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Minimizing harm from smoking with a respiratory infection

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: Or how to minimize throat-damage from smoking

I know there's a smoking when sick thread in the archive, however, I felt I had a valid HR angle to add to the subject.

If your anything like me (you have my sympathy) you get sick all the time but can't stop smoking for the love of tobacco or cannabis. I suffer constantly-recurring glandular fever and pick up the odd bug, just coming out of a nasty flu atm...
Everyone knows smoking hurts like hell when sick and makes your respiratory tract (throat, tonsils) very sore.
And it's true that (seems like bongs in particular) can turn a simple cold into a nasty bronchitis/pneumonia.
So rug up, take care, eat well, relax - try to breathe deeply and focus on getting better.

But lying in bed all day sucks and you want a smoke, right?

I found that if I inhale just a bit of my delicious cigarette, then suck in a lot of air thru my mouth, to push smoke ASAP away from throat/burning glands and deep into my lungs, there is not much pain.
I 'ghosty the hit' meaning I hold it 5+ seconds before exhaling and the smoke has mostly condensed in my lungs and the out-breath doesn't burn like it normally would.
You might find you don't need a whole cigarette when inhaling each breath so deeply, I have these cigarettes in 3 parts and smoke one over a whole day.

Ofcourse, many people mightn't want to hold their toxic, radioactive, carbon rich tobacco smoke in their lungs for that long - but I smoke Manitou organic, an additive free tobacco.
(it is postulated that the heavy metals bound up in the ferts of non-organic tobacco production increase the amount of radioactive heavymetals that the plant expresses in a big way)

It also helps to sip a warm, very sweetened herbal tea between breathes of smoke (and breathes of fresh air between each ghostied hit) - the viscous tea seems to coat the throat/tonsils and lessen consequent raspiness.

Inadvisable, but sensible if your going to smoke anyway, and I wish I had worked this out so many years ago.
So long being sick and making the problem worse.

My vapouriser wasn't much help (vapir 4.0) used to hurt like hell on my throat/tonsils - too much hot dry air, possibly the water-filters for vapes you can buy would help. Possibly a volcano would be smoother.

Oh, verily important also is to roll your own, light, almost see-through hemp paper is the best I've found for you delicate, throaty-ones out there. MOST important is not to use those furkin filters. Get a nice organic, no additive tobacco (easy to find if u look/ask any tobacconist/supermarket) and roll a lil' cardboard rizla out of any unbleached packaging you find - I used to use no filter, but a tapering end on my cigarettes for 8 years and always seemed a more mellow smoke than filtered ciggs.:)

"Several studies have demonstrated that the filter material (cellulose acetate fibres) can become detached.3-7 Pauly and colleagues have recently observed cigarette filter fibres in human lung specimens, indicating that the material is respirable.8 A study of filter fibres implanted in mice for six months demonstrated that fibres resist biodegradation.5 As a result of burning tobacco, the discharged fibres are also coated with tobacco tar, which contains carcinogens.5 Such inhaled filter fibres may pose a previously undefined health risk to the smoker beyond exposure to the chemical toxins found in tobacco smoke."
http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/10/1/84.1.full

They also cause resistance to inhalation, so you pull hard, while the smoke slowly trickles over your throat without enough FWOOMP of burning to properly vapourise the nicotine and rush it into your lungs for absorption. There's also great studies on the nicotine:tar ratios of filtered/unfiltered cigarettes. Filters Always absorb a higher proportion of nicotine than tar, because nicotine is a lot more volatile (ready to condense?) than tar.

Happy healthy times and here's to hoping for even more healthier ways to smoke
For the texture of smoke trickling in and out of you is divine, a heady atmospheric ambience you can breathe all night long. Sigh, I love shmokables.
 
Salutations InfoTed,

...can't stop smoking for the love of tobacco or cannabis... ...vapouriser wasn't much help... ...dry... Possibly a volcano would be smoother.

It's not possible for me to provide suitable feedback on tobacco though i will react on the vaporization part, hoping you agree.

:)

Two months ago i started using a vaporizer-pipe and the former hashish smoker in me turned out to be very pleased - so much i put aside a well known table vaporizer that i had used for 25 months with enthousiasm but which went defective the week after - providence or coïncidence?...

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Anyway, perhaps you didn't catch my thread related to (moisture) conditioning experiments:


Recently i found my pipe made something even more obvious that i already suspected for a good while: i NEED moisture in my cannabic vapour but water washing (in some glass accessory) is no option if i can avoid it! Butane generates H2O when burned, besides potential contaminants and CO2 i'm afraid... Yet i prefer my modded VG over my HA quite a lot more, because the pipe is self-moiturizing!

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Love factor? Yes, most Definitely!...
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My advice would be to BAN DRYNESS from your ritual if vaporization is to ever become an alternative again.

Now, how much moisture is really required? Well, that depends but at least try not to wash it as there's a trade-off to pay in terms of taste/aroma if/when filtering.

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The problem with this principle is that i can't think of a replacement for my table vaporizer: most of them are "dry" and this implies using glassware as a result. Persons with irritable airways should be careful with those too, unless i'm mistaking... Nonetheless.

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The I thing I can think of is using a vaporizer, although using edibles until the infection clears would definitely be best.
Buuut if you don't have access to a vape I personally wouldn't risk the chance of further infection or delayed healing from smoking, but if you must do small bong tokes with ice. Stay away from joints an pipes and really harsh pieces like waterfalls or lungs
 
Don't smoke anything until you are better. I would even avoid a vaporizer. If you REALLY want to get high make an edible like a Leary Biscuit, firecracker, etc.
 
Salutations,

Coconut oil and chocolate mix nicely in cookies, i've tried with lecithin added as a "potentiator" but that was using left-overs and since i'm relatively new to cannabic cooking it's not clear to me if it's a matter of raw materials or processing which needs to be adjusted. Too bad stoners are very louzy at providing concise recipes with clear instructions, at the rate i'm progressing there's no way telling if i'll be there in time for Christmass (2013 or 2014, or maybe 2020)...

My piece of hint for today is this: get prepared BEFORE you get sick!!

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Smoke nothing. There is no minimizing harm from smoking when you've got a respiratory infection. Don't fuck with that shit. I did with a cold, that turned into a sinus infection, that turned into bronchitis, that reached it's final form in walking pneumonia before I finally realized that I need to cut the shit when it came to herb and cigarettes.

You want to get high? Fuck minimizing damage from smoke, get a vaporizer. The temperature of the vapor may agitate the condition slightly but I doubt that even that would happen, to be completely honest.



[Edit: Shit, even better than a vaporizer: edibles. Whip up some quick cannabutter and then use generously in relatively simple recipes that call for butter and then sit back and enjoy the much different oral cannabis high.]


[Second edit: Damn, I didn't even need to say all this. Had some Xanax in me and jumped straight to reply after the OP, managed to repeat everything all y'all been sayin'. Woops. =D]
 
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Salutations,

There is no minimizing harm from smoking when you've got a respiratory infection.

This piece of advise sure makes sense to me so i can't but concur!! As a matter of fact it reminded me how i've quit smoking tobacco in the mid-nineties - after a "respiratory infection" precisely...

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Well I appreciate everyones input! lots of kind sentiments :)
I know it is folly to smoke when sick, aren't we all aware of the follies of our experiments and addictions? :)
Although bioavailability remains in cannafood, it's still much easier to ration/stretch it out through smoking/spinning, who could deny?

Egzsoset, the FogBong is a nicely made contraption, I like the idea - it's a little more refined/blended than the VapirOne water-filter I've seen.
That said, my vape handbook says that dry herb or dry throat can be ameliorated by putting some number of drops of water into the vaporizing-tray after the herb is in - this would be similar in result, yea?
My glands can swell up to the point where the hole in my throat is not adequate for breathing when I regularly get ill and that can = hospital.
I find the high-fan setting of my vape (needed for maintaining stable temp) is too harsh on my throat, as well as the extra deep breaths I take vaping, as compared to just a mini-cone, with just a strand of tobacco as an anti-cough agent.
Vaping the mary also seems to loosen crap off the chest faster than a bong, maybe too fast or not pro-active when sick?
I used to think the tobacco-spin-prevents-coughing argument was urban-myth, but turns out tobacco is a potent antitussive. Teeny tiny cones of tobacco turned my pneumonia coughing crescendo into a relaxed-bronchiole bliss - they should patent and prescribe that shit. :)

I mustn't have made clear in the title post, I meant this for any substance people may be habituated to smoking, but it was primarily for tobacco - and that was the reason that I shared it (under HR), knowing that nicotine dependence is a shit of a thing (I almost considered trying patches when sick).
And vape is no substitute/simply not an option for many people. Easy to makeshift one, but no 'healthy' vape delivers the same gorgeous texture of plain harsh smoke, straight to the lungs, raw and heavy, thick and viscous like an angry fog that is always welcome to roll in and settle my way! :)
Y'know, it's why we roll our own with the very most perfect blend and density so that it burns at 'just the right' temp and activates the right proportion of cannabinoids/alkaloids.
Not everyone will do the right thing about their bodies and start vaporizing.
More suggestions for how to smoke healthilier?

I am Convinced from my experiments that smoke wafting over the throat is the main killer and if you get it into your lungs and hold it, the organic tars will be partly absorbed and excreted, partly condensed in your lungs, safe-enough to my mind and can be hacked out later. Whoever said it was the Tar or the carbon gas that causes such respiratory damage? Examine the tobacco and the way it is smoked, I say.

Obtaining hash from a plant with a profile unconducive to coughing and aerosoling it would be optimal, in a legalized, regulated world.
Eating it is a great way, many different cannabinoids act beneficially FOR the immune system.
But is not always an option, also swallowing fibrous herbs in a firecracker is as painful as a cigarette or two.
And sometimes you cough, get a sore throat after a bong, but my sinus' were suddenly clear and it always kicks shizwhitz for the painrelief, appetite, nausea, sleep.

I've had 150+ days a year sick as a dog for the last 9 years.
I've had dozens of instances where I smoked during sickness and still recovered.
I didn't push my luck when it was getting close to hospitalization-time, but my body knew when half a cigarette wouldn't make me significantly worse.
And it relaxed me, killed the headache, I sleep well and wake up, whaddya know? Perfect!
This basically happened last night and is the last of many occasions where smoking wayyyy too much when sick Hasn't negatively affected me. Learn your body, train your immune systems to some level of tolerance and you can get away with a bit of smoking with a respiratory problem. Again, not advised, but only offered in a spirit of harm reduction.

I think people shouldn't feel Quite so guilty about their self-destructive natures, even at dangerous times like this
It is human nature to get depressed and do your body disservices from time to time, don't beat up on yourself - it won't help
Unless ofcourse it does help you, by all means hate on yaself! But if nothing will change, acknowledge and acquiesce to your delight in the smallest possible way
And use that 'lift' to try and re-frame your thoughts in a more healthy context!
Peace and health!
 
Salutations InfoTed,

...FogBong... ...a little more refined/blended than the VapirOne water-filter...

That was an experiment which helped me to grasp what difference there can be between washing cannabic vapour through water versus injecting just enough water mist to correct dryness in the main stream - this later characteristic being a nuisance shared by most vaporizers i believe. In your situation though i'd probably try to forget about aroma/taste and proceed with plain old GonG water filtration.

...my vape handbook says that dry herb or dry throat can be ameliorated by putting some number of drops of water into the vaporizing-tray after the herb is in - this would be similar in result, yea?

Well, here's what i submitted to the attention of my peers (elsewhere), very recently:

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This cute little graphic from above was ignored and my particular idea got rejected after some reference to "the laws of physics" was made, euh... Essentially speaking that fine topic got burried quick: apparently it would be impossible to conceive & implement any "Inlet Moisturizer" so i suppose this logic equally applies to the method suggested in your Vapir handbook, euh...

Of course i didn't buy such forum crap thinking there may be incompatible imperative$ which happen to $hape some perception$ of reality...

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Briefly put, i'd give the manufacturer's tip a go and i thank you for bringing this to my attention, actually! =D

Personally i might attempt to moisturize via a minuscule piece of wet cotton instead, to avoid putting water on my herb directly. So please consider keeping me informed about your progress with using a tiny drop of water into the Vapir tray!

...tiny cones of tobacco turned my pneumonia coughing crescendo into a relaxed-bronchiole bliss...

Since i've quit tobacco long ago that's something i can hardly comment on but i do acknowledge your statement that it is helping you.

Now i say lets make certain the next reader will see this...

...it was primarily for tobacco - and that was the reason that I shared it (under HR), knowing that nicotine dependence is a shit of a thing (I almost considered trying patches when sick).

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...no 'healthy' vape delivers the same gorgeous texture of plain harsh smoke, straight to the lungs, raw and heavy, thick and viscous...

The VG pipe is self-moisturizing, if you can stand the sort of smoke as described in this quote then i suspect you should feel this vaporizer differs from most others including your Vapir One - but i still wouldn't expect to find vaporizers working with Nicotine as an antitussive and Cannabis as the main load. In my own personal opinion the VG provides a near-smoking experience though i can't pretend it would be 100 % health-wise for persons sensitive to potential butane-related contaminants (perfect butane burning is a theory i don't seem to implement correctly in real-life practice, but that's me).

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More suggestions for how to smoke healthilier?

Yes, if you don't mind about water washing then you could take a peek at the Zobo (WenZhou Jobon) ZB502 Water Pipe. Their Hookah tube versions (ZB505/ZB509) seem nice too: i like their fancy "DeLuxe" appearance... Alternately, please allow me to explain what inspires me most in the ZB502:

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Pay no attention to physical proportions, it's only a concept. Under the cap some loop-shaped PVC tube should strictly contain the cannabic stream in order to control the amount of moisture added. Also, i'd want a Lotus Water Pipe Adapter to replace its smoker bowl... Nothing but fog (generated in the bottle) can reach the "Mixing Aperture" but water condensation will occur past this barrier anyway - yet it doesn't compare to water washing... Bottle diameter in the ZB502 is such that it should be easy to insert the required nebulizer.

...guilty about their self-destructive natures...

As far as it's about Cannabis my position is that some civil servants in power are even more guilty by adopting a contemplative attitude: at least it's clear to me i wasn't informed about vaporization through official public health channels and lets not forget that journalists much prefer "junkie" paraphernalia - on Harper-Vision Vancouver injection sites for drug addicts will be sexier than Cannabis dabbing after all!...

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I have to repeat what has been already said; moist smoke/vapor is much more gentle to your respiratory system than dry smoke/vapor. If you vaporize, I recommend adding a drop or so of water on the plant material (if it is too dry / easily powderized) before initiating vaporizing. If you use a bong, I recommend using hot/steaming water instead of cold, this makes the smoke much more gentle for your throat and lungs because of the additional water vapor. When it comes to joints and regular pipes I wouldn't be using too dry plant material in the first place, I find that it screws with the burning properties of the plant material, too dry cannabis burns too fast.
 
edibles edibles edibles. way less harm then smoking.

and holding in cig smoke like its a fat bowl rip cant be better for you. no way lol
 
I've been smoking 2/3 blunts a day with a resp. infection for like 8 days now. I get asthma only with these colds. I find it hard to believe so many ppl hear just 'stop' so readily 8)
 
I've been smoking 2/3 blunts a day with a resp. infection for like 8 days now. I get asthma only with these colds. I find it hard to believe so many ppl hear just 'stop' so readily 8)



Let that respiratory infection marinate for a week or two without changing your smoking habits. Once you experience the (more severe) consequences of continuing to smoke whilst ill then I doubt you'll ever again view the advice of "Just stop smoking until your healthy" quite as cynically as you do now.
 
I am sorry, but I really disagree with some points made.
I know my advice is unconventional, but it is specific and there is logic to it.
Firstly, the advice is chiefly for tobacco and I object to this thread being moved from harm minimization and hi-jacked by alternative cannabis delivery methods. The thread is about smoking, the reason I brought up was addiction to the texture of a cigarette. I am satisfied with eating cannabis instead of smoking it, I also find it easy to go without it, unlike my soulmate: tobacco.
Cigarettes have that texture, that inexplicable I-love-the-way-your-tiny-claws-creep-through-my-respiratory-tract feel.
Tobacco in a vape sucks texturally and is a lightweight experience compared to smoking, I thought most users agreed on that.

Dry, warm air, even moistened vapour at lower temps irritates the top of your throat and swollen gland as it goes over them.
Smoke is much worse, of course.
I have advised a rich, honeyed liquorice/chamomile/ginger/herbal tea when sick to coat your delicate throat/glands.
Constantly re-coating it between puffs does help to provide a temporary boundary between smoke and sensitive throat.
What I am suggesting is IF your not willing to stop smoking AND your respiratory infection isn't deep in your lungs; a nasty productive cough etc, then you might want to smoke LESS quantity, breathe it DEEPER, QUICKER and clear the harsh smoke away from the top of your throat/glands as fast as possible. Inhale a bit, then whoosh the smoke down with some clean air, HOLDING the hit in your lungs actually gives you a better nicotine or thc-to-tar ratio, and the air you exhale is nowhere NEAR as harsh on your sensitive throat. If anyone has recurrent scratchy throat/tonsillitis and smokes throughout and tries this method - they will call me friend.

I have given up due to sickness MANY times. BUT my love of nicotine has grown, my relationship with it is profound. Also, when it puts me in a positive frame of mind, I am much more likely to force the relaxing and healing process that needs to happen. Holding hits deep in your lungs is not advisable, but it IS helpful in this aggravating, frustrating situation. But ultimately, you are an undisciplined smoking-junkie who'd rather die than go cold turkey. That's really pathetically sad. But on the flipside, most BL'ers are awesome fugdrucked individuals. And no matter the negative health choices we make and the sad consequences we live with, the power of the mind will keep us happy and sociable.

Consciousness is chemical and the body is a vessel. An amazing vessel, but seriously, just an organic automaton housing the unimaginably beautiful spirit.
Who cares about the Tupperware they're stored in? =D
 
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