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Is 3000mg of acetaminophen safe? (also question about codiene)

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Energysausage

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Recently received 6 prodeine forte pills, 30/500 with codeine and acetaminophen.

I want to take all of them, but am worried about the acetaminophen. I know about CWE, but I only want to do that if I absolutely have to. Will that amount cause any significant/long lasting or permanent damage to me, is there any chance of liver failure? I've done some research but I can't seem to get a clear picture. Also if I do take it, will 3000mg cause any discomfort while i'm trying to enjoy the codeine?

Last question...for a first timer (of recreational doses) with no tolerance, is 180mg of codeine a risky amount to take (or is it perhaps not enough)?
 
If you dont have a tolerance then start small man. I would start with 2 first. Then wait an hour see how you feel. If you dont feel them very much take another one. 30mg codeine is not a lot. But if you dont have a tolerance then i would think just 2 of them would do the trick.

Be safe and start small if your not sure. Then just dose 1 pill and hour till you feel cool. Remember, you can always put more in later but you cant take it out once its in. This is basically the method i use when im a bit uncertain about dosage.

Oh and the acetaminophen shouldnt hurt you if you just take a couple like i suggested, but i know its not good for you in really high doses. I really would NOT take all 6 of them at once if i were you as you said you have a low tolerance. I dont think you will need to take all 6 at once if you have a low tolerance bro.
 
Yeah I think you're right actually thanks for the advice, i'm going to start a little smaller. 4 instead of six though, I just can't see 60mg doing much, I always have an annoyingly large resistance to drugs for some reason.

Hopefully i'll still feel it.


2000mg of APAP shouldn't be too dangerous (Hopefully not dangerous at all) right?
 
Considering that many OTC products which contain codeine and paracetamol recommend taking taking two tablets together (that's a gram of paracetamol right there, because regardless of the amount of codeine in the tablets the paracetamol is always 500mg), and taking up to 8 in total in a single day with four or so hour gaps in between...

That's four grams of paracetamol over a day. So I don't think that 2 grams at once should be dangerous for you. But you would not want to take that much with any sort of regularity.

Just curious: Why do you want to avoid the CWE? It seems a perfect way to avoid the paracetamol issue (almost) completely...
 
Yeah it won't be with regularity, just a one off. I'm less worried now, figure I'll be fine if I have 4 (mabye 5) pills - so 2000 - 2500 of APAP

As for the CWE, kind of stupid...but the whole process stresses me out a bit (lol), I just can't believe it filters all the APAP, also I'd probably lose a decent amount of codeine in the process. Plus it's just easier and less time consuming to eat the pills and if I can eat them without any danger to myself there's no problem. Oh and lastly i'd have to go out and buy coffee filters.

Edit: ^^I actually wanted to ask about the 'taking gaps between eating pills' recommendation. Most/all boxes say not to exceed 4000mg or 8 pills a day, but they assume that you are taking the pills with gaps in between.

Seeing as though I would taking it all at once, would that mean the above recommendation would become irrelevant and I actually would be taking a greater risk.


Hope that all made sense, i'm pretty tired right now
 
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It's not good for your liver, period. You may be overly sensitive to this type of stress, we don't know.

Your best route would be to perform a cold water extraction.
 
Energysausage said:
thanks for the link. It says I'd be in the range of 'mild to moderate alterations in hepatic function'. Is that overally serious or does it just mean my liver would be working harder than usual to break down/get rid of the APAP?
Click to expand...

Venrak's right.
Each and every person's body is different; the numbers that are on that link are just general ranges. Your sensitivity to acetaminophen may be higher or lower than those numbers. And anyways, acetaminophen is hepatotoxic.
Just do a cold water extraction.
 
Is it worth it though (doing a CWE)?. After starting this thread i'm leaning way more towards it than I was before but it just seems like a bit of a waste of time (and codeine) for four pills.

Also I just read in this thread 'http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/548643-Cold-Water-Extraction-(CWE)-Mega-Thread-amp-FAQ-v2-0/page2' that judging and using the amount of water needed for just 4 pills would be hard/not as effective.

Here's a question. What would do more damage to my/a liver, a heavy night of drinking or 2000mg of APAP?

I'm not scared of heavy drinking (rarely/never do it anymore) despite the damage it can do but i am definitely scared of APAP.
 
In general, alcohol is mainly a risk to the liver with chronic use while paracetamol is equally as risky to the liver chronically but extremely risky with acute overdose.
Part of the risk is you may not realize the damage you have done until its too late. This is why the boxes carry warning to consult a doctor in event of an overdose EVEN if you feel well.
Im speaking from experience when i say you dont want liver poisoning from paracetamol. My cousin died from it, it started as severe stomach pain and vomiting. The hospital had to medicate her in to a coma because of how distressed she was. Then her brain started to swell, so they had to pit a metal tube through her skull (a shunt) to drain the fluid. Due to her blood circulation being so bad from the poisoning, her fingers and toes suffered extensive necrosis and if she had survived they would have been amputated.
After a week of this and other horrible symptoms, she died of heart failure having never woke up. She was only 24yrs old with no previous health problems and had to have a closed casket at the funeral so none of the mourners would have the shock and distress of seeing the state her body was in.
So, with this in mind, DO the cold water extraction and save yourself the risk and your loved ones the heartache.
 
^thanks for sharing what must be a heart breaking experience. If ONE person does a CWE based on your post, consider it a job well done.
 
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Thank you twotoomany, it wasnt a nice memory to re-live at all.
Its not nice having to go into that much detail but some people seem very ignorant of the horrible effects of acute liver poisoning (not a dig at the OP at all, ive seen it with many others). Most have the image of the yellow eyes/skin and general illness of chronic liver poisoning, like with serious alcohol addiction, but are unaware of the severe longterm problems (if you survive) of acute poisoning. Its awful but im glad she didnt survive, what kind of life is it? no hands or feet and severe mental retardation plus a lifetime of medication and being a burden on those who love you....no thanks.
I can see from your posts in other threads that you have your head screwed on in this regard, twotoomany. But as you said if i this tragic story saves just one from their own ignorance, then my cousins death wont be completely in vain.
 
I have taken that much APAP in one day with 2-3 beers chronically over the period of a few weeks and all my labs always came back fine. I think the dangers of APAP are overhyped, however, I would not exceed 4000 mg a day.
 
With acetaminophen you can take 1000mg at a time. 4000mg a day and at least 4 hours between doses.
I really wouldn't fuck around with that.
People have been in hospital for taking as little as 7000mg in a day.
People have had liver failure just from taking the recommended dose for several weeks in a row.
 
Well these last few messages/stories (especially bunge's, man that sucks) have convinced me. I don't think i'm going to risk any damage to my liver, even at a small dose like 2000mg. Doing a cold water extraction freaks me out a little bit too though, not so much the extraction itself, but the final moment when I down the liquid not knowing if I did it properly and actually got rid of it all.

Does the CWE really, really work? I imagine there would still be a little bit of APAP left afterwards no matter what, but does it really work that well?

I know from all the successful stories of it that it must, but it all still freaks me out.

Any tips?
 
Considering the fact that you will lose a small amount of codeine in the process, I would use all the 6 pills. That's 180 mg, it should give you 150-170mg depending on how well you do it. And with 70ml of water, you should end up with ~1g APAP which is fine. I don't think 170mg could harm a first timer but you will still need an anti-histamine to enjoy it.
 
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