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WD after 4 day binge?

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I haven't had any opiate dependency for going on 2 years now, but over the last few days I've had a bit of a binge and well... WD's have hit, severely.
Is it even possible to WD after just 4 days usage? I always thought it wasn't but my own experience will disagree.
My first, last and until now, only, WD was from 6 months daily use so this is a bit of a shock.
Any advice?
 
Well yeah, it's possible, not quite sure what else to say. Just do the usual stuff really, at least you know psychological WDs won't be nearly as bad as what you've been through in the past :)
 
What drug exactly? And how much were you doing in those 4 days?

4 days straight of shotting H could give you significant WD, no doubt, with it possibly being even worse if you have ever been thru heavy dependency and withdrawal before (search for "opiate withdrawal kindling" for more on this phenomenon).
 
I - and plenty other ex-addicts - have noted this effect. The more you have used opies in the past, the quicker w/d effects show up - even from very brief and limited use. I get very noticeable w/d effects after just a coupla days use of any strong opi these days. Also get (what at least subjectively feels like) pretty full-on w/d effects from relatively limited, short-term use of minor opies too. Whether these effects are largely psychological I could not say. Subjectively it feels identical to any other opi w/d I've ever had though. Is another shitty side-effect from longterm use of opies it seems :/

On the plus side, the more w/d you go through the more used to it you get so - in some ways at least - can cope easier. On the minus side, the w/ds seem to become worse each time you go through them so even though you are more prepared for 'em you - in some ways at least - can't cope easier :/

Only thing I can suggest to mitigate these effects is to taper from any opies you use now. Even if you are only "properly" using for a few days. Is a pain in the arse but I've just gotten used to trying to ensure I have enough for a few days of fun with enough left over for a very rapid taper down. Either that or stick to one-off use - no more than a day or two at most and ideally literally one-off use with decent gaps between instances. Is what I do anyway.
 
Pagey said:
, at least you know psychological WDs won't be nearly as bad as what you've been through in the past :)
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is that right ? never heard that before, it will be a massive comfort if true, as thats what got me when i cold turkeyed after a few months on daily odt after it ran out, never to be seen again. :( Why wont the psych side be as bad then ? I heard that the physical side hits harder every time you go into wd.
 
SproutOnSmack said:
I haven't had any opiate dependency for going on 2 years now, but over the last few days I've had a bit of a binge and well... WD's have hit, severely.
Is it even possible to WD after just 4 days usage? I always thought it wasn't but my own experience will disagree.
My first, last and until now, only, WD was from 6 months daily use so this is a bit of a shock.
Any advice?
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In one word "Yes"

Shambles pretty much covered the inns n outs in his post . I'm just saying that from personal experience .
 
In times when i didnt have a habit a 20 bag .4 would result in me having that amazing sleep you get followed by a night of no sleep and groggyness.x4 days of hitting it hard would deffo fuck me up.....like the other op said the longer youve been on it the worse the wd's are and the quicker they come on
 
And thank you BL for teaching me something else about drugs. An observed phenomenon that's obviously true.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
is that right ? never heard that before, it will be a massive comfort if true, as thats what got me when i cold turkeyed after a few months on daily odt after it ran out, never to be seen again. :( Why wont the psych side be as bad then ? I heard that the physical side hits harder every time you go into wd.
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I would say it's true. The psychological w/d effects are far more prominent when stopping from extended use. Presumably cos it takes longer to cause the physical changes to how yer brain is wired (and also how you see yourself and your "relationship" with opies (read: how intrinsic they become to daily life) whereas the physical side is more or less unavoidable with any use of opies after a while. And yeah, the physical stuff does seem to get nastier each time but - as mentioned - familiarity does make the physical stuff - if not ever any easier - kinda par for the course as it's basically always the same symptoms just to varying degrees of intensity. The psychological stuff is definitely way worse after prolonged use. Not to say it's ever exactly pleasant, mind. Just nowhere near as intense from short-term binging.
 
I know for a fact that GBL/GHB withdrawals get worse and worse, with every use. At first, I could manage a litre, 24/7, with only a day or two of not sleeping properly. That amount would now require hospitalisation/heavy medication (anti-psychotics, phenibut, baclofen, benzos, booze, pregabalin, or all of those). The brain definitely gets used to depressant abuse, and starts abusing you back. It's like a learned behaviour, which tells you to fucking stop, because your brain learns how to reject such abuse. In primitive life, the only way to warn you may be by presenting you with horrible withdrawals, so you stop ingesting whatever substance changes your brain chemistry so radically. That's my theory; your brain is fucking angry at having to up and down-regulate receptors, on a constant basis.
 
Shambles said:
On the plus side, the more w/d you go through the more used to it you get so - in some ways at least - can cope easier. On the minus side, the w/ds seem to become worse each time you go through them so even though you are more prepared for 'em you - in some ways at least - can't cope easier :/
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^^This is so true - I've spent hours trying to get my head round this paradox (and failed). I now realise that your first rattle is the easiest - if you get through that one ok, fer christsake DON'T go back to it thinking 'well I've done it once so I know what to expect now' - that's just a way of justifying your relapse (I know cos I done it several times now). Once you know exactly what to expect, then you torture yourself by looking for all the symptoms, and you end up attributing every slightest sniffle, or ache or pain, to withdrawal. It seems like the psychological addiction gets worse with every habit, and that's the one that's hardest to break...
 
I don't know, I blow through my opioid script each month usually in about a week, and have hardly any withdrawal syndrome to speak of for the effort. Course, I've been through so many rattles that it isn't such a big deal to me anymore, maybe a few days of discomfort, but nothing like right and proper heroin withdrawals from a six month run or whatnot.

Hope you get to feeling better!
 
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