The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (3rd edition)

[weadazoid]

I thought some of the 4 subs can cause the shakes, and muscle spasms.

 

[Help?!?!]

I thought some of the 4 subs can cause the shakes, and muscle spasms.

DET 4-subs have been known to do this bur I never experienced it and most people who did weren't really bothered by it. 4-HO-DiPT/4-HO-MiPT are great and 4-HO-MET is absolutely amazing and synthetic 4-HO-DMT is out of this fucking world!

 

[Folley]

I definitely got a solid dose in last night. I liked some aspects of it but I couldn't escape this weird feeling in my extremities that kind of ruined the positive aspects of it. Felt like my arms had just fallen asleep for most of the trip.

And I couldn't stop reminding myself how it wasn't quite mdma, and can never compare really.

Colors did really pop out though, I started my trip at around 8:30 as the sun was almost completely gone and the sky looked pretty sweet for about a half hour. Nothing really happened visually besides that though. This stuff seems to just amplify your sense of hearing and sight though because everything sounded really loud too.

Overall I'd give 25I a 6/10 with mdma being a 10/10.

Damn now I'm remembering that feeling in my arms again god that was such a detracting symptom from what would have otherwise been a good time. I couldn't help but wish I had some Valium about 1hr + after taking it.

This was at 750ugs though so I can always try a higher dose sometime but I don't really have a desire to take this stuff any time soon to be honest

IMO dude.. 25i sucks. It has a very "Research Chemical" feel... I just don't like it. I'd take about anything other than 25i for a fun trip... lol.


It is a better "fake ecstasy" than any meth bomb/piperazine pill I've taken though! I tried taking it once for a good introspective trip... ended up just stomping around my room to some loud music for a few hours (after a HORRIBLE come up..)


That was the last time I've taken 25i, and probably will be the last time.

 

[IamMe90]

^ Stomping around your room listening to loud music sounds pretty fun to me, not sure what the complaint is.

 

[Folley]

Well, if I had taken it as a MDMA-replacement type drug maybe I would have liked it.. but I took it looking for some profound thoughts or life realizations. There were none to be had other than the random gibberish that comes with a drug that is so cloudy headed.



It's not a favorite, that's for sure. Although it does have it's place as the "party" psychedelic, there is a better drug to be consumed for almost ANY occasion. LSD at home, MDMA at a rave, 2C-B with some friends... 25i isn't better in any of those situations.


I do want to give vaporization a shot, though. Seems interesting to say the least.

 

[IamMe90]

2c-e and DOC are really the only synthetic phenethylamines I've ever had that have given me deep or interesting thoughts. If you haven't checked either of those out, I would recommend it, but otherwise it may be that the phenethylamine synthetics just aren't really what you're looking for. I know if I want a mentally challenging trip, it's going to be a tryptamine.

 

[hoffmax]

I havent try mdma, but I think that 25i is better for a "psycodelic party" than lsd... I understand why so many people hate it, but everyone have to give it a try

 

[zn13bt]

I prefer the clear-headedness of 25I trips because that makes the insights I've gained during them easier to integrate into my daily life. Tryptamines are too weird and confusing for me and I haven't gotten as much out of them.

 

[weadazoid]

Everyone is different. I tend to agree with zn13bt. For me and my wife this stuff is nice, the clear headedness along with euphoria, a strong body high and good visuals is appealing.

zn13bt - would you agree ( as others have already coined this term ) that this is kinda like tripping in HD. Some how visuals are very crisp, so is your mind for the most part. ANother person on Erowid kinda nailed it.... this stuff when it works with you in the right way "25i is a psychadelics psychadelic."


I do have some interest in testing the water of the 4 subs, but again there everyone is different. Some people on Erowid compain of shakes and spasms. Still the short durration has peaked my interest, and I continue to research and review before a purchase.... no time to test right now anyway... too busy with work and family...

For some people psychadelics are just a bit no. for some people MDMA is just a big NO. For some people coke is just a big NO.

These are all mind altering chemicals... lets face it they effect us all a bit differently, it is nice to take solace or satisfaction though in the shareing of experiences.

 

[Help?!?!]

Everyone is different. I tend to agree with zn13bt. For me and my wife this stuff is nice, the clear headedness along with euphoria, a strong body high and good visuals is appealing.

zn13bt - would you agree ( as others have already coined this term ) that this is kinda like tripping in HD. Some how visuals are very crisp, so is your mind for the most part. ANother person on Erowid kinda nailed it.... this stuff when it works with you in the right way "25i is a psychadelics psychadelic."


I do have some interest in testing the water of the 4 subs, but again there everyone is different. Some people on Erowid compain of shakes and spasms. Still the short durration has peaked my interest, and I continue to research and review before a purchase.... no time to test right now anyway... too busy with work and family...

For some people psychadelics are just a bit no. for some people MDMA is just a big NO. For some people coke is just a big NO.

These are all mind altering chemicals... lets face it they effect us all a bit differently, it is nice to take solace or satisfaction though in the shareing of experiences.

God man, your totally over focusing on that shit. Show me more than 10 TR's where someone complained of the shakes or muscle spasms! Go read the B&D's no one in there except in the 4-HO/AcO-DET B&D has ever complained that i've seen and i've been surfing PD for nearly 6ish years now. Its true that everyone is different, but there isn't really a need to focus on that either as its kind of pointless unless you've used the substance and are saying that to someone else IMO. Either way I hope someday if you want to you'll explore the 4-subs as their really pretty fantastic. Just wait for that time when work quiets down and your family is settled!

25I for me has just been eh. Its fine in many ways but it doesn't really hold anything special, like Folley I could see this being more of a party type psychedelic. Though i've only done it nasally. I finally got around to making a solution so i'll probably plug a couple hundred mcgs.

 

[Folley]

I prefer the clear-headedness of 25I trips because that makes the insights I've gained during them easier to integrate into my daily life. Tryptamines are too weird and confusing for me and I haven't gotten as much out of them.

Clearheadedness? I didn't get one ounce of that on either of my 25i trips.. I don't really like tryptamines either though, I prefer more classical LSD type drugs. 25i is just some weird abomination of a drug... so many effects in one. It's not that it's bad, it's just that others are SOOOOO much better.

 

[bloodshed344]

I agree with zn13bt about the clearheadedness of 25I. Not just that, 25C is even more clear-headed. However after developing a significant phenethylamine tolerance these effects weren't apparent the last time I used an nBOME. I haven't used one in over a year, however.

nBOMEs have without a doubt given me the strongest, weirdest, most vivid visuals. This is coming from a guy that gets very little visuals from massive 2C-E doses, even after significant tolerance 25I made me see pink smoke in the air everywhere (with twisting sides in it, looking like pink insulation that is turning in on itself randomly.) 25C made my world look like the way psychedelics are portrayed on like, Family Guy, or just TV in general. 25C visuals were VERY wild, VERY colorful. Flashing red and blue constantly in my vision whilst bending the lines of everything and making me see weird shapes in the air.
The strong trips on these substances have made me value life more, and value psychedelics more. I would have a worse impression of phenethylamines if not for the nBOMEs, but now I have high hopes for trying a DOx chemical, because I know their visuals are more in this style, and the mindset sounds more meaningful to me.

However, second to this, tryptamines like 4-ACO-DMT (it wasnt that great for me however) and 4-HO-DET, and also 2C-P (seperately from other phenethylamines) have given me visuals that were at least half as great... however the mindset was more psychedelic from 2C-P and 4-HO-DET for sure. nBOMEs can't reach that strange state that chemicals like this put my mind in.

To Folley: I wouldn't be surprised if zn13bt and you had differently shaped serotonin receptors... or something. I mean that's just pure speculation but there has to be some reason the nBOMEs feel noticeably toxic in reasonable doses to people, and yet people like me have never felt ANY negative side-effects from them. Truly the only negative side-effect I had from them was the after-effects like tolerance.

I imagine if I did do enough of an nBOME to feel some of the side-effects I've read about them I would be TRIPPING BALLS and probably unable to notice the side-effects.

 

[unfuckwitable]

i would have to agree - finding 25-x-NBOMe (PEAs in general) VERY sensible, clear-headed, and easy going on the psyche, with a strong emphasis on the most COLORFUL & downright interesting visuals (this of course w/ sufficient, though not exceeding 1200µg doses).

however, when it comes to their substituted amphetamine counterparts, the DOx series, this lucidity is not present. where i am not in the mindset that say, lysergamides or tryptamines are infamous for providing me, i am significantly more dissolved into the experience, w/ time-alteration, ego loss, thought looping, etc.

every compound is simply going to produce varied effects in each individual, and as mentioned above, certain drugs just AREN'T HAPPENING for certain folks.

as of now my use of PEA analogues/homologues (particularly the RC compounds) has come to a close, as i personally am rather begrudged w/ the direction things have taken. i'm certain others feel the same way, though @ this point i care not to exemplify; these things quickly manifest in senseless "arguments".

 

[paoXoap]

Male, 47. Experienced. Acid back in Rome in the 80s then a great shroom trip in Bali. E during raves in the 90's then Long break before finally meeting DMT here in CA. Amazing opening. Shrooms microdosing often, finally tried 500mg 25i N blotter last night. Took it at 11, came up by 12ish, some visuals, mostly on trippy art, but no inner high or easiness to relax meditate and transcend. Sort of a superficial experience. Bit of stiff jaw and no sleep at all. Slight headache, but good mood the next day. Time contraction, no CEV, mid graphic distortion And animation. Still curious about it but cautious. I didn't felt the warm biological touch I the mushroom, that you can already feel in a"first test" dose.

 

[NBROMe]

Male, 47. Experienced. Acid back in Rome in the 80s then a great shroom trip in Bali. E during raves in the 90's then Long break before finally meeting DMT here in CA. Amazing opening. Shrooms microdosing often, finally tried 500mg 25i N blotter last night. Took it at 11, came up by 12ish, some visuals, mostly on trippy art, but no inner high or easiness to relax meditate and transcend. Sort of a superficial experience. Bit of stiff jaw and no sleep at all. Slight headache, but good mood the next day. Time contraction, no CEV, mid graphic distortion And animation. Still curious about it but cautious. I didn't felt the warm biological touch I the mushroom, that you can already feel in a"first test" dose.

It is good to be cautious, I wish more people would start at 500ug (I assume you don't actually mean 500mg, lol). I have tried doses from 300mg to 1200mg, IMO low doses really don't give an accurate picture of what 25i can do. There is a really interesting curve from 600ug to 1200ug. I would work your way up (after letting your tolerance subside) to 1000ug (try 750ug next).

Be sure to watch yourself for any negative reactions. Perhaps start earlier in the day to ease sleep. And try taking magnesium (600mg right before you drop) to help with side effects like jaw clenching.

 

[paoXoap]

Thanks for the suggestion. And yes about the quantity. Felt a lot of potential, but in a very cold detached way. Didn't feel the usual warm feeling I get even microdosing shrooms. Loved the sharp vision, but to be honest I wasn't that impressed. A bit too long lasting for the effects. I prefer shorter intense trip to a general prolonged but diluted high state. Smoking weed had almost no effect. 25-I actually kept me lucid. Felt good the next day, went to sleep at 1030.

 

[zn13bt]

Seconding NBROMe's comments. The first time I did 25I was also at 500ug and I was underwhelmed. Then a couple weeks later I tried 800ug, and it was like night and day, it was so much better in every way. Definitely work your way up in 100-200ug increments, the dosing curve is exponential and it can get unexpectedly intense if you start doubling your doses.

It is a phenethylamine, so it will be relatively clear-headed compared to shrooms or LSD, and the body sensations are closer to mescaline/MDMA (which are also phens).

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

Excuse me... I'm tripping balls mildly on this substance at the moment... anyways
So I was wondering what is the common dose -nasally- people are finding this begins to get really visual at?

I've tried 30+ other RCs over the years but I took 25i was the first time tonight. After the nonsense of going though liquid measurements and dehydrations every time to snort a dose of with 25C, this time I decided to go the whole hog and made a betacylodextrin complex for easy weighing up snortable dosages (ie weigh 10mg of substance and have 1mg of active).

So anyway I finally tried 25I tonight and it really surprised me the large dose I needed. I was really surprised that for me I needed to keep re-dosing and re-dosing to hit the point that it really became visual and a fully fledged psychedelic. It took 4 repeated dosages over around 3hrs totalling over 3mg!! I'm really surprised as I found 25C dosage was bordering on visual at 600µg and by 1mg it was well and truly very visual and psychedelic.

So I'm not by any means encouraging you kiddies to go out and take 3mg+ of 25I nasally first go or anything!! (Most of us know there have been seizures and deaths from high dosages of this substance) If anyone can please give any feedback it would be much appreciated as I'm really astounded as such a large dose needed! I don't have the most accurate scales but I did use minimum weighable mass for my betacylodextrin complex and I am fairly confident the dosages should be fairly accurate. Do my doseages of 3+mg look right to the rest of you?!?

 

[NBROMe]

It took 4 repeated dosages over around 3hrs totalling over 3mg!!

Specific doses would be helpful. Taking 500mg at T+0:00 then waiting over an hour will give you a large tolerance and you will hardly be tripping. Tolerance grows fast and few people experiment with redosing effects.

With 25i you should have your full dose at the start and not redose, after an hour redosing becomes worthless (IMO with buccal). I also advise you to take a more reasonable dose after your tolerance subsides (2+ weeks), possibly 250ug larger than your previous initial dose.

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

I started with 1mg dose and thought from my readings that this would be enough for a full blown trip but I was disappointed! Each subsequent dose was also 1mg except for one dose which was in the middle which was a tiny speck of the pure 25I that where miniscule scrapings from up from the weighing paper from before I made the complex with betacyclodextrin. Judging by effects of the other 1mg doseges the pure 25I scrapings were minuscule (although I admit my approach with that was a little foul hearty). so in total over roughly 3hrs over 3mg was snorted.

The thing is that I've redosed with the NBOMe family before. With 25C I took 600µg nasally it wasn't too intense but was a little visual so I waited a few hours till the visuals started to die off then snorted another 600µg and WOW that's when when walls where breathing and really got to the full on visuals. As Bender would say to Elzar "kick it up a notch!" and that's exactly what re-dosing on 25C did. It made it much more intense than the initial 600µg dose. 25I however seems much more fickle to me and I'm scared as to what initial dose I should take next time??? I too believe others out there with the phenethylamine psychedelics that one initial dose is best.

Judging by my experiment and working out the potency of my complexed product (with whatever slight measurement inaccuracies are involved) would it seem unsafe to you out there with more experience in nasal route 25I for me to take 3mg straigtht off the bat next time? Is this dose what's needed to get it visual?