Combinations - Methylone and 25i-NBOMe

[Quazii]

I have sourced 1200ug 25i-NBOMe tabs as well as a good amount of methylone. Would combining these two drugs be potentially dangerous?

Thanks.

 

[EarthBounded]

Yes

 

[Anon610]

Not too sure about Methylone but 25I-NBOMe has a stimulant like effect to it. So if Methylone has that effect, I'd stay away from combining them.

 

[bloodshed344]

No one knows if this is dangerous, not even the guy that said 'yes'.

Anon610 has the right idea.

 

[Quazii]

I've found absolutely no information on this combination. I'm certainly going to avoid it. I can't even find any literature on mixing a full agonist and a reuptake inhibitor/serotonin releaser.

 

[bloodshed344]

I've found absolutely no information on this combination. I'm certainly going to avoid it. I can't even find any literature on mixing a full agonist and a reuptake inhibitor/serotonin releaser.

and even if you had found such literature, it would be relatively useless as the nbomes are not only full agonists, but they have extremely high binding affinities, and overdoses seem to be sporadic and due to some unknown mechanism of action.

The nbomes are not typical psychedelics just as the 2C-Ts, and AMT derivatives aren't.

 

[Clocktower]

Given the still poorly understood and potentially dangerous effects of NBOMe compounds taken alone, combining them with other substances seems unwise.

 

[Quazii]

After speaking with a few people who have tried this combo and after doing some research I have decided to test this out. I will tread carefully and report back my findings.

 

[bloodshed344]

After speaking with a few people who have tried this combo and after doing some research I have decided to test this out. I will tread carefully and report back my findings.

People have died or had worrying symptoms from regular doses of nbomes alone. Other people take doses that are 10-20x greater with little physical complications. Asking people about such a combination will do you no good. These people whom you have asked obviously don't have any formal knowledge of the subject, I mean, you came to a forum dedicated to that and the people here don't know shit about it. You think the people that have done it know any better?

Stop getting high on combinations of the chemicals you're limited to (Because I know you'd choose LSD and MDMA over this any day),you don't know at all what you're fucking getting yourself into, you're being bad to the community.

Think about this, let's say 1 in 1000 people that do 25i-NBOMe die. That number is not correct, by the way, it's for hypothetical purposes.

Now that you know that, you would realize you'd need about 1000 people who have used the combination of 25i and methylone together to know the anecdotal dangers. However, that still wouldn't give you a clue about the dangers of this combination.

Now you should realize the ignorance of your attempts to reassure yourself by asking a small group of people who have done the same reckless thing.

Listen, you don't ask people that have made the mistake you are wanting to do if you should do it, it doesn't make sense.

and I'm sure plenty of people have enjoyed this combo and will enjoy it safely.

However I'm also sure that this combo will cause more deaths than 25i alone, which is a scary thought. It will also probably increase the chances of having an unexpected overdose by whatever mechanism causes nbomes to be so much stronger sometimes from the same dose.

 

[Anon610]

People have died or had worrying symptoms from regular doses of nbomes alone. Other people take doses that are 10-20x greater with little physical complications. Asking people about such a combination will do you no good. These people whom you have asked obviously don't have any formal knowledge of the subject, I mean, you came to a forum dedicated to that and the people here don't know shit about it. You think the people that have done it know any better?

Stop getting high on combinations of the chemicals you're limited to (Because I know you'd choose LSD and MDMA over this any day),you don't know at all what you're fucking getting yourself into, you're being bad to the community.

Think about this, let's say 1 in 1000 people that do 25i-NBOMe die. That number is not correct, by the way, it's for hypothetical purposes.

Now that you know that, you would realize you'd need about 1000 people who have used the combination of 25i and methylone together to know the anecdotal dangers. However, that still wouldn't give you a clue about the dangers of this combination.

Now you should realize the ignorance of your attempts to reassure yourself by asking a small group of people who have done the same reckless thing.

Listen, you don't ask people that have made the mistake you are wanting to do if you should do it, it doesn't make sense.

and I'm sure plenty of people have enjoyed this combo and will enjoy it safely.

However I'm also sure that this combo will cause more deaths than 25i alone, which is a scary thought. It will also probably increase the chances of having an unexpected overdose by whatever mechanism causes nbomes to be so much stronger sometimes from the same dose.

Not doubting you, but can you source where people are dying on normal doses? All the deaths I've seen came from people snorting powder (You can't eyeball ug) and people using NBOMe tincture liquids. Again, not a good method of delivery.
Vendors should be selling these in blotter form with lab results. Only high ranking vendors should get the raw material. Just IMO, but I know that won't happen.

Great point about the statistics though. We just don't have enough information. And honestly we won't unless some crazy psychonaut documents it. But know it is risky, and this forum is for harm reduction. So I strictly advise against combing any RCs with eachother. I have done NBOMe compounds with my benzodiazepines and Cannabis. With little to no effect on my trip.

 

[bloodshed344]

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...nd-time-We-survived-!?p=11577406#post11577406

That's obviously not LSD, my opinion at least. The "dose" is 2 blotters, we have no idea how much that is. Now theres the report of someone on Erowid having to go to the hospital after 500 micrograms. These are relatively normal doses, and while we don't know if they're accurate I've also seen people here on BL report negative symptoms as the threshold effects. IE they can't have an actual trip on it without worrying about serious side effects.

This is all anecdotal though.

 

[Quazii]

I am a rather experienced 25i-NBOMe user. I have dosed many a time ranging from 500ug to 4mg. I have also a handful of methylone experiences under my belt. This wouldn't be my first experience with either. However, you do raise valid points. I will take more time to think about this before embarking on this journey.

On the other hand, what would be the safety implications of say dropping the 25i-NBOMe early in the day and after the effects have worn away dosed on the methylone? Rather than taking them both at the same time or dosing while the 25i-NBOMe is still in effect.

 

[lamanogaucha]

The bottom line is: don't do it. Why? Because it is simply not worth the risk. Is your life really worth gambling it for a high? Please... Come back to your senses. Such a combo is dumb, man! Some people might have tried it and lived to tell the tale, but so what... Really. So freakin' what... Take each on their own. You're no less of a man for it.

 

[Synaesthesia242]

I think it'll work fine. I did 250mg MDMA on the tail end of a quite strong 25i and 25c combo trip. Was great fun. The hangover was fairly brutal but it was a long night! As for the deaths/danger concern, I repeat my personal theory regarding those who have died on NBOMEs: it didn't poison their bodies, they had psychedelic freak outs /siezures and injured themselves. Make sure you are with good friends.

That said I also agree that it's not necessary. NBOMEs are so amazing they're pretty intensely euphoric on their own.

 

[Jeromaya]

I have a friend who did this combo he did 200 mg methylone and I'm unsure about the 25i dose but it was likely between .6 and 1 mg. He had a very high body load during come up and had one or two freak outs during and we just sat him down and gave him a little weed now and then while keeping an eye on him. He enjoyed the part after the come up but before the peak but told us that it was not a great experience.

Pls bear in mind that people get very different reactions to this kind of thing.

 

[Quazii]

I was considering 600ug and 100mg of methylone, then feeling it out dosing more methylone as needed.

 

[bloodshed344]

I think it'll work fine. I did 250mg MDMA on the tail end of a quite strong 25i and 25c combo trip. Was great fun. The hangover was fairly brutal but it was a long night! As for the deaths/danger concern, I repeat my personal theory regarding those who have died on NBOMEs: it didn't poison their bodies, they had psychedelic freak outs /siezures and injured themselves. Make sure you are with good friends.

That said I also agree that it's not necessary. NBOMEs are so amazing they're pretty intensely euphoric on their own.

Your little theory doesn't hold up to numerous examples which I don't feel like pointing out. Check out the link in my last post.

 

[Si Dread]

I don't understand why you'd want to do this combo to be honest. Why not just wait until you get proper acid or some more reserched Psyche to add to your Methylone.

... or, if you REALLY do not want to listen to good advice, halve & halve again your doses. So cut the blotter in quarters & knock the Methylone down to 25mg. Or, you could dose normally on 25i, then add doses of Methylone at, say 20mg, once per hour watching closely for unwanted physical (heart-rate, blood pressure etc) effects.

I am very wary about even threshold dosing of the NBOMe series & I balk at combining these drugs with anything else!

 

[pofacedhoe]

nbome's are dodgy as we know little about them yet

they lack the safety profile of lsd aso consider them in a similar vein to dom/doc/doi

methylone is prone to causing psychosis/paranoia i have found and mixing it with a potentially dangerous (physically) psychedelic seems stupid. go with something more benign like 4aco dmt and methylone which have similar lengths. with methylone and long acting psychedelics you will redose loads or have a shitty comedown while tripping

 

[Si Dread]

From EADD -

A friend of mine had a very serious (fortunately non-fatal due to medical intervention) seizure after unknowingly combining an NMOMe that he presumed was acid, with MDMA. At the hospital they said 7 people have died recently doing something similar. Prohibition seems unlikely to solve this, but it certainly seems true that these are not substances to be taken lightly. Not that any drug is to be 'taken lightly.' But you know what I mean.

They re-dosed what I believe was 25B-NBOMe (I can't be 100% on the variant, but it was one of them) a few hours after the initial dose + an unknown quantity of MDMA. There were no other drugs involved, but I would point towards the possibility of some kind of serotonin crisis. That's purely speculation based on the nature of the combo, obv. I have heard of seizures in connection with NBOMe before on a few occasions, but am unsure of whether other drugs were involved. Even if they aren't likely to cause one alone, the fact that they can do so in combo is also cause for concern of course, given the increasing trend of taking what the media might sensationally refer to as 'a cocktail.'

None of the other people at the party experienced problems, but nobody else re-dosed on NBOMe, they all switched to Ketamine/more MDMA at that point. The person that did redose has never had a seizure before to my knowledge