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Animals on psychedelic drugs?

bear eats psychedelic mushrooms

found this video not sure most likely faked but do you think bears trip ?

[video]http://muchosucko.com/112915/Bear-Eats-Psychedelic-Mushrooms[/video]

if you look at its eyes iv seen myself and others look just like it with that bewilderedness to them

p.s just delete if you wish just an interesting though do animals trip and if so do they hunt out these shrooms like we would
 
@Foolsgold, imagine your post travelled back in time and found its way expressed by phantomcosmonaut...
Then the thread ran its course...
We could have a (pseudo)philosophical discussion about what we think tripping would be like for an animal, but perhaps we first need to able to say something that sticks on the topic of what it is like to be an animal altogether. I think that the question "what is it like to be a bat ?" is a classic philosophical question that you could read up about, it may or may not involved the concept of qualia. Pretty fucken abstract business if you ask me. In any case let me reopen this thread for now, nonsense about feeding your drugs to pets is not allowed, refer to the DC link in an earlier post about things related to that (and follow the rules!), it will result in your post being removed and if this thread doesn't yield anything else it will be closed.

Thanks.
 
cheers . i did not know about this post . :)

your reply is more that i was expecting and to show my ignorance academically i had to read it twice lol . but yes i get what you are saying we need to first put our self's in there shoes not just a matter of whether their brains intact like ours do with drugs well i think that's what you are getting at :)

as for the feed my pets stuff im not in to that iv had to many bad trips to put a poor cat/dog through that i can tell you im shooting through but charlie jack could not tell me he has lost it and i now look like some kind of evil giant mouse trying to eat him
 
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My theory is that because animals are most likely less aware of themselves and their environments than your average human, they would not be subjected to the same mental trip as a person. As far as science currently understands, animals do not use linguistic communication so their thought patterns can not possibly be altered because they have no thoughts to begin with. They would most likely experience the visual and other hallucinogenic effects but because they wouldn't normally be analyzing their mental state when sober, I believe the psychedelic mind state wouldn't seem all that bizarre or different to them.

McKenna's stoned ape theory suggests that mushrooms were responsible for language and other cognitive related adaptions in the human evolution. Synesthesia. So maybe feeding our pets and other animals psychedelics we will actually be furthering their evolution.
 
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"Tusko" was also the name of a male Indian elephant at the Oklahoma City Zoo. On August 3, 1962,[4] researchers from the University of Oklahoma administered 297 mg of LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) to him, which is over 1,000 times the dose typical of human recreational use. Within five minutes he collapsed to the ground and one hour and forty minutes later he died. It is believed that the LSD was the cause of his death, although some speculate that the drugs the researchers used in an attempt to revive him may have contributed to his death.[5][6][7][8]
 
Yea the doctor gave him a massive IV dose of amphetamine in the report I read of the incident.
 
I'm against giving animals drugs because you can't explain to them nor can they tell you afterwards if it was a positive experience or not. Now if I were to say offer a friend some LSD, I could explain to him what to expect and he could later tell me if he liked it or not. If I did the same to my cat she'd just start hallucinating and having strange thoughts for a while and there would be no way for me to know if she enjoyed the experience or not.

But if you're really interested experiments were done with animals and drugs - http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm
 
Dr. Me said:
My theory is that because animals are most likely less aware of themselves and their environments than your average human, they would not be subjected to the same mental trip as a person. As far as science currently understands, animals do not use linguistic communication so their thought patterns can not possibly be altered because they have no thoughts to begin with.
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They must surely have some core thoughts. Most animals seem to know to run or bite back when danger has confronted them. I think animals are too busy using their brains to survive. They don't really get the chance to sit in an air conditioned room with a locked door and the chance to ponder things.


And I don't think anyone would routinely dose animals enough to apply Mckennas theory of the stoned apes to actually successfully assist the animals evolutionary process. If the theory is true I believe it helped cultures form linguistics through making it a tradition or ritual. Dosing your dog with acid isn't going to advance the canine race.
 
No mention of reindeer eating A. Muscaria? C'mon Bluelight, thought this was a pretty known thing



These reindeer eat A. Muscaria habitually and actually seem to enjoy the experience. That being said, never give psychedelics to people without their consent. It WILL freak them out, regardless of them being human or cat. Given that your cat has no way of giving you their consent (or even knowing what the hell it is), it's just something that you don't do.
 
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I think its kind of evil what they did to that cat... i mean have you ever seen someone so high on lsd their flopping and convulsing like that?
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Not quite that convulsive, but yeah I saw 6 people hold their screaming, writhing friend who was flipping his lid on acid. I was also on acid, it was quite an experience.

I can't believe anyone would even ask this question.
 
Laika said:
They must surely have some core thoughts. Most animals seem to know to run or bite back when danger has confronted them. I think animals are too busy using their brains to survive. They don't really get the chance to sit in an air conditioned room with a locked door and the chance to ponder things.


And I don't think anyone would routinely dose animals enough to apply Mckennas theory of the stoned apes to actually successfully assist the animals evolutionary process. If the theory is true I believe it helped cultures form linguistics through making it a tradition or ritual. Dosing your dog with acid isn't going to advance the canine race.
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well, many house dogs do nothing but lay around in an air conditioned room.

as far as your second comment goes.. I agree it is evil, and I personally wouldn't be the one.. but I wonder if you took maybe 10-20 dogs, and placed them in a room or a field with a bright red dish in the middle, with a bunch of mushrooms covered in peanut butter. The dogs would all eat these, and interact with each other without human interuption. and maybe a week later repeat the experiment. If they still eat the mushrooms, they did not have a very terrible experiance. animals learn - my dog no longer eats spicey foods. eventually, repeating the experiment over and over, remove the peanut butter. if they continue to eat of the fruit, then mayhaps they are taking something of value from it. hell, may end up with a batch of talking dogs. :O
 
There was an experiment a guy done where he gave 2 elephants LSD (no I'm not talking about Tusko)..

Apparently they loved it.. playing in the water and making "happy" sounds.
 
I did not say unaware I said less aware. We happen to be quite aware of our environment. We understand there are energy fields around us that we can pick up with certain instruments. We are aware of more things in our environment than animals. That is what I meant by them being less aware, they have less to worry about.
 
Them knowing to bite or run is instinct, same as us getting an adrenaline rush when in a fight. We don't consciously think about the most effective way to fight back, in my experience I am just observing my body going through the motions. Animals don't think about something like, 'I am going to die of a heart attack' at least as far as I know. That's why I think they would not be likely to have a bad trip.
 
Animals are *way* more aware of their environment than humans. Yes, less self-aware, but... have you ever seen a deer grazing in a field? A squirrel seeking out food? Animals are more aware than we'll ever know.
 
^Not true..

Do the deer realise there are billions of bacteria underneath their feet? etc etc..
 
they tested all this shit on rats first ... yet nobody seems to care much about rats ... not approving anyone force-feeding there pet lsd ... just saying... the cuter the pet the more taboo the subject gets ...
 
rickolasnice said:
^Not true..

Do the deer realise there are billions of bacteria underneath their feet? etc etc..
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I think what was meant is that animals are acutely aware of their senses, especially since they are not preoccupied with awareness of facts such as the presence of billions of bacteria that cannot be seen.

Which suggests a key difference: animals have no way to put distortion of their senses in perspective which offers them no way out of an instinctive emotion like fear. We humans can let go of our fear primarily because we can remind ourselves that it is okay to do so. We base that on a thought process animals do not possess (as far as I am 'aware' ;) )
 
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