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MXE and the zonk

mydrugbuddy

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i couldn't find an MXE thread on EADD despite googling and browsing back several pages. Never sure whether to start a new thread or reserect an old one.....if you can find it

On my 4th try MXE went down well, i know what everyone means by getting a good zonk now. It was bliss, but passed far too quickly. Like two minutes. Stingy Fucker. How do you prolong the zonk ?

On the comedown i made the great leap forward to an understanding of the basis of all my problems. And have written them down and voice recorded them. I hope it all feels just as profound in the morning when im back to baseline, and not just mental babble.

The difference was my mental state going into it. I think if you take it feeling anything less than mentally strong and untroubled it wont be enjoyable. I took 3 doses of 10-20mg about an hour apart. I could see myself getting attached to this and taking stronger doses now im mentally better.

Only thing is cigarettes felt great on it, and im trying to give those fuckers up....

How does one prolong the 'zonk' ? Simply take higher doses ? What doses would experienced MXE users recommend ? (I dont think Im ready for 'the hole' yet)
 
What is the "zonk"??

mydrugbuddy said:
The difference was my mental state going into it. I think if you take it feeling anything less than mentally strong and untroubled it wont be enjoyable. I took 3 doses of 10-20mg about an hour apart. I could see myself getting attached to this and taking stronger doses now im mentally better.
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I've taken it when ruined with grief and found it helped me get things in some sort of perspective. I've also taken it when happy but slightly uneasy and had a horrible uncomfortable time. It can vary. I actually don't like to take it when I'm really happy, as then I just get pissed off at not being able to interact with the world around me.


knock made a "where's the xxx thread?" sticky which is great for finding threads:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/580066-Methoxetamine-Thread-v2

edit -- it's never been profound for me the next day. Ketamine scribbles are great to read -- mxe scribbles are just "uhh?"
 
best way - don't take it regularly. With tolerance the zonk will get shorter every time...
 
High doses can last aaaaaaaaages. Especially if you stagger 'em. Only works with tolerance though or you'll just black out and blacking out on MXE is a bit shit cos you are highly mobile and active. Tends to involve lotsa screaming too for some reason. With low tolerance you're probably best off taking an initial biggish dose then topping up with small ones every hour or so, maybe.

I've been mexxed to the gills for days - actually weeks :o - at a stretch before. Was IMing 300-350mg (or more) at fairly regular intervals though which probably ain't too wise. I had a helluva tolerance to all dissociatives though and dissociative tolerance is an absolute bitch and takes forever to fade. Toucan is spot on - don't get into the habit of regular use cos you will just end up needing ridiculous amounts to get anything off :\
 
i dont think you mentioned what dose you kicked off with - though if it was anything like the average bluelighter, it probably involved a week long debate between 5 and 10mg.. eventually opting to throw caution to the wind with a huge, insane 15mg - but.. if you want a decent breakthrough and did anything less than 50 first time around, try 120mg or so intranasal. mxe can be beautiful but tolerance develops very quickly (hence how shambles ended up at the level he did) thus theres no point fucking about with titrated miniscule amounts. as per usual, an empty house surrounded by all provisions necessary for 24hours is to be recommended. also - hide the rest of your mexy away, for as night follows day if nearby, you will awake next morning to an empty sealy bag and/or a large pile of powder trodden into your carpet


music is a personal choice - some find it annoying and tinny, others say it helps the trip along. good luck


Shambles said:
tends to involve lots of screaming too
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:D
 
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I once tried 70mgs after 9 or 10 grams of kratom and thought i will be stuck in this plane of existance forever. I wanted it to end, though some parts were amusing. I was only expecting three or four hours, but am certain the kratom trebled that. Also my eyes were pinned to fuck and i kept checking the mirror at work to see if my pupils had returned. Basically returned to earth worktime, but felt i was walking on springs.
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
Its a feeling of being mentally warped into a totally at ease state of mind.
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Ok, got you!!

I'm afraid I personally don't know how to prolong that. I don't even know how to reliably get there. For me it depends massively on my state of mind going in, and what's been weighing on it. It doesn't sound very profound now: but my most profound moment with MXE was realising that the reason I don't have a boyfriend or any close friends is that I'm not ready to let anyone in, and that I use drugs as a barrier (a secret, which so long as someone doesn't know about, they can never really know me). I wrote it down, and the next day I thought "duh? I already knew that". On mxe it seemed so simple though -- like I had nothing to feel bad about, because this was the choice I'd made. Sober -- it's not quite that simple, and drugs are not the only reason I won't let anyone get close.

I think it's like having a revelation on psyches -- it may happen, it may not. And like that, I reckon some people are able to make something useful out of the truths they find there, but many others just get fucked. There's nothing profound about thinking something profound when you're fucked. What makes it profound is if you make it mean something in your life. If you soberly use the fucked momentum to explore the idea and find real meaning in it, that's something important and amazing.

I'm a pro at prolonging the "afterglow" - where you dance to every bit of music that you hear and feel like turning out the lights and getting some glowsticks out. Again, can't get there reliably, but once I'm there it's 30mg bombs every 2 hours to stay there.

To get me seriously fucked up, it's 20mg up the nose, wait 20 minutes, then a 30mg bomb and 30mg subligually. 80mg through a single ROA doesn't seem to do it -- but multiple ROAs means it hits then hits AGAIN then WTF??? I don't do this anymore -- I find it terrifying. I write down the experience (after, not during -- no way could I have negotiated a pen) and realised what I'd written -- death, blindness, the knowledge that my reality was slipping away and that no one could help me, because the world was just a figment of my mind -- was just like a nightmare.
 
Shambles said:
you'll just black out and blacking out on MXE is a bit shit cos you are highly mobile and active. Tends to involve lotsa screaming too for some reason.
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Good thing you live out in the countryside... the blackout loudness occurred to me (citydweller) multiple times as well, each time when I'd throw something spinny in the mix (GHB, lyrica) :| Pretty frightening for neighbours, police, crisis care, my cat, and the like =D

Those early, manic-ish dissociative "realizations" are cute BTW, try not to pull too hard on them tho.
 
Shamles said:
Tends to involve lotsa screaming too for some reason.
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Yeah, I often came out of an "m-hole" with the feeling that I'd just been shouting at the top of my voice.
What's that all about?!
 
the screaming thing sounds very scary. BHM you guessed almost correctly about my doses, though i wasnt considering 5-10 mg, it was 10- 20 mg. Wow what a difference heh. I think the second and third doses were a bit higher. At one point i had this amazing feeling like my mind was rocketing at a fucking high g factor out of my body. Before that was the confused stage. The main thing was i just felt "bring it on and show me" and wasnt trying to fight it, as i have tended to do with anything remotely trippy. I agree it sounds best not to take it too often, too many perspective shifts too often could send one batty IMO/IME.....
 
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donno, but ive had weirdness coming out of that particular hole also. more than once felt upon 'awakening' as though something was in the room with me/us, along with the sensation of fight or flight, as though i was just scared of something but unable to remember for what reason. end ramble
 
gayorstraight said:
The screaming thing is really putting me off this mxe

Sounds freaky
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Don't let it put you off. Thats talking insanely high doses. Screaming is not normal at normal doses. But yeah, two mates took half a g each by mistake and that apparently involved lots of screaming...and knocking things over/smashing things. Primeval soup and all that.

Normal dose for proper time, non-lightweight = about 50mg. I actually find 45 more functional and more fun. And it is fun. No screaming necessary.

Mind you, haven't done it for a while and mine used to come from an incredibly trusted source. I hear things are different now.
 
gayorstraight said:
The screaming thing is really putting me off this mxe

Sounds freaky
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lol shambles would probably be mortified if he thought an offhand comment he made should put someone off exploring mxe (safely - which you clearly are) he was im'ing large amounts and is a bit weird anyway, you probably shouldnt worry about it too much ;)


never had, or heard of anyone having had the same thing happen myself. of all the reasons not to get into mxe.. spontaneous-screaming is probably down somewhere near the bottom
 
Is weird, I have a mate who has this "purging/catharsis" screaming thing going on when doing high doses of K. Might be related to the instinctive screaming one does when falling or having the sensation of falling? Looks, feels, and sounds like the same type of thing.
 
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