Aussie workers using real-life 'limitless' drug

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Aussie workers using real-life 'limitless' drug

Modafinil is a prescription-only drug for sleep disorders
Popularised as real-life version of drug in 2011 film Limitless
Drug is now being used in Australia

IT'S the real life "limitless" drug - touted as Viagra for the brain - that shot to prominence when a Silicon Valley millionaire credited it with his amazing success.
Now news.com.au has discovered the drug is being purchased online and obtained by Australian workers in high pressure industries such as finance to stay ahead of the competition.
A number of workers who spoke to news.com.au on the condition of anonymity said the use of the drug had grown among workers in competitive, fast-paced industries in recent months.
Modafinil, marketed as Provigil in the US, is a prescription-only drug used to improve wakefulness in those who suffer from sleep disorders like narcolepsy.

It shot to fame when Dave Asprey, the founder of The Bulletproof Executive and self-described "biohacker" credited the use of Provigil to his success in Silicon Valley.
"I started taking it when I was getting my MBA while working full time at a start-up we sold for $600 million," Mr Asprey told news.com.au.
"I ended up taking it pretty much every day from 2001 to 2009. I think it's been an enormous boost for my career and even my family, having limitless energy and focus is amazing."
It's since been popularised as the real-life version of the drug used in Limitless, the 2011 film starring Bradley Cooper, and has gained a cult following among financial traders, IT professionals, poker players and card-counters.

"I think it's a combination of being in a mentally tiring job with a lot of competition and a workload much larger than there are hours in the day," said one Sydney finance worker, 35, who had tried the drug after reading about it online.
"The stories I read were all very positive and being in a busy stressful job with not enough time it's exciting to think there might be something that can give you and edge on the competition, but mostly to combat exhaustion.
“It’s really hard to say [how many people use it] because people don’t want to admit. Part of the idea is the higher up the corporate structure you are, you don’t want to give away your secrets or anyone to accuse you of not doing it on your own."
Dave Asprey said he has received inquiries from Australians about how to import the drug or how to obtain it online.
"I'm not an expert on Australian law but I am on Provigil. I do know for a fact that you can import it and some people are on it and enjoying it."
One Sydney worker who spoke to news.com.au said the drug provided him with a high level of energy and focus for his job. He said it was like having a major coffee hit, without any caffeine jitters.

"I find if I have coffee there's an immediate energy burst but it wears off quickly and is often accompanied with some anxiety or nervousness. It's a much more consistent eight or nine hours of evenly keeled energy and focus," he said.
"Rather than a conscious feeling of energy, you notice in hindsight that you didn't get tired and you worked for longer than usual. It's more like ‘oh wow it's been two hours and I haven't looked at the clock."
Another executive worker, 27, who runs his own creative agency, said he was first tempted to try the drug after hearing about its benefits from colleagues and reading about it online.
He had heard that he could use it to gain consistent focus for 12-14 hour days.

"When I first heard about and weighed up how it could affect me, I thought it would be a wonder-drug that would make me more creative but it doesn't do that at all," he said.
"It gives you mental endurance. It doesn't make you mentally more creative. It just pushes you further in terms of the amount you can get done…. If you've got a to do list you'll smash through it no questions."
Australian Medical Association President, Dr Steve Hambleton issued a severe warning against Modafinil, saying it was illegal to use or import the drug without a prescription and could lead to huge risks when not taken appropriately.
"There are dangers if you're pregnant or likely to become pregnant. If you're under 18 or over 65, if you've got a mental illness or for people with abnormal heart rhythms. There's an interaction with anti-depressants, there's an interaction with drugs that help epilepsy and blood-clotting drugs," he said.

But while users who agreed to speak to news.com.au said the initial benefits of the drug had been positive all agreed they would no longer use the drug daily.
"There's no such thing as a free lunch. While Dave Asprey says it has no side effects, there's got to be something. I wouldn't be comfortable taking it every day. You still feel like you're affected by something," the finance worker said.
Dr Hambleton said it's crucial people don't believe online hype, and that the best way to focus at work is to get a good night's sleep.
"This is a serious drug with serious side effects" he said.
"There's headaches, vomiting, aggression, anxiety depression, uneven heartbeat. Get a good nights sleep and eat well, exercise and that's the best advice we can give. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is."


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/wor...ss/story-e6frfm9r-1226654454821#ixzz2UqgOvzEb
 
So how does anyone else feel about modafinil? I once had a bottle of 60 to be taken I tablet twice a day and it did very little for me that I could tell. I had never used any type of "upper" before (except caffeine) and I was really looking forward to all those positive effects because I. Am very frequently tired so much of the time. But I was disappointed. Maybe bigger dose?
 
^A friend of mine ordered a bunch of modafinil caps online, one is enough to keep him up and alert for hours on end with no distraction. I have no idea the dosage though, but maybe you should check the modafinil thread in AusDD -> http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/340692-Modafinil-Discussion

The friend who's been taking it for revision hasn't noticed insomnia effects if taking in an appropriate time (mornings), nor any jitters.

It's a much more consistent eight or nine hours of evenly keeled energy and focus," he said.
"Rather than a conscious feeling of energy, you notice in hindsight that you didn't get tired and you worked for longer than usual. It's more like ‘oh wow it's been two hours and I haven't looked at the clock."

This is exactly how he feels about it as well. He gets everything he needs to done, and reckons he learns stuff better on it.

I'm yet to try it, but will in the next week probably.


Having heard many reports on the substance, it does not surprise me that people are using it to get through boring, long hour work days. In fact, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often with other drugs.
 
It's a much more consistent eight or nine hours of evenly keeled energy and focus," he said.
"Rather than a conscious feeling of energy, you notice in hindsight that you didn't get tired and you worked for longer than usual. It's more like ‘oh wow it's been two hours and I haven't looked at the clock."

Pretty much sums it up, it doesn't so much actively stimulate you as just wipe out fatigue and return you to the ideal state of mental function, with relatively minor side effects.
 
How much does Cephalon pay newspapers to publish stories like this? It's a brilliant advertising campaign. People don't even realize they're being spammed.

There are no intellect enhancers other than psychedelics.
 
When I watched Limitless, I thought the drug was methamphetamine or supposed to be a stronger/longer-lasting version of methamphetamine.

I thought it was a more potent, more habit forming type of methamphetamine as well. But something felt off about Cooper's performance. So then I watched Spun, and I realized what it was.
 
^A friend of mine ordered a bunch of modafinil caps online, one is enough to keep him up and alert for hours on end with no distraction. I have no idea the dosage though, but maybe you should check the modafinil thread in AusDD -> http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/340692-Modafinil-Discussion

The friend who's been taking it for revision hasn't noticed insomnia effects if taking in an appropriate time (mornings), nor any jitters.



This is exactly how he feels about it as well. He gets everything he needs to done, and reckons he learns stuff better on it.

I'm yet to try it, but will in the next week probably.


Having heard many reports on the substance, it does not surprise me that people are using it to get through boring, long hour work days. In fact, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often with other drugs.
It happens all the time with other drugs, the only difference is that drugs such as m-amp or even d-amp for that matter have much more stigma attached to them.
 
There are no intellect enhancers other than psychedelics.

Really? -.- I've seen you post a lot and usually agree with/respect what you have to say. But you can't go around saying stuff like that, taking psychadelics does not make you increase intellect, this ain't final fantasy lmao.
 
^I stand by that. LSD has augmented my cognitive ability on many occasions. It has led me through thought patterns that I didn't even know were possible. Of course, during the experience I'm an incoherent mess. But afterwards, it's evident my cogitation has gained a much greater range of motion.

I'd like to see this tested in a controlled environment.
 
I Dunno about all that, you see all these people "enlightened" by psychedelics chatting on about the 4th dimension and spirituality and on and onn..

To me it's always been eat chemical, trip out for however long, come down and continue life.. only thing i've learnt from tripping is that nature is pretty cool, what exactly have psychedelics done that make you believe you have increased intellect? I may not believe what your saying to me but hell I am actually interested as to why!
 
I thought it was a more potent, more habit forming type of methamphetamine as well. But something felt off about Cooper's performance. So then I watched Spun, and I realized what it was.

haha. i love spun. such a great movie. micky rourke is great in that movie, i love the random part when jason scwartzman asks him if he shaves his balls lol
 
I Dunno about all that, you see all these people "enlightened" by psychedelics chatting on about the 4th dimension and spirituality and on and onn..

To me it's always been eat chemical, trip out for however long, come down and continue life.. only thing i've learnt from tripping is that nature is pretty cool, what exactly have psychedelics done that make you believe you have increased intellect? I may not believe what your saying to me but hell I am actually interested as to why!

You may not believe my conclusions, but I hope you at least believe that I'm telling the truth.

I know the first time I took acid--when I was 18--my grade point average jumped from 2.8 (70%) to 4.0 (100%). It was precisely because the experience taught me that I could do a lot more with my mind than I originally thought. This was directly manifested in my writing, as I learned how to listen to and transcribe my thoughts--and in first and second year American colleges, writing is such a huge aspect of your grade.

Subsequent trips have shown me that two visions dominate my experience. The first vision involves a squadron of strong men inside my mind whose mission it is to bar me from certain thought patterns and thought domains. I literally see myself overcoming these strong men, and I take note of the tactics that help me depose them.

The second vision involves an enormous featureless plain and two massive choruses marching toward one another with great hostility. Each chorus is shouting at the other, and their shouts visibly collide at the midpoint, creating matter. At first the matter is as featureless as the plain, but as the choruses get nearer to one another, the matter begins to take on detail. Soon it is evident that the matter is the universe--simultaneously seen in total and in particular. The whole thing evolves and develops until I notice myself and my world emerge from the collision of voices--a collision which also produces a featureless plain and two massive choruses marching toward one another.

The second vision has helped me enormously in the sciences and maths. I can see abstract concepts assemble and disassemble themselves spontaneously. I can see, for instance, Newtons three laws, or the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, or SN2 reactions take place as the result of some cosmic collision of hostilities. And it's all very operatic.
 
Modafinil is great. but. What goes up must come down. I always get depressed after the chemical wear off. So I use it to work into the night then hopefully take my sleeping pills-trazadone- to go to bed. Don't take after about 6pm if you wanna sleep! I just took 100 mg's to work and in another, say, 4 hours will take another 100 mg's. But like another blue-lighter mentioned Modafinil makes me feel exactly like I just smoked crystal meth,,,! so, not sure what's up with that?!
 
Certainly modafinil has it's place and is good for some people, but I roll my eyes when I see it touted as some kind of miracle like this. I use caffeine and amphetamine for my intellectually challenging / high-pressure work, and I've never seen or heard anything that makes me think modafinil would be a useful replacement for either.
 
Modafinil is a far better functional stimulant than either caffeine or amphetamine, imo. It's far more clear minded and lucid, there's no intense emotional high or weird behavioral urges, the physical effects are less pronounced (less twitching, shaking, hypertension, jaw grinding, etc) and the come down is much smoother. It's also not significantly habit forming (in my experience - although I've never heard of any cases of addiction either), and not prone to a significant development of tolerance.

I took it daily for 3 months, had no tolerance develop, had no urge to escalate my use, experienced no major side effects (infrequent minor headaches, some slight jaw clenching on the first couple days and maybe a minor increase in anxiety levels) and at the end of the 3 months I managed to slide off from taking it with no big crash (either emotional or physical) and no cravings to continue using the drug.

For me, it was pretty much the perfect functional drug - all the things that make other stimulants good for productivity, but without all the things that cause problems when you try to use them for productivity.

I'm not sure what the effects would be of taking it long term (a year+), and of course if you used it to just compensate for lack of sleep your body will eventually wear down no matter what, but that's just biological reality.
 
What happens to these people who take it long-term to boost their success and then stop taking it?

I met someone once who ran a fortune 500 company that was taking mod and he had major delusions of grandeur and clear psychotic breaks. He bragged about only having to sleep a few hours every night. I couldn't figure out if it was the mod or he was just crazy the begin with.
 
What happens to these people who take it long-term to boost their success and then stop taking it?

I met someone once who ran a fortune 500 company that was taking mod and he had major delusions of grandeur and clear psychotic breaks. He bragged about only having to sleep a few hours every night. I couldn't figure out if it was the mod or he was just crazy the begin with.

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