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EmDeeEmAye

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* If you dont want to read everything I provided a summary at the end of this post

MDMA for the first time recently. Really enjoyed myself on just one 150mg dose. Didnt really have a bad comedown either, more of an afterglow. I do feel like I could have had a slightly higher dose but it was just the first time.

- I would like to do this again but I want to limit myself to only 4 times per year for the next 3 years (uni), so I am averaging about once every 3 months and this is only if I do not suffer any kind of adverse effects.

- A rough schedule for me this year would be (1) this past weekend (2) In two weeks time (3) Late October (4 1/2 months from 2nd time)(this is a 100% definite for me) (4) This is only a maybe but it would be late november/early december (so over 1 month after number 3)

My main concern here is that there is that my 2nd time is only 2 weeks later. There is an unbelievable event happening which there is no way I am missing and I would love to give it another go then. The upside here is that there will be 4 1/2 months until the next time I plan on doing it. This issue is the timing of my first time in relation to this event I am not too sure if the break is too short although I didnt have a negative comedown at all.

I am leaning slightly towards not doing (4) and saving it for early next year instead.

- My other question is about dosing. The experienced friends I did it with this weekend took a slightly higher dose of about 170/180mg. I am much bigger then them aswell and Im a bigish guy overall (6'4" and about 93kg). My experience was strong and really great but I feel like they had a slightly better experience overall and they peaked a bit longer. Would an increase of 20-30mg in the dose produce noticeable results?

I also read that redosing after 1 hour of the first 150mg dose with a 40/50mg dose is recommended.

I am just wondering if in (2) I should just take it easy and do another 150mg dose and leave any changes in dosing to another time due to the time between (1) and (2) being just 2 weeks. Am I putting myself at a much greater risk but fiddling with the doses?


I just want to enjoy the drug in the most responsible way I can and try to minimize any risks. Its something I dont want to abuse so Im trying to be cautious.

I know I am kind of rambling but I would appreciate any comments on any of the 3 points mentioned

If you dont want to read everything here is everything summarized

- Just had my first experience. It was amazing and I didnt have a negative comedown at all
- I dont want to use this more than 4x per year, so it averages out to about once every 3 months
- The rough schedule for this year would be (1) this past weekend, (2) in two weeks time, (3) 4.5 months after 2nd time, (4) This is just a maybe but it would be over 1 month after 3rd time
- I am just a bit concerned about there only being 2 weeks between (1) and (2) although I will have a 4.5 month break after (2)

- I took 150mg my first time and had an amazing time. My more experienced friends took 170mg/180mg and they seemed to have a longer peak than me. I am much bigger than these guys. Would an increase in dose of 20-30mg produce a big difference?
- I read that it is good to take a dose of about 150mg followed by a small redose of 40-50mg one hour after the first dose. I am guessing this would be more intense than 1 180mg dose and so possibly more dangerous?
- Is it more of a risk to redose rather than take one dose or is it just about the total amount you take?
- Do you think I should just stick to the 150mg dose for (2) and leave any tinkering with doses for another time due to the short duration between (1) and (2)? am I putting myself at considerably more risk by taking a slightly higher dose for (2)?

Appreciate any comments
 
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Just to add I am very healthy. I exercise 5 times per week and have a pretty solid diet
 
lol you summary is not that much shorter.... but yeah, you could roll in two weeks if you think you NEED to... although I would do whatever possible to find another drug to replace it. The comedown might be a bit harsh but if you're taking such long breaks you ought to be fine.

I find 45 days at the minimum and hopefully around 60 days to be best. Of course, the longer you wait the safer you are and the better your rolls will be
 
I would usually take half of however much I was planning on taking for the night right away, then one hour later take the other half.

I feel like the first dose is still in full effect as the second dose kicks in and it is a pretty sweet feeling

unless if you only had like 150mgs or less, than I'd just take it all at once

so ideally it would be about 200-240 mgs total, split into two 100-120 mg doses
 
Oh, yeah. The dose. 180 is much more intense than 140 + 40mg.. the redose usually only adds to the duration and nothing to the intensity. I find a 150mg dose with a 75mg redose to be around perfect

The first dose is always the most important, after that tolerance kicks in and no matter how much more you take the effects don't really get any stronger




Check this thread
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/657228-Six-Simple-Rules-To-MDMA
 
everyone must find their own preference really, but Folleys method would definitely give you a more intense peak, albeit the comedown will hit you faster
 
taking again 2 wks after your first dose is not going to cause you any damage. you might have a worse come down and longer recovery period but even that isn't too likely. you are new to MDMA and the bad effects come after repeated use . as long as you do not make a habbit of using that close together you will be fine.

170-180mg in one go will be a more intense trip. 150mg + a booster dose and hour or so into it will make the experience last longer but not really any more intense. If you are looking to extend you experience to the longest time possible without exagerating the side effects, taking you initial dose with a bootser an hour after is you best bet. The is some disscusion of redosing being more nuerotoxic but I don't really know. but the more MDMA you take in a night the worse the come downs and recover times are going to be. you will also be building a higher tolerance to the drug redosing.

I personally would stick with 150mg and no redose. no sense in building a tolerance too quickly and if you start now you will only be chasing the dragon. IMO the first time you take a bigger dose, the smaller dose is not going to be enough any more. so if you are good with 150mg, stay there. keep you doing schedule as best as you can to once every 2-3 months and don't go eating dose after dose trying to stay higher longer and MDMA will treat you nicely.
 
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lol you summary is not that much shorter.... but yeah, you could roll in two weeks if you think you NEED to... although I would do whatever possible to find another drug to replace it. The comedown might be a bit harsh but if you're taking such long breaks you ought to be fine.

I find 45 days at the minimum and hopefully around 60 days to be best. Of course, the longer you wait the safer you are and the better your rolls will be
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yeah sorry it just kind of turned out that way, it has slightly less rambling in it though. I am not a gifted writer.

I was hoping I could get away with a 2 week break just this once. It will be the only time I would ever leave such a small space inbetween rolls

Next year I plan to stick to once every 3 months

I dont know what other drug I could use and Im not that experienced with a wide range of drugs. When I drink I will want to leave by about 2am and drinking often doesnt turn out too well for me at an event like this. I do have a fairly wide range available to me I am just not experienced with them.

Ive got 2 weeks to make a decision (Im kind of edging towards not going) but right now I am thinking about just doing another 150mg dose and leaving it at that? Do you think that if I were to roll in 2 weeks time that would be the safest option? Do you think increasing the dose slightly would just be a bad idea? Does a 20-30mg increase make a noticeable difference.

Appreciate the response.
 
hey man I took ecstasy three times in one week when I first started taking it, and look how I turned out! But seriously, 2 weeks will be cool if its only your second time, worst case scenario you just will feel a little odd for the next day or two after.
 
- I took 150mg my first time and had an amazing time. My more experienced friends took 170mg/180mg and they seemed to have a longer peak than me. I am much bigger than these guys. Would an increase in dose of 20-30mg produce a big difference?
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Quite a difficult thing to speculate on but 20-30mG of decent product would of course make some difference. As to how much too many variables for anyone to give you an accurate answer.

- I read that it is good to take a dose of about 150mg followed by a small redose of 40-50mg one hour after the first dose. I am guessing this would be more intense than 1 180mg dose and so possibly more dangerous?
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I always liked to have main dose + redose. Its a personal thing that you should experiemt with and choose for yourself.

- Is it more of a risk to redose rather than take one dose or is it just about the total amount you take?
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Lots of discussion about this but the current belief is that anything redosing puts your brain under more strain than all at once. I would point out however this is quite debatable. I think the main point is you decide on a HR dose and dont go above that. I think it would be safe to say the higher the overall dose the greater the risk of neurotoxicity.

- Do you think I should just stick to the 150mg dose for (2) and leave any tinkering with doses for another time due to the short duration between (1) and (2)? am I putting myself at considerably more risk by taking a slightly higher dose for (2)?
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For the short break between roles yes stick with the 150mG. Advise you pre load with 5HTP one week before + multivitamins. Your healthy lifestyle will ensure a nice roll even with a short 2 week break and a cap off on 150mG.

Dont do it too often.. lol

I just want to enjoy the drug in the most responsible way I can and try to minimize any risks. Its something I dont want to abuse so Im trying to be cautious.
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You seem to have it nicely figured out just be sure to test the product with a test kit and bar the two week gap everything else you have listed is text book HR.

Finally I would personally stick with MDMA despite the two week gap. You could try an RC such as methylone 4FA or 6APB. You could even try the 2C range.
 
Hey guys really appreciate the responses. I am going to use again in 2 weeks time but I think I will just stick to a single 150mg again. I just hope I still have an awesome time and dont have some kind of tolerance already (I dont really know how fast tolerance builds up). If I can reach a similar high to this past weekend I would be so happy. The temptation for a higher dose is definitely there (180mg like my friends) because I know Im taking a lengthy break after that night but perhaps its for the best I just stick to 150mg.

I think I will experiment with a larger dose/redosing in the future after my 4 1/2 month break.

I do have pretty strong willpower the only issue is that alot of my friends use fairly often and are very happy I am using so Im getting invited to alot of awesome events. I think Ill be able to stay sensible though.

To be honest I appreciate these responses also because I feel they are pretty positive and I read alot of horror stories and negative stories on here which make me concerned. Thats probably a good thing in the end though but its nice to feel a bit of positivity about mdma. I feel like using about 4 times per year will provide me with some awesome and memorable experiences and hopefully keep risks to a minimum. I know for sure that I will never forget last night.

Doing it twice in two weeks will definitely not be a common occurence, I dont think Ill do it again

thanks again
 
To be honest I appreciate these responses also because I feel they are pretty positive and I read alot of horror stories and negative stories on here which make me concerned. Thats probably a good thing in the end though but its nice to feel a bit of positivity about mdma. I feel like using about 4 times per year will provide me with some awesome and memorable experiences and hopefully keep risks to a minimum. I know for sure that I will never forget last night.
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I would say the conclusions you have drawn from what you have read on the site are spot on. You are aware of the worst case scenario, you have consulted the forum along with your own ideas and I think what you are planning has minimised risks.

The last point is dont forget to test the product cause you can kiss goodbye to any HR planning if you take an unforgiving coctail. We dont want to see you as the OPs in a long term comedown support thread :)
 
Alright so its been 2 weeks and I did it again last night.

I took a 160mg dose just because thats what ended up happening

I think it might be because my stomach was completely empty but I had an amazing night. The peak was longer and harder than last time and I had a way better experience (maybe also because I knew what to expect). Got into a place on the dancefloor and I couldnt move for a while. I was just standing there with my eyes closed listening to the music, it was really intense. I smoked some weed when i got back home and it was really nice. Did not hallucinate this time, perhaps because I didnt smoke as much as last time I dont know.

I am going to do my best to keep to my limit which means not doing it more than 2 more times this year. I think this will be manageable as there will be a few months where I just wont be able to.

I dont want to make anymore threads so i thought I would just keep updating this thread, kind of like a log and add any questions I have.

- So first time 150mg 2 weeks ago. Awesome night. Felt an "afterglow" for a few days after I think
- Last night 160mg of the same stuff on a completely empty stomach. Peaked longer and harder than before. Had a better time due to this and also knowing what to expect. I feel really chilled and content today. Really lazy. Kind of like when youre relaxing on a beach but Im not on the beach now. I dont want to speak too soon as its only been a few hours but it feels kind of similar to the afterglow I got last time.

Only thing I need to do is test the product in the future because I did not test this batch

I dont think I will experiment with redosing until next year.

I met some people last night who were on half a gram, they say because they do it so often. There is no way I want to end up like that. I dont think i would want to go much above 200mg over the course of the night
 
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EmDeeEmAye said:
Alright so its been 2 weeks and I did it again last night.

I took a 160mg dose just because thats what ended up happening

I think it might be because my stomach was completely empty but I had an amazing night. The peak was longer and harder than last time and I had a way better experience (maybe also because I knew what to expect). Got into a place on the dancefloor and I couldnt move for a while. I was just standing there with my eyes closed listening to the music, it was really intense. I smoked some weed when i got back home and it was really nice. Did not hallucinate this time, perhaps because I didnt smoke as much as last time I dont know.

I am going to do my best to keep to my limit which means not doing it more than 2 more times this year. I think this will be manageable as there will be a few months where I just wont be able to.

I dont want to make anymore threads so i thought I would just keep updating this thread, kind of like a log and add any questions I have.

- So first time 150mg 2 weeks ago. Awesome night. Felt an "afterglow" for a few days after I think
- Last night 160mg of the same stuff on a completely empty stomach. Peaked longer and harder than before. Had a better time due to this and also knowing what to expect. I feel really chilled and content today. Really lazy. Kind of like when youre relaxing on a beach but Im not on the beach now. I dont want to speak too soon as its only been a few hours but it feels kind of similar to the afterglow I got last time.

Only thing I need to do is test the product in the future because I did not test this batch

I dont think I will experiment with redosing until next year.

I met some people last night who were on half a gram, they say because they do it so often. There is no way I want to end up like that. I dont think i would want to go much above 200mg over the course of the night
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Whilst I'm not recommending you do it more often, but only doing it 4 times a year is a bit overkill for me. The neurotoxicity of MDMA tends to be over exaggerated due to that highly unscientific studies that were carried out on it in the late 80s.

I've been taking MDMA for 7 years (with a 2 year break in between), and probably have it every 2 or 3 weeks. I don't get a comedown (in the depressed sense of the word), I've not lost the magic, and I really don't think MDMA is as neurotoxic as its made out to be!
 
When I first started doing ecstasy I did it once a week. I'm not saying you'll have better or worse luck, but I didn't get a "comedown" until my 12th time.
 
Sounds like you've had some good times emdeeemaye, sound a lot like me 4 years ago when I started. Quickly checking bluelight to learn check, going to uni so don't wish to abuse and abide HR check, getting invited to more events instantly check.
As far as not hallucinating this time is not surprising. Whilst MDMA is a psychadelic it takes high doses to hallucinate off (Considerably less from MDA - which is very similar to MDMA), but these hallucinations are mild, normally just sensory enhancements, rarely true hallucinations. As far as dosing the best guide for correct dose is 100mg + 1-2mg/kg depending on how strong you want to go. Although I tend not to advise people doing over 180 straight up as it would be quite intense, but pretty much next time you roll if you go 180mg straight up it will be intense but a lot of fun and you still have wiggle room to re-dose upto 100mg because you are a larger person.

At dan88, yeah I have plenty of friends who roll roughly every 3 weeks and it makes little difference, but once in awhile you should give yourself a more substantial break. I remember reading that it takes around 3 months for all your serotonin to replenish but 90% of it is in the first three weeks, it's only the last little bit that takes the extra 2 months. So obviously re-dosing every 2 weeks will catch up on you sooner or later, but with a proper every once in awhile all should be fine.

If you have any questions emdeeemaye feel free to private message me once you're a bluelighter, I'm always happy to help out new people who want to do the right thing when it comes to MDMA =)
 
Alright so Ive done it for the third time last night.

I took 150mg because that is all I had. Took it on a fairly empty stomach. This was not from the usual source unfortunately. I feel like this wasnt actually MDMA or was just very weak stuff. So this was obviously untested once again, however I have ordered a testing kit today so when I do this next it will be for sure.

Everything was going as usual/expected. I bombed it. I waited about 30 minutes and started feeling like I was coming up. At around the one hour mark I was feeling pretty good (like I was definitely coming up) and was expecting to hit me nicely fairly soon so I went into the venue and started dancing. However from here on for the next 2 hours I was kind of in and out of being sober. The music wasnt hitting me that much and there was no peak or incredible feelings and sensations (for example usually touching my clothes feels incredible but not this time). So it was like periods of feeling a buzzed and then being feeling sober for a few minutes. So for the whole night I kind of had a light buzz. got a bit tired aswell. People who took the same stuff as me reported similar feelings (they are all at varying levels of experience with MDMA)

While the MDMA experience was weak in comparison to the previous 2, it was still quite pleasant and the day after I am feeling quite content. The night was still really good for me because the music was awesome and I was with good people. I am guessing this was either weaker product than previously or not actually MDMA (I am not asking for a substance ID).

Whether I like it or not I will not have access to MDMA for i think atleast 5-6 weeks and even then the break might be longer. Anyway the past 5 weeks have been great and Ive got some awesome memories which make me smile just thinking about them.

I have found that I have changed alot in the past 1-2 months with regards to my views on MDMA (as you may have noticed reading the earlier posts in this thread). I feel like through reading and experiencing I have learnt alot and I am slightly more open to its use however I am still treading with caution

The one thing I can thank MDMA for is that it has opened me up to EDM, previously I didnt care much for it but now I can enjoy good EDM whether I am rolling or not and I am loving it. I actually went to an event sober a few weeks ago and had a blast.

I really do appreciate the responses to this thread and I appreciate this website overall. Thank you
 
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