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Smoked too much AM-2201. Experienced the equivalent of a bad acid trip in terms of mood. All of the worst things in my life crashed through my head. Could barely move - literally paralyzed for about 10 minutes. My insides felt like they were shaking, heart racing. Felt fucked up for hours. Head felt fuzzy the next day. One of the worst chem experiences I've ever had. Threw the rest away.
 
its so easy to overdo it on AM-2201 since its so potent.... a gram should be somewhere between 500 and 1000 doses. i don't know anyone that stretches it out that far though, but then again i also don't know anyone that has never had an overdose experience on it... be careful with that stuff guys.
 
I think what got me so fucked is that the stuff melts to your gauze when you smoke with a pipe. The liquid remainder hardens on the gauze and also inside the pipe where it dripped. When you add more powder later, the powder burns & so does the left over congealed liquid from last time - suddenly you're smoking more than you realised.

The paralysis feeling was awful. If I'd have vomited I wonder if I could have even moved my head to avoid choking on it. I've tried many many chems & 90% were good, fun & pleasurable - but this one... good god, it was terrible.

Of course, the RIGHT amount is just fine & will keep you pleasantly stoned...
 
Synthetic Cannabis

Hi friends,

I do not know I opened this thread to the right place. I'm so sorry you have a lot of inaccuracies. I can write to you with my knowledge translate to English is not too high. Friends want to make synthetic cannabis. I have 5F-PB22 chemicals. I want to ask to solve this chemical. Unlike acetone and ethanol is used .. But not chemically fully resolved. Friends with information about this, please help me. Exactly how I need to do, picture or video you show and I'm very grateful.
 
okidoki, what do you mean by "solve" the chemical 5F-PB22? Are you trying to make a solution that contains the chemical in order to more easily apply the drug to your own herbal blend?
 
[QUOTE if you get the right vendors[/QUOTE]

Advice please on how to go about this, or how to locate some valid reviews of vendors?
 
im trying to give up smoking so was wondering whether one can make home made 'noid blends into cookies etc as one could with hash.?

some of the powder has already been sprayed onto blends, would that matter ? It would be more accurate to measure out the powder for each cookie, but was just unsure whether the oven baking could destroy the nouids properties ?

Has anyone else tried this sort of thing and how were the results ?

Thanks.

Shush: I think we are allowed to mention S.O.S. Google safe or scam. Some of the entries in their seem to be obvious shills either for or against different vendors. You still need the vendors names to search for though, but that isnt anything google cant fix ?

Mods: Sorrry if ive said too much, feel free to snip away.
 
^ maybe try baking them very evenly on a low heat to hopefully not cause any damage to it? Some else will know what to do probably



Havng a little 5f akb48 session now, anybody else get a bit shakey, almosts shivery from smoking this?
 
Just saw this in today's news:

The scientist behind synthetic cannabis says the products ''absolutely should not be used as recreational drugs''.

Emeritus Prof John W. Huffman, of South Carolina, developed synthetic cannabinoid compounds that bear his initials (such as JWH-018 and JWH-073) in his laboratory more than 15 years ago.

Those compounds were widely discussed in scientific publications, and ''evidently some people have figured out how to make them and are putting them in products''.

The compounds were ''not meant for human consumption'', he said.

''Their effects in humans have not been studied and they could very well have toxic effects. They absolutely should not be used as recreational drugs.''

Prof Huffman, an organic chemist at Clemson University, said the compounds which are appearing in ''fake marijuana'' products were among many created by his group, and others, during research supported by the National Institute on Drug Abuse between 1984 and 2010.

That research aimed to understand the relationship between the chemical structure and the biological activity of substances known as cannabinoids.

Cannabinoids include THC - the active ingredient in cannabis plants - but also other substances that interact with the cannabinoid receptors in the brain and other organs, he said.

''These receptors don't exist so that people can smoke marijuana and get high; they play a role in regulating appetite, nausea, mood, pain and inflammation.''

The receptors could be involved in the development of conditions such as osteoporosis, liver disease and some kinds of cancer, Prof Huffman said.

''Synthetic cannabinoids can help us understand these interactions and, ultimately, this knowledge may contribute to the development of new therapies.

''Again, I would emphasise the risk people are taking when they smoke these products. We simply don't know what the health effects might be.''
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Morkin said:
I think what got me so fucked is that the stuff melts to your gauze when you smoke with a pipe. The liquid remainder hardens on the gauze and also inside the pipe where it dripped. When you add more powder later, the powder burns & so does the left over congealed liquid from last time - suddenly you're smoking more than you realised.
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I've had this happen several times with my 018 blends. Some excess drip or condensate sticks to the brass screen in my pipe, just waiting for a moment of carelessness on my part. Usually happens when I take the last (screen) hit. Luckily for me, 018 doesn't produce quite the same level of anxiety as cannabis would in relation to how I high I get, so I'm able to ride it out without any psychological damage (although my mind's usual verbose chatter turns into an odd sort of music).
 
N0 W4RN1NG said:
^ Total BULLSHIT.

1. The 'reverse isomer' of THC is a dissociative? You have refs to back that up, because to the best of my knowledge the only cannabinoid that has significant and distinct differences in pharmacological effects between isomers is HU-210\HU-211, which has some striking changes compared to THC.

2. "Many synthetic cannabinoids affect the NMDA receptor" where the FUCK are you getting this information?

3. "Synthetic cannabinoids affect....the 5HT system" AGAIN...TOTAL SPECULATION.

4. The only true thing in your ENTIRE post is that synthetic cannabinoids are less studied than the 'noids in marijuana, which kind of contradicts all of your fabricated info anyway.

You can't just represent your opinions as facts, man, that's fucked up, especially for someone calling other people "liar".

By the way, since smoking marijuana involves combusting material with an open flame, and inhaling tar, it is very easily considered that synthetics are safer than marijuana when used responsibly(unless you are vaping or eating your weed, then you break even).
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You're the one using opinions.

Evidence of 5-ht activity : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1573528/

It's not the reverse isomer, just one enantiomer (reverse isomer :P) of a CLOSELY related molecule : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HU-211

Stop being an asshole, and by the way you are a liar. Synthetic cannabinoids are still not studied enough to be as safe as SMOKED weed.
David the Chansey said:
How can you say that when the safety of neither weed nor synthetic cannabinoids has been sufficiently studied? I'd say every argument can be made.


Please would you quote where I said this. Also note my use of the word "likely".


To be honest, I'm not quite sure why I said that. But was it really worth objecting? It was a thought I had at the time that imo was worth sharing.

To recap what I said earlier, I was saying that just because weed is natural and synthetic cannabinoids are, well, synthetic, it doesn't mean that weed is safe and synthetic cannabinoids are dangerous. Nowhere did I claim that weed is dangerous and synthetic cannabinoids are safe. What I did say, however, was that weed is more likely to be dangerous statistically because it is made up of hundreds of cannabinoids. I think this is a reasonable claim. Also remember that weed is made up of more things than cannabinoids, meaning the risk of weed containing a dangerous substance is even higher. And most people smoke it with tobacco anyway, which quite frankly is a massive LOL to the argument that smoking weed is safe.

I'm not dissing weed; I'm dissing other people dissing synthetics.

Finally, whether a cannabinoid is naturally occurring or synthetically made is completely irrelevant.
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to bold: If you'll notice, I pointed that out before you did.

To the rest, mostly bullcrap. Weed does have lots of cannabinoids, but it's proven safe with time. No, really, if you can't grasp this you have a cannabinoid stick in your ass. Maybe in 30 more years can you start saying some of those cannabinoids don't have risk, because I've heard about tons of brain damage and seizures! I don't feel like finding it and pasting it but I will!

You guys replying in unison like that made me look like a fool, but now who's the one who looks foolish? muahaha.
 
Just a warning to people that PB-22 - Quinolin-8-yl 1-pentyl-1H-indole-3-carboxylate is REALLY potent. 1mg was significantly stronger than 1mg of AM-2201 for me, which is already incredibly strong particularly to users with lower tolerances.
 
what did you say 'whiteying' was again ? Is it like puking, being totally out of it etc....?

It cant be good for you to be smoking so much to get into that kind of state too often. Sorry to sound like you mother or something but you could fall and hit your head on something hard if you're passing out all over the place, or do some other damage....

Paranoia would always stop me smoking way before i could smoke anywhere near what you must be smoking. I think im having a week or 2 at least off the noids. I may even just flush them. Its ridiculous to need a load of benzos to take beforehand so as not to get anxious and paranoid as i do. I think i found afterwards that ur144 was the best for no anxiety etc. In fact i kind of had no thought at all on that stuff. Its hard to explain but it was not unpleasant.

I was paranoid as fuck for several hours the other night. Got some worries at the moment so its like "just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you !"
 
yer thats a whitey when you od feel like your about to die swear your never going to touch weed/hash/noids ever again till you puke then the first thing you go is skin up some one lol . no it was an accident first time i mixed my noids and stims put vaped the noid think it was eth-cat big mistake .

the next time was just i think i had some kind of build up after just having my tea , i had been smoking most of the afternoon went and had some thing to eat then i sort of blank out next thing im sat on my bed covered in sick un able to move for a good few minutes . im thinking that 5F AKB-48K could affect me like ur-144 and cause me to have fits its some thing i need to look into .

im really liking the cheapness and mildness of 2ne1 like iv said its the most thc like of all the noids iv tried

whatever you do do not flush your noids you will regret it
 
Hello fellow synners long time as u all know ive been a big promoter of the 5f-akb48 but today swim received EAM-2201 once the blend is done drying swim will begin a trial session.
Details:
1 gram EAM-2201
20 grams mullein leaf
8 grams damiania

Stay tuned for swims trip
because of policies ill also post the trip report in the proper section
 
First time poster. Anyone know where I can get a good legal alternative to weed in the UK online?
 
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