Mental Health Bipolar Disorder Mega Thread

Don't sweat it. The drug will probably keep working for you indefinitely.

Is that even possible? My experience is that no matter what drug you take, it will only be effective for a limited time. Your body ALWAYS corrects back to baseline. Eg: when I tried Effexor, it worked really well... for one week, and then you're left with zero benefits and all the side-effects. It seems to be the same way with every single other psychoactive chemical I've ever used.
 
Is that even possible? My experience is that no matter what drug you take, it will only be effective for a limited time. Your body ALWAYS corrects back to baseline. Eg: when I tried Effexor, it worked really well... for one week, and then you're left with zero benefits and all the side-effects. It seems to be the same way with every single other psychoactive chemical I've ever used.

I believe it is possible for drugs to continue to work, though I have my doubts too. I know there are higher chances of your body 'correcting back to baseline' with anti psychotics than some other drugs (in my opinion!). I personally believe it happens more with primarily dopamine related drugs as opposed to serotonergic drugs.
As this a a bipolar disorder thread, I have some doubts in the 'baseline' remark. Our bodies seem to struggle with the idea of what 'baseline' is. I know people who have been on drugs 20+ years with it effectively still working. Psychoactives as well.

It's interesting about the SNRI you took, did it work well for the first week? Or just one week later on? Because that seems rather odd if that's the case.


You shouldn't; it's very rare.

But it is a very rare condition, and if you get a rash on lamotrigine, chances are it won't progress into a full blown case of SJS. And if my rash was any indication, there is time to turn things around before it gets bad.

Don't sweat it. The drug will probably keep working for you indefinitely.

I'd like to find something that works; I just hate it when the crippling depression sets in. I guess I'm going to have to see a psychiatrist again. Sigh. I'm thinking about finding some references to scientific studies involving ketamine used to treat bipolar depression, and hand them to the psych. Maybe try to get treated with something that will work.

Thanks! It's comforting to hear some positive words regarding medicinal pharmas here and there, especially when you're on extremely high doses.. I wish you the best with that, psychiatrist hop(p)ing can be a bitch for sure.

In regards to ketamine, good luck with that. Dissociatives have proven to be the among best mood-stabilizers, at least from my experience and more recent studies. Obviously I've gone overkill many times, but if I were to be given a a low dose ketamine prescription to take daily, you can damn well count on it that I'd take it. It started with DXM for me, had a ketamine experience, and then just went through tons of MXE. It got to the point where I started to take MXE therapeutically in low doses on occasion when feeling the blues, 10-20mg subligual doses. Enough for that mood lift but not enough to send you into dissociative land. Instantly helped and could feel overall better for up to 5 days sometimes when in a 'depression' per se. I haven't had any recently, but I do know that it helped me more than any prescription drug I have ever had (minus Lamictal).
 
Is bipolar disorder different than spiritual enlightenment, or rather, is it simply the constructs of society and conventional reality that provide a structure for the experience to mimic a mental disease?
 
mania can feel spiritual but it also ruins your bank account and social relationships with friends and family so i'm pretty sure its not a social construct. in fact i know its not from experience
 
In regards to ketamine, good luck with that. Dissociatives have proven to be the among best mood-stabilizers, at least from my experience and more recent studies. Obviously I've gone overkill many times, but if I were to be given a a low dose ketamine prescription to take daily, you can damn well count on it that I'd take it. It started with DXM for me, had a ketamine experience, and then just went through tons of MXE. It got to the point where I started to take MXE therapeutically in low doses on occasion when feeling the blues, 10-20mg subligual doses. Enough for that mood lift but not enough to send you into dissociative land. Instantly helped and could feel overall better for up to 5 days sometimes when in a 'depression' per se. I haven't had any recently, but I do know that it helped me more than any prescription drug I have ever had (minus Lamictal).

Wow, sounds awesome. I'd love to get a hold of some MXE before it's banned here in the US (if it hasn't happened already).

So it's another DXM day. I'm not particularly looking forward to it, but this depression is persistent and comes back like clockwork two days after I dose, so I'm going to keep at it and see how it works in the long run. Fortunately the physical unpleasantness can be masked by keeping myself busy (playing video games works well).
 
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Is bipolar disorder different than spiritual enlightenment, or rather, is it simply the constructs of society and conventional reality that provide a structure for the experience to mimic a mental disease?

It's kind of like spiritual enlightenment that somehow goes horribly wrong! For me anyway!
 
does anyone take wellbutrin and mood stabilizers? my diagnosis is getting a little out of control, I feel like I'm disarming a bomb with the right chemical cocktail of psych drugs.
 
right. are hallucinations a signifier of a mental disorder or supernatural visions. depends on the culture. also it is important to note weather your life is being impacted or crippled by your experience. I hallucinate often, but it very rarely upsets my life.
 
^Hmmm I wonder this often....I think it likely depends on the experiences and how/when they occur...?

I just did this with another MEGAthread but here are the links from the first post just in case people pass over and go right to the end of the thread as often happens:

Here is a list on links that might be helpful:


The above has lotsa links to various bipolar related issues such as meds and stuff.


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Below are descriptions of psychotic and emotional disorders written and edited by Sushii, and panic in paradise.

This information has only been posted to share and debate in the interest of harm reduction, not as actual professional medical care, treatment, or advice. Please suggest any corrections or information that may need to be added.

 
I have a question about bipolar disorder and genetics.

I found out not too long ago from my mom that all of the men on her side of the family, since her grandfather, have had some form of bipolar disorder. I've been taking bupropion for a while for depression, but sometimes I feel like I slip into more extreme manic and depressive periods more frequently as time goes on. However, I also feel like I've noticed this more since I talked about bipolar disorder in my family with my mom.

I know that bipolar disorder can be passed down through genetics, but could I also be convincing myself that it's becoming worse just because I think it's going to?
 
Hey, I was just wondering if anyone here has talked openly (outside of this forum) about being bipolar. This might sound like a weird question. I would like to have a little support these days from someone other than my psychiatrist and psychotherapist. I'm afraid to talk to people about it though because I doubt they'll care or even believe me. I feel like I'm always getting dismissed. In your experience was it beneficial to be more open?

Thanks!
 
I'm quite open about the fact that I have been diagnosed and for quite a while I have subscribed to the medical definition of the bipolar disorder and its impacts on one's life... my advice: don't do it. Not because of stigma or because you'd be dismissed (it will be just the opposite... anything negative related to bipolar will be emphasised) but because they'll beat it into your head that bipolar is all bad, some rigid definition of what it means and how it works. After many years I realised bipolar may not be what medical profession understands it to be as of now... it's a lot more than that and I feel that if I've never been diagnosed and left all to myself to figure it out, I would have done what's best for me and figured out how it impacts me a lot sooner if left only to myself to figure out, without any preconceptions. Instead I've been lead to believe that it is a condition that desperately needs aggressive management and is in it's core abnormal functioning of the brain. It is complex...

What I suggest you to do is to talk openly with people you trust about your experiences, not mentioning bipolar... because it's an aspect of you, a part of you, your personality or however you interpret it. The label in the end does not matter, what you're feeling & experiencing... are your subjective feelings and experiences. Don't mention the label as it may shift the focus to the label and what it entails instead of YOU.
 
Thank you, that makes sense to me. I have had negative reactions in the past to other labels like being ADD. It just really pisses me off when you tell someone (who you trust) that you're really not doin too hot and their reaction is "buck up." If only it were that easy. Then I just wanna lay my cards on the table and try to make them see how this is a bit more complex than they think.
 
By all means, lay the cards on the table... but focus on you feelings and troubles you're having at the moment, not the label... and focus on solutions. To the people you trust of course. You may quickly realise that a lot of people have experienced the same feelings in their life, at least to some degree, and a lot of people have not been diagnosed with anything, perhaps because the degree of troubles they experienced was not as severe as yours. Take their experiences as proof of concept, if something worked for them and you feel like it may work for you, even though you feel your problem is much bigger... it may still be worth trying.

This is where you can tap into the really valuable source of information of how people deal with what I call real life situations. I learned that everything in life exists on a spectrum, for diagnosed or undiagnosed. Except when you're diagnosed people, including & especially experts, tend to put you on the extreme end of the scale when you experience every minor or major hiccup which is not always appropriate. They're not doing it out of malice, it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction. I agree that extreme ends of the spectrum warrants\ some professional intervention but that does not mean that it needs to govern all aspects of your life. You can still implement practices of every day people into your life and only seek professional help as "extras".

This may all sound like a bit of a fluffy philosophy but it is derived from my personal experience and I will give you very specific examples. I was diagnosed with bipolar 1, severe... according to psychiatrist, whatever that means (several hospitalisations, psychotic manic episodes as well as severe depression etc.). I had weekly appointments for many years where I was open and direct about everything that was happening in my life as everyone encouraged me to be (boyfriend/husband, psychiatrist, friends). I shared daily struggles with all of them. Everything from benign experiences of interactions with coworkers to real fucked up stuff of delusional grandiose thinking. My psychiatrist was really into putting my husband as a trusted person into the equation. But that turned out to be detrimental to me... as everyone started beating to the sound of the same drum. Every minor obstacle became reason for concern and major intervention. That's not what I expected or wanted. For example, I'm an outgoing direct person, young and not very tactful. As such I said & did many things which could have been handled better in a work/university situation... yet anything I did was always palmed off to me having this terrible condition called "bipolar" which magically excused me of any accountability & responsibility in the eyes of others... yet somehow deep down inside of myself I knew that was me and not all of me could be explained by a medical condition. What I learned through this experience was that my psychiatrist was very good at managing critical situations where I was really loosing control but unfortunately he had the same approach with all minor issues as they were seen as risk that needed to be mitigated. I learned that I am in my nature a passionate, temperamental & slightly eccentric person, I feel and react to everyday situations deeper than most people and this is an aspect of my personality rather than a result of an illness. I can be chaotic but goal oriented at the same time. In the process of "growing up", even though I'm now in my late 20s I needed to learn how to handle myself. I organised wild parties, told people to shut the fuck up in a rather rude way, went on on eccentric self-promoting binges, ambitious as fuck, made enemies as well as friends for life etc. For periods of time all of this was managed as an illness and made me miserable, I felt obliged to hand over my life to others to judge what was normal and what was not. If I didn't sleep for a day I was one foot deep in being manic, if I felt "lazy" I was one foot into depression.... honestly, fuck this shit. I am the captain of my soul, the master of my faith. I may not be the "standard" out of the box person but I am who I am and everything I did in my life was a valuable experience and as such, even though I would have changed some things if I got the second chance, I regret nothing. I called it quits when I was experiencing what most would call a depression... I was down, not running on fully charged batteries for about 6 months and every week I got a script for new pills even though I was telling everyone I was merely having more sleep & rest, as my body instructed me, and I was still functioning close to an average person, albeit I had to struggle to achieve that. Yet it was "pill this"/"pills that", you need therapy, you're traumatised etc etc. If I followed their advice all would magically be better... but would it be better because of their advice or the pills I'm not so sure, it didn't quite work for me in the past. I saw my coworkers come to work tired on some days because their kids had tummy flu over night and kept them up, cause they inured themselves playing footy over the weekend or because they had too much to drink... they all handled it in the same way. It's okay to whinge for a while and harden the fuck up as they tell you. My coworkers took a day off for not feeling perky... and I started doing the same. I learned to accept that I'm not a super machine all the time & not everyone likes me all of the time. I make mistakes and that's okay... everyone else does too, nobody is perfect, yet we still tolerate each other. I started to pursue my crazy hobbies and vent the "manic" energy through acceptable ways, go to crazy parties and get wasted... and to be honest, I felt shit like everyone else when I overdid it... but hey, that's life. Life became life for me again, not a terrible disease... and as such I accept the hard parts, bitch about them as anyone else would and revel in the good parts, go nuts and enjoy it. Life has been full of ups and downs since then. The risk of experiencing major shit is still out there and if it happens I'll happily swallow some pills for my comfort... but to let it govern my life, no fucking way.

So whatever they tell you, focus on your functioning rather than a label/symptoms and as cruel as it may sound, toughen the fuck up like everyone else. If need be, you can always seek professional help but never let that be your first priority or think it's your weakness. Good luck!
 
I'm quite open about the fact that I have been diagnosed and for quite a while I have subscribed to the medical definition of the bipolar disorder and its impacts on one's life... my advice: don't do it. Not because of stigma or because you'd be dismissed (it will be just the opposite... anything negative related to bipolar will be emphasised) but because they'll beat it into your head that bipolar is all bad, some rigid definition of what it means and how it works. After many years I realised bipolar may not be what medical profession understands it to be as of now... it's a lot more than that and I feel that if I've never been diagnosed and left all to myself to figure it out, I would have done what's best for me and figured out how it impacts me a lot sooner if left only to myself to figure out, without any preconceptions. Instead I've been lead to believe that it is a condition that desperately needs aggressive management and is in it's core abnormal functioning of the brain. It is complex...

What I suggest you to do is to talk openly with people you trust about your experiences, not mentioning bipolar... because it's an aspect of you, a part of you, your personality or however you interpret it. The label in the end does not matter, what you're feeling & experiencing... are your subjective feelings and experiences. Don't mention the label as it may shift the focus to the label and what it entails instead of YOU.

I agree with your assessment. Bipolar may be a normal way some people's minds work. Every time I've been on medication for a longer period of time, I've started feeling like there is something important missing from my life, meaning those manic times. Regardless of the potential damage they may do, they also give you many things. Constant energy, the ability to get excited about things and maybe even start something new, a boost in sociability and self-esteem that can have any kind of results, often even good ones. And of course creative impulses which, again, can lead to many things. Losing these things is the price you pay with medication that works in avoiding manic periods.

In my case, every time I try to avoid that normal cycle through medication, I don't feel complete, and I don't achieve things as I normally might. I know that sometimes it's better to just take the meds and let it go, but it really feels like an essential part of life to just let it happen sometimes. How to distinguish when it's a good idea to let yourself get manic still eludes me. I guess it's an unpredictable chance you take every time.

Don't take my word over a medical professionals, this is just my personal view on the matter. My manic episodes have a high chance of escalating into psychotic episodes after all these years, so it's very risky for me to let it happen. But I do, sometimes.
 
Hey KitKat, you're badass. I really don't know what to say other than I can totally identify and I agree with your sentiments. The first question I have for every psychologist or psychiatrist I have is "am I just a 25 year old drama queen?" Because in all honesty I know a lot of people who can identify with my feelings. I have been in therapy for the last ten years, on and off and just last year I pretty much snapped. Only recently was I diagnosed with bipolar and this is after starting medications that were actually working, although today was fucking rough. I'm really ashamed of my behavior, and lately I cannot fucking make eye-contact (what the hell?) I had to jump off the train at a station near the shuttle to take me home. I was with my boyfriend and his mother who is only visiting for a few days. He is sick with a serious digestive illness and his mother has taken time off to spend with her son, and there I am shaking from head to toe and ready to just fucking bolt down the street to my bus. Now, I wear my heart on my sleeve, I can't lie about how I feel and I really try to be reasonable with myself. How do you explain to someone (like your boyfriend's mother) nah it's all good I just saw a green fucking cat and then later I might freak out and cry for a while, but it's cool, I got this. What the fuck!
 
Nah, you don't have to pretend all is good all the time and you don't have to be perfect either. Anyone can have a rough day... open your eyes and you will see that many other people on that train were also anxious. Some had a busy day, are worried about their exams, feel uncomfortable cause they're busting to go to the toilet and there's probably quite a few of those who simply don't like using public transport because of lack of personal space and it makes them anxious. So yeah, it's just a train ride, hold your shit together for those 30min it takes, be polite with your boyfriend and his mom, then simply say you need to go home and get some rest before continuing, you're feeling a bit stressed, uncomfortable or whatever. Other people don't always need the detailed explanation & analysis of reasons why you're feeling a certain way. They might think it's a bit strange, depending on how sensitive they are and how much they think you need to be the perfect girlfriend & around all of the time while your boyfriend is sick... but I'd say you have good chances they will not think much of it. You can get some rest, slip into comfy clothes, cry, relax for a bit or whatever you feel you need to do to release those negative feelings, then you can continue with your day, go back to visiting your boyfriend, call/chat to him. I'm sure you spend heaps of time with your boyfriend but sometimes you probably need some alone time to chill out too, no need to feel guilty for that. People's confidence and comfort levels vary, sometimes we're sociable, other times we feel awkward and there's no need to have a 1 hour consultation with a psychologist every time you feel a bit off. I call this retreat, recharge batteries and then go on :) Everyone does it.
 
Wow, sounds awesome. I'd love to get a hold of some MXE before it's banned here in the US (if it hasn't happened already).

Just stay positive ;p

Your earlier posts meant a lot to me btw though.


So it's another DXM day. I'm not particularly looking forward to it, but this depression is persistent and comes back like clockwork two days after I dose, so I'm going to keep at it and see how it works in the long run. Fortunately the physical unpleasantness can be masked by keeping myself busy (playing video games works well).

If you are gonna use it therapeutically I'd recommend only once a week, I noticed too often made it worse in the long run. You will prolly feel shitty a few days after, but a consistent weekly basis as opposed to just when feeling bad seems to fight off the depression in the longer run, but still only for a couple weeks\1, like most dissociatives I've noticed. If DXM is your main source for stability currently, good luck, but I know how that goes.. And it's not great if that's the case, good like finding the best solution for you : ) Dxm can only work for so long before it's just pure escapism, for me at least. I was doing it a few times a week, but I justified it by doing it in lower doses saying 'it isn't bad as often.' I was wrong. But I was new to it, it was my first euphoric drug experience.. It was what dragged me out of my depression, and in the end, helped me out a lot. But if I had never kicked that habit, needless to say.. I'd be in a rough place right now, if I were to even be in a place... It set me down the right road.. And not this directly to you but anyway listening: If you are using DXM therapeutically, it can be a kick starter into the right direction, but if you don't control frequency.. as 'light' as a drug this may seem, it may soon control your frequency, as well as your 'stability'. (I am mostly referring to people with Bipolar disorder.)


Also, sometimes DXM can have some rebound depression a few days after the afterglow wears off. As far as dissociatives go, I don't think it's the best therapeutically.
 
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.... honestly, fuck this shit. I am the captain of my soul, the master of my faith. I may not be the "standard" out of the box person but I am who I am and everything I did in my life was a valuable experience and as such, even though I would have changed some things if I got the second chance, I regret nothing.

The risk of experiencing major shit is still out there and if it happens I'll happily swallow some pills for my comfort... but to let it govern my life, no fucking way.

So whatever they tell you, focus on your functioning rather than a label/symptoms and as cruel as it may sound, toughen the fuck up like everyone else. If need be, you can always seek professional help but never let that be your first priority or think it's your weakness. Good luck!


That is a wonderful post even though I just pulled out my favorite parts to quote here (just for the sake of space). Really, KitKat, that is so right on that I cried.<3
 
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