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I've been ITCHING to do X/Molly....thanks for this

Futura do you think that constantly banging on about how bad your feeling is not helping you achieve a positive outlook, and by repeatedly going over the same thoughts of "I'm depressed", "I'm have a long-term comedown" (a Bluelight term), "I suffer anxiety", "my memory is failing" you are just enforcing these ideas further into your mindset.
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So you ask me to comment about a possible cause that is making me suffer the symptoms I do ie testosterone or lack of, you bump it and repeat again because my response wasnt fast enough then when I do respond you say the above. Seems you wanted a response and when you got it you didnt like it. I see not any of effort was made to refer to any of the comments I submitted. Rather than focussing all your time critisizing me or trying to put me down why dont you say something positive yourself.

Your on here what feels like every day repeating the same negative shit. Maybe take a break, go get some serious exersize (one of the best anti-depressants) and try and pull yourself out of the impending doom mindset.
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If only things were that simple. I see you refer to the concept of longterm comedown as a "Bluelight Term". Well lets all be thankful that not everyone takes this attitude I suppose your theory goes "just because I havent suffered why should anyone else". Certainly an interesting attitude to adopt on an HR forum I can only assume it must be a good buzz slagging off people who are suffering.

Have a read about using ketamine as an anti-depressant. Very interesting and there are many reports on bluelight about very positive anti-depressant effect of K.
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Yes ketamine is an NMDA receptor antagonist I have been reading about it very recently infact. However there are other NMDA receptor antagonists out there such as antipsychotics that I would say would be a lot less unpredictable than involving oneself in consuming dissacoiates such as K. I have been through pretty much every antidepressant medication out there and have made the decision now to not take any further medication.


Its got to work better than typing the same posts day in day out.
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interesting you mention about me repeating oneself.

Futura do you think that constantly banging on about how bad your feeling is not helping you achieve a positive outlook
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Your on here what feels like every day repeating the same negative shit.
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Its got to work better than typing the same posts day in day out.
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Does explain why you keep repeating yourself over and over in multiple threads.
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Mmmm perhaps you should practice what you preach before you keep repeating yourself LOL.
 
Jonnavi said:
I wish i woulda just been a methaddict lolls!
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Being an ex-meth addict, that's fucking idiotic to say... sorry Jo, but it is. That's like saying you'd rather have crippling depression... oh wait, you do that too :\



Very insulting for someone who actually deals with these problems. They are NOT easy problems, and fucking tear your life apart. Your symptoms are EXTREMELY mild compared to really everyone else, you should be happy you have the symptoms that you do and that you aren't worried about ending your own life 24/7.



There is nothing "lolls" about meth addiction. NOTHING.
 
Futura..

ok mate will i start quoting you repeating yourself? No, as Im wanting to get things done this weekend.

I'll not mention again that your covering the same ground although I guarantee you'll pop up in a dozen other threads that i'll read. I can only imagine you'll tire of discussing the same topic. I very much doubt Im the only one reading ED that shares my boredom of your repetition.

I ve suggested a few things, like a testosterone drop and using K, but your so focused on your crusade of self pity and gloom that these suggestions dismissed.

Maybe you have fucked yourself up for good? There, I ve said it. What now??

I do feel sorry for your physical and mental state, it does not sound nice but it almost like your wanting someone on here to come up with a solution to your predicament. Well its not going to happen. Your going to have to ride it out like any other comedown.........

There was someone here said it took 8 years to finish their "long term comedown" - if you believe that.
 
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Being an ex-meth addict, that's fucking idiotic to say... sorry Jo, but it is. That's like saying you'd rather have crippling depression... oh wait, you do that too :\



Very insulting for someone who actually deals with these problems. They are NOT easy problems, and fucking tear your life apart. Your symptoms are EXTREMELY mild compared to really everyone else, you should be happy you have the symptoms that you do and that you aren't worried about ending your own life 24/7.



There is nothing "lolls" about meth addiction. NOTHING.
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Oh sorry to have hurt your feelings but I think you still have no idea what my symptom is and you never will. Mild really mild like somethin is happening in your head and you have no idea what it is? I would rather have depression at least I know I can deal with it and you know it's depression? Btw I am not insulting you or any methaddicts as this is an exaggeration I dont think any of you will have the balls to go to work if you had my symptoms!

Anyhow I am not here to argue with anyone but to think of how many times you have reacted to my posts I think it's about time I say somethin eh? If there is someone who has been insulting I think it would be you since you think most of us here on ED who are suffering from a bad comedown are just making up our symptoms

Peace!
 
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Jonnavi said:
I dont think any of you will have the balls to go to work if you had my symptoms!
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That's a funny joke. I've dealt with head pressure, faint feelings and extreme mood swings for years now. Hell, I feel "dizzy" right now. The room is spinning, ever so slightly... you know what I do? I ignore it. I can't tell you how many times I've stood up real fast and almost passed out from the blood rush.. but I don't let it ruin my life.



If you can "deal with it", it's not depression. That's plain and simple. Unless you are pointing a shotgun to your head every week with your finger on the trigger, trying to think of ANY excuse not to end it all right now... you don't know what I've gone through either.
 
Folley said:
That's a funny joke. I've dealt with head pressure, faint feelings and extreme mood swings for years now. Hell, I feel "dizzy" right now. The room is spinning, ever so slightly... you know what I do? I ignore it. I can't tell you how many times I've stood up real fast and almost passed out from the blood rush.. but I don't let it ruin my life.



If you can "deal with it", it's not depression. That's plain and simple. Unless you are pointing a shotgun to your head every week with your finger on the trigger, trying to think of ANY excuse not to end it all right now... you don't know what I've gone through either.
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Well am I not dealing with my symptom as well? I haven't quit work have I not? I really don't understand why you are starting this argument.. You assume that my post was making fun of depression or methaddicts when it is merely a hyperbole. As you have said yourself I don't know what you've gone through either and you don't know what I am going through so can we just end it at that? If my post has triggered some issues you are dealing with I apologize.
 
ok mate will i start quoting you repeating yourself? No, as Im wanting to get things done this weekend.
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You can quote what ever you like - however, you were the one initially complaining about repitition not me :)

I'll not mention again that your covering the same ground although I guarantee you'll pop up in a dozen other threads that i'll read. I can only imagine you'll tire of discussing the same topic. I very much doubt Im the only one reading ED that shares my boredom of your repetition.
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So you have just made another complaint above about me repeating myself and you repeat yourself again. Awesome! I have never heard such a ridiculous form of hypocracy in all my life. Keep digging that hole my friend LOL.

I ve suggested a few things, like a testosterone drop and using K, but your so focused on your crusade of self pity and gloom that these suggestions dismissed.
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If you really think refusing to take K on a longterm comedown or disagreeing with your self diagnostics about me means a crusade of self pity and gloom then thats upto you. I quite simply disagree with you nothing more.

Personally if I dont agree with someone then I will discuss with them the points and explain why. Hurling abuse at someone becuase they dont agree with you in this way is just in my eyes moronic.

Maybe you have fucked yourself up for good? There, I ve said it. What now??
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I am not sure what exact point you are making here but based on all the insults and hypocracy you sound pretty fucked up yourself.

I do feel sorry for your physical and mental state, it does not sound nice but it almost like your wanting someone on here to come up with a solution to your predicament. Well its not going to happen. Your going to have to ride it out like any other comedown.........
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How sweet and caring of you sorry if I sense an element of sarcasm.

Seems weird you are so hung up on the idea of people discussing their problems in a Harm Reduction forum.

I noticed your recent post suggesting the forum should be relabelled "Ecstasy Damage Discussion". I would say looking at all the nonsense and garbage you have written here I would say this title is spot on.

There was someone here said it took 8 years to finish their "long term comedown" - if you believe that.
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Another repeat from the last post wow and you acuse me of repeating myself.

Well as you said in your last post "long term comedown" you think is a bluelight term I suppose this and the above is to somehow undermine the suffering people are going through. Think what you want about longterm come downs the people suffering know the reality of the situation.

The fact that you are not suffering yourself and as a result disbelieve others is a true sign of narrow minded ignorance. More fool you.
 
We'll just have to agree that we don't see eye to eye.

Im off to enjoy myself :p

keep us all posted if you manage to recover.

swedge
 
But futura seriously you are going to be a great MOD. You don't just pick on a post and start a senseless argument and assume what the Bl'er is trying to say. You say it as it is with valid points I really admire you for that!
 
^ You got my vote as well futura. You've always been extremely compassionate and supportive to the people coming on BL for help.

Judging by the increasing number of posts from people complaining of physical/psychological issues, maybe BL should have a mod specifically for mdma-damage related posts.

Nothing against Folley but a lot of his comments recently have been at best insensitive and at worst condescending and antagonistic. I can imagine it must be frustrating/depressing constantly reading these threads. Fuck if I was healthy I wouldn't wanna read this stuff either. That's why maybe it'd be prudent to have a mod that could relate a little better to these users. Just a thought.

On a side note, this being the internet ridiculousness is bound to ensue. But for the people who complain about comedown threads spreading negative vibes around BL, if you haven't noticed you guys are the ones who come on these threads and start complaining/talking shit.

As far as I've noticed, none of the people suffering from mdxx, go on positive mdma threads and start yelling 'MDMA is poison. How can you enjoy this shit!'

I actually enjoy reading some of the positive experiences people had on mdma/ecstasy. Reminds me of the good times I've enjoyed in life.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't see why BL can't be a place for both the good and the bad. It doesn't bother me if people talk about their good experiences on mdma. Oppositely, I don't see why it should be a problem if people try and help each other out here in difficult times.

MDMA being an empathogen, you'd think you'd see a little more empathy on these boards.
 
I do have a bias. Everyone does.
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No shit sherlock! The only issue being some more than others.

Unfortunately the mod position does seem to have gone to your head somewhat and the concept of being impartial seems to have escaped your methodology.

Instead we have a trail of sweeping and arrogant comments, unnecessarily closed down posts, rules modified to fit your criteria and recently the creation of a survey to promote MDMA use and demonstrate that suffering is a trivial minority. We even have a patronising commentary from you throughout the survey reminding users of how trivial the suffering vote is.

And yes, MDMA is VERY SAFE, so is alcohol, WHEN USED RESPONSIBLY
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Comparing MDMA to alcohol is a lame argument. Its kind of like the overdosing of rats in a single survey or a poster that quotes that MDMA causes holes in the brain. A mantra that gets repeated on here like a hurd of sheep. The main issue with this argument is 99% of the population consume it vs the chicken feed percent that consume MDMA. The drugs are totally different this really is no comparison to suggest MDMA is safe.

If you recall Dawglaw recently consumed a "responsible" amount of MDMA which drove him into DP/DR and anxiety.

What would be the more appropiate message here?

MDMA is VERY SAFE when used RESPONSIBLY.

Even when using MDMA in a responsible way an awarness of caution must still be out there.

If you do wish MDMA to be used in a responsibe manor I think you should reconsider your current bias MDMA glorification attempts that have clearly split the forum down the middle.

If we could leave sufferers threads alone rather than grouping into a MEGA thread as you have proposed to try and prevent the forum from being too depressing.

Perhaps troll threads like "Thank god this forum didnt like this 15 years ago" could be less supported rather than encoraged and maybe morons like this can be supported to write about positive threads IF that is exactly what they desire.

Quite honestly though judging by some of the abuse above from Swedger directed at me I suspect a lot of it is boredom and deep down an element of sadistic fun is had by tormenting sufferers in this way.


Look at whats happening to the forum! Every thread is turning into argument over MDMA glorification vs Sufferer.

As pointed out in the post above from xyak we dont go into cuddle puddle and start slagging off people having fun on MDMA. However, every support thread gets posts that ignore the requests from the op and go on some tarade about MDMA couldnt possibley have caused their suffering, you are the idiot/child who has consumed this coctail / get some exercise get over it.

You can either continue your current stance of supporting the negativity towards sufferers or you can actually do what you are supposed to be doing and despite your own personal bias views try and be more impartial and supportive.

Its in your hands. Good luck.
 
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