First cycle

ProfessorMonkey

ProfessorMonkey

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Hi guys,

I know it says this is my first post but i had another account on here that i forgot all the details to so i made this one.
I'm currently reading up to do my first cycle and have decided to do a short one. There are a few reasons for this:

- I like to partake in recreational drug use and I understand taking anything whilst on a cycle is a very bad idea due to increase strain on your heart and body.

- I want to minimise side effects and from what I've read it seems that a short cycle will result in less side effects. The same sources also stated that I would be more likely to keep gains and gain after my cycle this way. (Am i allowed to link to another forum if anyone is interested in this?)

I know a cycle of 2-4 weeks isn't going to get me massive gains but i'm not really worried about that as i'm in it for the long run and want to keep most, if not all of what i gain. I also don't want family to notice a sudden huge increase in size.

I'm 27, about 175lbs at 10% or less BF, 6ft tall. Diet is ok, I have been cutting the past couple of months - I have 4 meals per day and 2 protein shakes (3 on training days). My training schedule is 3x a week on weights HIT and 1x cardio. I've been training for 11 years, but have had periods where i've been ill or some aspect of my training falls short resulting in me going backwards and having to take a break, then slowly get back up to my PRs again. I guess you could call me a hard gainer.

There's a lot of information and conflicting opinions out there and i'm not really sure what i should be doing for my first cycle. I've read that tren isn't normally something a beginner should be taking but that for a really short cycle it's fine. I'm also concerned about DHT side effects as i'm already going bald as it is and don't want to speed the process up. Estrogenic side effects aren't a problem if you have an AI on hand from what I understand, but then would this increase the DHT side effects? Also would it be safe to take recreational drugs during PCT? Would PCT even be needed after such a short cycle and how long for?

Thanks
 
First, idc how many shakes you have a day. What's important is your total protein intake per day. You have to be counting macros to start a cycle.
Also, starting a cycle while cutting is a pretty bad idea. Go back to your bulk then start your cycle.
Using a DHT-derived compound for a first cycle is also a bad idea. Don't even think about using tren for your first cycle.
In more complex cycles, you'll always need to have test. So I really recommend to use test only for your first cycle.
And PCT is always needed. You will keep tiny balls and almost no testosterone production after your cycle if you don't do PCT.
Tamoxifen (nolvadex) should be enough for your PCT.
I think a month for your PCT is good.
 
I will be bulking again when I start my cycle, I know a calorie deficit wouldn't be the best idea to try and gain mass. I'm getting over 1g/lb protein at the moment but this will obviously go up when i up my food intake.

I've read the link you posted Serotonin, (and here comes the but...) but i'm not willing to go on a cycle for 15 weeks + PCT. Are you saying i wouldn't make any gains with a short cycle with fast acting steroids? Here are a couple of the links i've read about short cycles:

http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_on...uilding_gear/steroids_for_health_short_cycles
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...29773-short-cycles-good-gains-less-sides.html

flyhighk - In the second link, the guy says that doing test for a long cycle carries worse side effects than a 4 week cycle of tren. More specifically: "Some guys think I am nuts for recommending tren for a first cycle and they say it is too harsh.... but most of the same bro's will recommend a long cycle of test/d-bol for a newbie and I can assure you that a long cycle of test/d-bol is going to give you more sides than a shorty with tren and d-bol. Bro's test is just as "harsh" as tren and it causes a good deal of water retention, with resultant increase in BP(bad in some bro's) unless you use an estrogen inhibitor....and shit test/d-bol stacks are WAY "harsher" than tren."

I'm not dismissing anything you guys are saying, it's just that i'm reading completely conflicting reports and am trying to get a better understanding!
 
shorter cycle means you wont keep your gains as well. you'll make progress running a few acetate esters but soon as you hop off, you'll lose them rather quickly. that would mean 28+ pinning with little results doesn't sound like a good trade off.

also test prop apparently has pretty bad pain during injection hence why its not recommended. tren has either a ton of bad sides or very manageable ones from what I've read. some people had horrible ones while some barely had any. also for a starter cycle, why burn out your androgen receptors so early when a little test goes a long way? why overdo it when you don't need to?
 
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I'll give it a go and see how much i get to keep after. It's either do that or not at all because to be frank, I would rather take recs every month or so than do a really long cycle and have to wait 3-4 months. Would you recommend test prop then if i'm going to go ahead with it and do you think i should stack anything else with it? Also any idea whether i would be able to do recreationals during pct?
 
if I were you I'd wait personally. but since bluelighter is harm reduction. I'd say prop so you get some results as the longer esters will just be starting to kick in at the 4 week mark. look for test acetate which is supposedly painless. prop apparently hurts like a bitch so that may be not best for you. I don't know about rec drugs during pct as I haven't read up on how certain drugs effect the hpta and the functioning of natural test production.
 
Yeah, i've read about the prop pain =\ I guess i'll just have to suck it up. Thinking about running prop and Turinabol. Thanks for the replies, i'll put the question about PCT and recreationals in a new post as i'll probably be more likely to get an answer that way.
 
Well I still recommend test for your cycle. And how about test suspension ? But you'll have to inject it very often.
 
when I get around to my first cycle in a year or so I hope test ace is more popular.
my first cycle would be test ace for kickstart with test e (same syringe for two days a week) and just run test e from weeks 4-12. get fast acting test for kickstart and long acting test for the remainder of the cycle. only one hormone so I'd know how test acts with me early on thanks to the acetate ester and be able to keep sides in check if needed.
 
I think test prop is fine for a short cycle. Wouldn't i have to inject a lot more frequently with suspension? Don't think i can get that or acetate either anyway.

The other reason i'm going for short cycles is because even though you get shutdown, recovery of HPTA is really fast (about a week for 2 week cycles). Sure, you won't gain much at all on a 2 weeker in comparison to a 12 week but from what i've read people keep the gains due to fast recovery and continuing to gain during PCT, and they can do 2 on, 2/4 off. You should gain and keep more doing 6x 2 weekers than 1x12 week, and you won't spend 3 months after being depressed and struggling to hold onto gains while you recover. Of course I have no experience of this as i've not done a cycle before but i've read a lot of reports about it from people who have done many long cycles and now swear by short ones due to the lack of side effects, short recovery and good consistent (slow and steady) gains. Sounds perfect to me!
 
Doing many smaller cycles is for many people better than doing a single longer cycle for many reasons. But you're putting your body under stress because changes in hormones are so frequent. And that is bad imo. Anyways, you'll know what works best for you after getting some experience. Good luck !
 
Thanks mate, i'll probably do the one to see how i respond to it and then if it's all good i'll have a minimum of 4 weeks off, but will probably have 6 off as i'm not in a crazy rush.
 
I been wanting to try a cycle really bad jus cant find it but when I do what kind of Chang can I expect from one cycle?
 
Genetic Freak said:
Finally read this garbage, what a crock of shit...!!!!
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Wow, what an eloquent and succinct scientific rebuttal to those articles, i'd never have thought you could summarise and counter each point so brilliantly. You do realise there are more than those 2 links about it with lots of people posting positive results. Yeah, I guess the gains people have made doing this must be pretend, because people have got nothing better to do than spend their time reporting on fabricated results. I'm also guessing you have never tried this and so have no basis for comparison. Thanks for your valuable input.
 
ProfessorMonkey said:
Wow, what an eloquent and succinct scientific rebuttal to those articles, i'd never have thought you could summarise and counter each point so brilliantly. You do realise there are more than those 2 links about it with lots of people posting positive results. Yeah, I guess the gains people have made doing this must be pretend, because people have got nothing better to do than spend their time reporting on fabricated results. I'm also guessing you have never tried this and so have no basis for comparison. Thanks for your valuable input.
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Tried it back in 2006 when the fad came out, wasn't impressed, had obtained better results through other methods... From what I gathered at the time it wasn't meant for a first cycle, more an in-between method for experienced steroid users trying something different, prior to a full cruise-blast protocol..

Don't believe everything you read on internet forums, especially those that have products to sell...

If you want my advice, your first cycle should give you the best gains and hopefully will be the one you remember most. I would be looking at 8-12 weeks and considering your 6' tall 500mg Test-E or C/week might fill you out more than 375mg...
I would be controversial regarding PCT (no nolva or clomid) and incorporate a relatively new hormone taper protocol we have being researching here in New Zealand IE:

Weeks 1-10: 500mg test/week
Week 11-12: 100mg
Week 13: 75mg
Week 14: 50mg

Use a conservative dose of AI eg. arimidex .125-.25mg/day and continue till week 16. I would recommend tapering off this as well so that by week 16 you are only using .25mg eod.

The taper gives your testes time to resume normal response to LH as you are not all of a sudden dropping testosterone cold turkey. You have enough exogenous testosterone in your system to maintain sexual function and hold onto gains but not enough to suppress your natural LH production and compromise testicular function.
 
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Bro, if Genetic Freak says an article is garbage, it's garbage. Genetic Freak is an experienced Steroid User and has a knowledge of hormones, peptides, and biology that rivals mine. I agree the articles are garbage as well. Tren and Dianabol gives less sides and less shutdown than a cycle of Test? What bollocks.

T-Nation and Steroidology are websites that cater to idiot steroid users that don't know good gains from their ass. They are run by absolute filth with products to sell and shitty underdosed steroid labs to push. If you want to waste time, money, and enjoy sub-par gains, by all means listen to them. If you want to get maximum gains listen to us. I'm a year and half away from stepping on stage and although I never plan on going pro due to the insane amounts of insulin, HGH, and IGF-1 LR3 I plan on competing in Classic Bodybuilding shows and due to my knowledge I plan on getting into the business of training people to go pro.

If you are going to run a cycle and don't want to look like you are on steroids, run the starter cycle with Turnibol as an oral kickstart. With Clomid, Nolvadex, as PCT you can run a 15 week cycle and 3/4 of all your gains. You need to realize, you aren't going to look like steroid user after one or two cycles. You are going look like your in shape, have a beach body look, and look like you eat healthy, and workout a lot. But in no way will you look like a juice head. You will look like a juice head if you follow advice from T-Nation and Steroidolgy, but you will look like a fitness model if you request that advice, a golden era/classic bodybuilder if if request that advice, or even a muscle on muscle freak of nature modern bodybuilder if you request that advice. Looking like a steroid user is not dependent on cycle length, it's dependent on dosages, diet, compounds, and water manipulation. About 99% of well known natural bodybuilders aren't natural- All it is a moderate dosage of Test, some choice orals, some fat burners, and a few select injectables.

The thing about advice on this forum is that it comes from experienced hormone users and I siphon top tier advice by some of most experienced bodybuilders the world from a private and exclusive forum that only has an agenda of spreading the truth about proper and successful hormone usage and the secrets of bodybuilders.
 
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