burn like blisters after IV suboxone film

[mextex]

I use suboxone, iv been on it for years... our state just maid it mandatory for everyone to be switched to the films. So 8 months ago or so I started to iv use the strips, i have never had any problems befor even when I missed. But now everyday when I iv take my dose. Half way thru my shot it will start to burn an small white burn like blisters will appear, so ill stop an recheck to make sore its still a good hit, an continue on. At that point the white blisters will form up to 4 inches around the original poke will burn an then about 12 hours start itching (if u scratch it blood blisters an then scabs over leaving a huge pit) can anyone tell me why this is happening? Or even better tell me how to make this stop happening?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Are they really blisters (pockets with fluid inside), or are they more like bumps? I'm not quite sure what you mean by "burn-like blisters"

How badly does it burn when you are injecting? Is it just a little burning or is it intense? Are you injecting in the same location each time or does this happen in different locations?

Are you filtering your solution before injecting?

Does it look at all like any of the following photos:

NSFW:

 

[sekio]

this is not advanced discussion

it sounds like your body doesn't like something that's in the strips... that said i would start using a micron filter and see if that helps, or just find a different roa....

 

[mextex]

Hell yah!!!! That looks exactly like it!! Well the first pic dose!!! The burn is intense, I use a new kit every go, and filter every time... and Iuse a diffrent spot every time... my body won't let me reuse spots... been at this too long,

Micron filter??? Is that those silk screan tips that u can attach to the end of the syringe? Is their a way I can make them ?

 

[opiatekrzy]

excuse me for going off topic, but why even bother shooting suboxone period? (whether it's tablet or film), the naloxone is a faster acting anti-agonist than bupe (agonist), meaning the naloxone hits the brain faster and lingers around for around 20mins, while the bupe is filling the receptors, at the same time the naloxone is causing complete blockage of any euphoria at all, by the time the naloxone wears off, the bupe is already in ur receptors and u totally just got blocked any effect from the bupe alone...i may not word it the right way, but im pretty narrow on how this works...now IVing Subutex (which is just buprenorphine HLC) you actually will feel a rush/euphoria because its not mixed with an antagonist like naloxone to rush to the brain before the bupe and cause blockage...i have IVed subutex and had wonderful rushes and euphoria, while i IVed suboxone tablets, and the only benefit i got was saving what little suboxone i got by getting a higher BA by IVing it, half life is all the same, duration is shorter IVing VS sublingual, so instead of putting a whole 8mg under my tongue, i would shoot a quarter (2mg) suboxone, which IV is equal to 8mg sublinigual roughly, duration is much shorter however..but its just not worth it...and the films, thats such a bitch to break down and even waste ur energy doing...my opinion whoever is attempting to shoot films and constantly shooting suboxone pills on the regular still has reservations to the needle and not serious about quitting....there were times i "thought" i felt a rush from shooting suboxone, but it was all in my head, i was coming down from crack, and figured IVing a partial agonist despite it has naloxone in it would help my crack comedown, did it really, NO...just my opinion, sorry if im not making total sense now, i was on methadone for a year, and stopped at 40mg, and switched to suboxone last saturday, and i didnt even give myself 48hrs methadone free for the suboxone switch over (so i went into terrorizing precip W/D's in my sub docs private office in a bed, he got a laugh out of it, here i am 3 days later still feeling precip W/D so my mental is kind of cloudy, excuse me for that!

 

[mextex]

Opiatkraz- i shoot bupe to take the lowest possibal dose...I don't shoot to "get high" as most... an I... would much rather boot a dose once a day(like I have been for years) than smoke crack, or bang a bag a dope... an seeings how the last 7 years that's all iv done... it must be working for me... seeings how iv been tapering off again

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

How are you dissolving these? How are you filtering them?

 

[mextex]

Aprox 50/60cc of water. (2mg strip) an cotton filtters given out by our exchange

 

[Swimmingdancer]

If this is happening every single time and you are rotating injection sites and definitely are not missing any of the shot then it may be a histamine reaction. You could try taking a low dose of an anti-histamine and see if that helps. I haven't had an intense burn from a histamine reaction personally though.

May I ask why exactly you IV them? It wasn't clear to me.

Really I don't think injecting the strips without using a micron filter is a wise idea.

 

[opiatekrzy]

im guessing ppl are IVing suboxone because it has such a poor BA sublingually, and for the films forget putting that up your nose..if i only had 1 sub left, and im used to taking 8mg under my tongue, but cant cuz its my last one i can just shoot a quarter sub (2mg) and with the BA doing IV, 2mg is about almost less or more equivalent to taking a whole 8 sublingually, howeveer duration is much shorter, half life is the same...somewhere around 33% sublingually you absorb an 8mg..IV 2mg, you save more, am i wording this right? my mind is still clouded from precip W/D and being tweaked on addys now... 8mg under tongue = u get roughly 2-3mg metbaolized. if u shoot 2mg, u get 100% BA of the 2mg...

 

[sekio]

No, you can't make them. They are ultrafine filters made for sterilising drugs before injection, that use microscopic pores to filter out particles small enough to block blood vessels.
There are a couple places you can buy them online, and many needle exchanges should have 'em.

See also.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/481622-Micron-Filtering-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ

 

[Tommyboy]

Please don't cross-post. Starting one thread on the topic is plenty. I'm closing this since the other one has more replies.

 

[mextex]

Okay... so 3 of u have menchend these "micron filters" help me out here... my years of wisdom is falling me lol... what are the "micron filters"

 

[Swimmingdancer]

^Check out: Micron Filtering Mega Thread and FAQ

I'm not sure if that will solve your problem or not but it's worth doing (for the health of your veins and body) regardless.

im guessing ppl are IVing suboxone because it has such a poor BA sublingually, and for the films forget putting that up your nose..if i only had 1 sub left, and im used to taking 8mg under my tongue, but cant cuz its my last one i can just shoot a quarter sub (2mg) and with the BA doing IV, 2mg is about almost less or more equivalent to taking a whole 8 sublingually, howeveer duration is much shorter, half life is the same...somewhere around 33% sublingually you absorb an 8mg..IV 2mg, you save more, am i wording this right? my mind is still clouded from precip W/D and being tweaked on addys now... 8mg under tongue = u get roughly 2-3mg metbaolized. if u shoot 2mg, u get 100% BA of the 2mg...

I thought sublingual BA was more like 55%-60%? Anyway, having a higher BA by IV is not enough justification for injecting something, by that logic everyone would inject everything . If it's needle fixation or trying to get a rush that's fine, I was just curious as the OP said they weren't trying to get high. I can understand addiction to the act of injection. I just don't personally think injecting Suboxone films is worth the risks when your goal is maintenance.

 

[opiatekrzy]

agreed

 

[Serotonin101]

Its easier to titrate doses more accurately in a liquid than the solid form. Captain heroin IV'd suboxone for quite some tine, and I believe IM's it now (he microns).

For the poster talking about naloxone blocking bupe... just no. Stop regurgitating false information. Bupe binding affinity is higher than naloxone. Nalxone was a ploy to maintain a patent. If I had for dollar for everytime I heard the "naloxone blocks bupe" argument, there wouldn't need to be bupe or methadone cuz I could pay everyone's dope habit.

 

[tentram]

I thought sublingual BA was more like 55%-60%?

i think you may be mixing this up when you've got a little alcohol under the tongue with the bupe - which increases absorption rate, thus a better BA overall. there's never been any conclusive studies, just anecdotal evidence brought forward by other BLers in the thread about alcohol/bupe absorption by sixpartseven, where people believe it is around twice as efficient; coming to that number.

i was under the impression that sublingual bupe had a BA of around 33-40%.

Its easier to titrate doses more accurately in a liquid than the solid form. Captain heroin IV'd suboxone for quite some tine, and I believe IM's it now (he microns).

still doesn't make it safe at all. pill shouldn't be IM'd at all, micron filtered or not. microns arent the be all end all to IM/IV problems/complications which may arise, though a great preventative.

i wouldn't recommend this practive personally.

 

[bronson]

Please don't cross-post. Starting one thread on the topic is plenty. I'm closing this since the other one has more replies.

This. I just took the time to merge the two threads together for you though, so everything should be good.

 

[opiatekrzy]

than i guess my body is unique then bud? I have IVed suboxone plenty of times, with a delayed onset of 30mins ...unlike IVing subutex (WITHOUT NALXOXONE) i would get an instant rush and euphoria within seconds of shooting straight bupe...im a believer naloxone reaches ur receptors faster then bupe as its faster acting, causing blockage as bupe fills in slowly, blocking any type of immediate onset..i am human.,..and these are my reports of experience, dont dare tell me what i experienced shooting suboxone vs subutex...

 

[tentram]

ive injected subutex, no suboxone and there was definitely pronounced rushes with doses i was taking. smallest being .5mg up to 1 and 2mg. no higher. these were both the 2 n 8mg tabs. dat norbupe.

problem with the 2mg tabs from memory were them being the size of the 8mg tagbs. by no means are they a small nor really medium sized pill. theyve got substantials binders and fillers.