well, will find a way. The trip was awesome, and it can go further as there were no hints of safety concerns at all. I really want to try 25B with 4 AcO DMT (no moclo with NBOME) at a high dose, this must be wicked.

caravela - I might try the grapefruit juice as well. Might drink some grapefruit juice first? Really, if I could have cut the onset down, this could have been even more intense because onset can influence the trip to a degree at least in the early stages. I did 150mg moclo 30 minutes before (capped) then the capped 4 AcO DMT, Next time it will be liquids for all.
 
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