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MXE and the zonk

Well i had the sensation of soaring upwards, maybe the screamers stay up there a while and then get the sensation they are hurtling down to earth and their certain deaths and thats why they scream ?

I dont see how cathartic screaming is related to the screaming of falling from a great height though.....:?
 
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hm... sounds a little like some aspects of night terror manifestations. apparently its quite common for people to 'awake' screaming.. or not awake at all, in a sleepwalking-type state, but screaming. often the person will continue screaming for some while, which some folks tend to find can be disturbing to wake up to, oddly enough. sounds kinda similar..ish
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
lol shambles would probably be mortified if he thought an offhand comment he made should put someone off exploring mxe (safely - which you clearly are) he was im'ing large amounts and is a bit weird anyway, you probably shouldnt worry about it too much ;)
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Ha! Yes, he would me actually :D

And ya, it's only ever mentioned in relation to sillyhigh dosing which in turn leads to extended blackouts. This is not a state to be aiming for anyway as is pointless (cos you can't remember anything at all from it) and also potentially a bit iffy (cos you are active and mobile (unlike on ket) and also vocal - this is not such a great combo and especially so if living in close proximity to other people). Is why you really want to avoid going for very high doses. Start reasonably low and top-up with small amounts to suit.
 
My last experience with MXE just before Christmas (before it thankfully became too hard to get hold of) was calling up my grandmother and just repeating "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" (I think I was so terrified I didn't know what else to turn to) until she couldn't get in touch with me anymore and had to call my dad to come and take me to the ER so I spent the night to Christmas eve there.

Apart from that, I can mostly remember having conversations with the Devil, who would tell me anything I wondered about, but in a way that made me feel very dysphoric. Not the drug for me.

But hey, I could easily have been killed.
 
I screamed once on MXE, and it was more of a howl than a scream really. Nothing to worry about if you have understanding, preferably deaf, neighbours!
 
Not the same as the wonk. The wonk is far wonkier. The zonk definitely zonkier.

MXE doesn't affect motor skills anything like as much as the considerably wonkier ketamine. No crabwalking but it does seem to have a rather disconcerting effect on speech. Last big binge I had I mostly felt fine on - quite capable of doing stuff - but if I had to speak to anybody I stuttered like crazy. Really could barely get a sentence out. Quite embarrassing at the shop and incredibly irksome as I had to ring tech support rather a lot due to problems with me intranetz connection at the time. Became clear fairly early on that they had decided I was somewhat special :D

The holes are totally different too. K-Holes are (for me at least) generally rather peaceful affairs - all Travelling the cosmic planes. Whereas M-Holes (again, for me at least) tend to be more chaotic and confusing. And, more of an issue, the mobility thing. On K you are properly anaesthetised - simply cannot move when holed. On MXE you are also anaesthetised but also rather stimulated and quite regularly fully mobile whilst totally blackout holed and doing weird shit.
 
Shambles said:
Not the same as the wonk. The wonk is far wonkier. The zonk definitely zonkier.
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LOL literally. Glad that ones been cleared up. Ive crab walked first time on mxe, but that was just for going up the stairs though. As for venturing out and about to the shops on mxe, fuck no. I wouldnt mind going outside if i lived in the middle of nowhere.
 
Ya, it probably is more impairing at first. Tolerance rises rapidly to MXE (and all dissociatives, unfortunately :() so you quite quickly become perfectly capable of doing stuff on it. Aside from speaking anyway :D
 
Shambles said:
Not the same as the wonk. The wonk is far wonkier. The zonk definitely zonkier.
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Now i know exactly as much as before i asked... I know what the 'wonk' is, but 'zonk'? This sounds like real 'disso talk' to me :\

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Became clear fairly early on that they had decided I was somewhat special :D
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Sounds familiar =D

But this 'speaking issue' is far more pronounced with 3-MeO-PCP/3-MeO-PCE. It's even there after some hours of sleep, and i haven't experienced it to such a degree with MXE, but my doses are mostly somewhat low, so...
 
THCified said:
Now i know exactly as much as before i asked... I know what the 'wonk' is, but 'zonk'? This sounds like real 'disso talk' to me :\
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I did try to elaborate somewhat in the rest of that post. I think "the zonk" is a term that MDB invented but is as good a term as any to describe a fairly strong MXE intoxication. Basically somewhat similar to a kettified wonk only with far less motor skillz impairment and far more energy. With added impulses to do weird dissociated shit whilst blackout holed combined with the ability to carry said impulses out and have zero memory of doing so. I think the "zonk" MDB is meaning is the state before reaching the blackout stage which more closely resembles a k-hole. I find there is some similarity but the m-hole is far less lucid, more chaotic and generally less peaceful. YMMV and all that.
 
I can only repeat/rephrase slightly what i said before, to me, its a feeling of your mind feeling decidedly warped out of its usual state into a zonked buzz, and arriving at somewhere mentally different. I guess there can be good zonks and bad zonks.

On this particular occasion the zonk was absolute bliss and a totally content unworried tranquil deeply happy buzz. Its a sitting back, legs up, eyes closed purely mental thing. I cant remember if this was immediately before i felt like my mind was rocketing upwards out of my body or immediately after that.

Dunno if i can claim to be the inventor of the word, i think ive read or heard other people talking about it.

I did go through a confused stage at one point, but there was no chaos or anything unsettling. The etizolams i took before hand might very well have played a part (who can tell how much) in this feeling of tranquility. The totally at peace thing happened when i first took etiz, but there was no zonk, and this was more intense.

Its also possible that the etizolam caused the zonk to be very brief.

Its very hard to describe all these subjective feelings.
 
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I find benzos utterly pointless (if not downright counterproductive) to combine with dissociatives. Maybe at very low dose they can be kinda chilled but also dull the effects and make it even harder to remember what happened than it already is. If you use benzos habitually I suppose you kinda have to though... but I suspect you would find it easier to find zonky Goodness without the benzos. Or at least keep benzo doses to absolute bare minimum.
 
Zonker Harris, the head in Doonesbury, is not called Zonker for nothing. And he's been around since about 1970.
 
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