K-Hole vs DMT Breakthrough

[hawaii]

First of all, let me tell you that I haven't experienced none of both myself yet, but I'm truly interested.
The strongest psychedelic experience I had so far is an 8-seeds Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (LSA) trip, much stronger than another LSD trip I had.
What I experienced was an initial uncontrolled fear for a couple of hours that after a while turned into a blissful introspection and vision of geometric patterns and a final bright light / hand that touched me and I immediately felt blessed.
I can't explain how fresh, positive and open I felt for the week after this experience and I now want to get back there somehow.

About DMT or Ketamine.
I was watching this video where some people explain and report their DMT experiences.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ-EC_erURQ

It sounds like both substances have common ground and effects.

Who experienced them both?
Which are the differences? (Apart duration and receptors involved)

Which one would you recommend first?

Have a nice sunday

 

[Asante]

They are extremely dissimilar. I slide into a K Hole like a lubed up seal down a waterslide but you couldnt get me to smoke a breakthrough dose of DMT if you paid me.

 

[Asante]

DMT is like a wild frienzied version of the LSA you took whereas K puts you half unconscious, typically extinguishing all fear and anxiety before you slide in. DMT is wild, K is very calm if you get inside yourself.

DMT is stimulant, if you take way to much you get seizures, while K is anesthetic, when you take way too much you fall unconscious.

To exaggerate, DMT is going out of your mind, K is going out of your body.

 

[rickolasnice]

They both do have similarities but they are also nothing alike..

They both put you in a dream like world, sure, but the undertone to these dreams completely differ.

Both are highly worth the experience, imo.

 

[Morphling]

DMT and Ket are different classes of drugs entirely, I find them to be really quite different. It's rather hard to explain, but both are truly excellent If I had a steady Ket source I'd be monged constantly.

 

[johannes kreisler]

...a steady ket source is a true double-edged sword. I have one but learned to refuse (!) to have more ket at home than I can consume for one special occasion (!) at a time. for me ketamine is the drug that is most difficult to keep my hands off if it is available.

that being said: after my first k-hole I said to myself "ok. this is the only substance I know that rivals DMT in immensity and power." (the quality is different though)
ketamine is quite recreational but after a high enough dose it gets quite serious. DMT is always serious.

 

[Foreigner]

I haven't done DMT but a few people I know have, in the form of ayahuasca. My impression is that ketamine as a therapy is more gradual before you have the breakthrough, whereas DMT is like blowing the whole thing wide open. Ketamine has more of a gradient whereas DMT is an either/or experience.

Ketamine fixed most of my depression, but I am still very curious about DMT as it's the only class of psychedelic I haven't yet tried. My only concern is that it might be a bit too sympathomimetic for me, like how LSD is, and my brain can't handle much of that.

 

[johannes kreisler]

...no it isn't. it's extremely natural. "more like a food than a drug".
I know what you mean with the sympathomimetic nature of lsd and I can't handle it either...

 

[lightforce]

Ketamine is like falling into a dark hole then collapsing on your self over and over. Then travelling/drifting to far off places and sometimes you will end up seeing things that look familiar or things that make no sense. To me K doesn't have very have much insight, but I have a few holes where is made me wonder about a few things in my life.

DMT is like jumping on rocket and blasting into space. As you are pulling in the hit your vision starts to go into a tunnel then everything kind of blurs then I usually just fall back and close my eyes. There's been times where I felt like I was one dimensional, felt I was squished into a line and then was seeing intense fractals/colours. Thoughts racing through my mind, you come out of it 10 minutes later and everything is still vibrant and wavy. Kind of like LSD. Feels very refreshing to me, very natural.

I would say DMT is way more intense. You have better have a mind that can handle racing thoughts and very deep insight. You will see things that could change you. It's more of an alone drug than a party drug. But I would try Ketamine first just because you can keep working up the dose and then see if you like it. I don't find DMT worth smoking if you're not going to do a breakthrough dose, all you get is brighter/vivid colours and some patterns similar to LSD if it's a small hit.

 

[Disconnect]

DMT doesn't affect your ego that much.

I would whole heartedly disagree with that. I have had DMT tear my ego to shreds on a number of occasions, but generally only on higher doses and it's not like it happens every time.

To the topic, while I've never had a K-hole, the dreamy-sedating nature of K opposed to the electrifyingly peaceful DMT seem like pretty core aspects of each experience, thus not really relatable.

 

[Help?!?!]

that being said: after my first k-hole I said to myself "ok. this is the only substance I know that rivals DMT in immensity and power." (the quality is different though)
ketamine is quite recreational but after a high enough dose it gets quite serious. DMT is always serious.

Hehe, right? That was my first thought when be submerging into a K-hole. I disagree though, DMT can be quite playful, I think its the "being launched to the moon on a god damn rocket" that most people misinterpret as not being so, but afterwards? Low doses especially. Believe me, i've smoked far to much DMT......mostly as well in doses far above 40mgs, though anywhere from 10-40mgs can be very playful whereas anywhere from 60-120 is almost always dead serious psychedelia. Though also to be far 5-MeO-DMT enters that Territory easily as well and I bet DPT does as, never took my doses high enough, though 50mgs DPT IM'd with 60mgs of MXE was pretty out of this world.

 

[rickolasnice]

Ketamine totally destorys your sense of self, there is nothing left over besides consciousness without an object. In contrast, DMT doesn't affect your ego that much - and that is the crazy thing about DMT, as you get a 100% change of reality that is experienced with a pretty normal sense of self.

Disagree

DMT has and can definitely cause total ego loss.. While i have never experienced it on Ketamine..

 

[Black]

DMT can be quite playful, I think its the "being launched to the moon on a god damn rocket" that most people misinterpret as not being so, but afterwards? Low doses especially.

exactly. if you don't overshoot your dose, dmt can be very relaxing. it's the most sedating psychedelic i've tried. sometimes it feels like: sit back in a comfy chair, relax and watch the psychedelic cinema.

 

[DiMiTri89]

DMT is stimulant, if you take way to much you get seizures, while K is anesthetic, when you take way too much you fall unconscious.

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Dmt is not a stimulant...the feeling up until a breakthrough is very very calm (at least for me) and when you get to that breakthrough youre pretty much sedentary, in reguarde to the seizure comment, perhaps if you have epilepsy but in that case theres drugs you should never do, i have never heard anything about seizures stemming from this drug

 

[Help?!?!]

exactly. if you don't overshoot your dose, dmt can be very relaxing. it's the most sedating psychedelic i've tried. sometimes it feels like: sit back in a comfy chair, relax and watch the psychedelic cinema.

I know exactly what you mean! Sitting in a nice recliner late at night, vape it, possibly feel uncomfortable for about 30 seconds to one minute, and then bam I feel an ultimate sense of peace. Then the walls begin to wave, the paints color warps with neon extravagance, and then finally its like I melt into my chair. I find pretty much everything exact the highest doses to be like that except when you totally breakthrough and forget what a chair even really is.....

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I have no experience with DMT, even though it's on the top of my bucket list, but I would imagine it would be similar to a k-hole only in the way that you are completely detached from reality. From what I've heard from people who have done DMT the visuals are alot like a tryptamine, very fractally, etc, which is something I've never had from a k-hole. My k-holes have always been very realistic, like a very vivid dream, with very realistic feelings of gravity and flying. Like when your world turns upside in a k-hole it literally feels like you flipped upside down, its like psychedelic roller coaster.