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Going for the K-Hole, slightly aprehensive...

shady4091

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So, I've done Ketamine in lower doses quite a few times and I can't say I ever really enjoyed it that much. Then, about two years ago I unintentionally broke through into the higher, more psychedelic side of Ketamine and a REALLY enjoyed it. It wasn't a k-hole but it was enough to construct a virtual sort of reality with my eyes closed listening to music. I was always kind of scared to go there, but after that I felt like it really wasn't as scary as I thought it would be. Fast forward two years to now, I finally procured some more K that I've found to be fairly potent and I want to go the distance. Tonight.

I've been stoked thinking about it all day but now that I'm mere hours away from the time I set for myself, I'm getting cold feet so-to-speak. I've done a ton of mushrooms and acid and I'm no stranger to psychedelics in general but the only time I've ever been COMPLETELY removed from reality was a nightmarish Salvia trip I had a few years ago. That trip was probably the most scared I've ever been in my life and the only positive that came from it was the amazing sense of relief that came with realizing I had only smoked Salvia and I was going to be okay.

Really I'm just looking for some reassurance from some people familiar to the K-hole because I know I'm ready, I'm just nervous :s
 
in my experience I always felt very safe on ketamine, even at stupid doses (quarter gram i.v. plus quarter gram i.m., .4 gram i.v., etc) it is very comforting. even if you are nervous the way it comes on tends to be very unthreatening, and as long as you are aware of the fact that you will be safe you will be fine. if you really want to khole I suggest doing a little more than you think you need, that way you dont end up just scratching the surface and not holing. in a safe environment (in your room, on your bed, headphones nearby with the songs cued up, phone turned off, logged out of facebook, no one to bother you) you have absolutely nothing to worry about. when you decide you are sure you want to khole and are in the right mind set insufflate 60mg into each nostril. this is not a light dose, but it's also not a life threatening dose. when I want to hole I I.M. 140 mg and it is a guaranteed hole and I have very little acute tolerance. I've had big tolerances in the past but have only done k 4 times in 2 years. because insufflating has a lower ba 120mg is like doing 80 or 90mg i.m. if you aren't comfortable doing that much you can try 100 mg, if you hole the effects wont be much different from 120, but the chances of you not holing or missing the hole are higher.

any questions let me know. ketamine is an anaesthetic used in high doses in children and the elderly, it also has a long history of use on the battlefield where giving patients morphine or other anaesthetics is too dangerous without all of the monitoring equipment and crash carts they have in hospitals. i first tried ketamine when I was 10 years old in a hospital after breaking my wrist. the most important thing to remember going into a hole is to relax, if you are worked up you might fight the hole. ketamine in my experience is about giving up control and enjoying the ride, so make sure your ready to sit back and let whatever happen happen. if your not you should stick to low doses.

if you dont want to jump into 120 and you have enough for a couple doses, try 70 mg. dont expect to hole, just use it as a learning experience to become acquainted with the effects. then make sure you wait a couple days (dont try holing the same night you took 70mg, it wont work) and go for the hole.

in the words of timothy leary "tune in, turn on, drop out". we hope you enjoy your flight.
 
Wow Down, what was your trip like when you were ten?

To OP: I know the feeling, just relax and remember that though it's a similar level of dissociation and intensity, ketamine will be in every other way COMPLETELY different from salvia. Whatever experiences you're scared of from salvia, you won't encounter them again tonight. Good luck.
 
K holes are really forgiving. I'd say if you've constructed a virtual reality on K then that is basically a K hole, although it may have been mild. You'll be fine.
 
I'm just making a rough estimate based on bioavailability. I only inject i.m. so I'm not exactly sure on the snorting dose, but if you can't hole under 250mg I think there is a problem with your k. some k is cut, thats the truth, but if your talking about pure ketamine from a vial or a very reliable lab then 120 mg should be more than enough. the k I have right now (can be seen in the Ketamine Rocks thread) is very potent, and I wouldn't need more than 120 mg i.m. to hole with a tolerance.

and always sit down or better yet lie down if you are attempting to hole. the most I'll do is get up and turn off the lights after injecting a shot.
 
Sorry for the late reply, but things kept happening day-to-day that took me out of the mindset I wanted to be in so I ended up putting it off and putting it off until just last night. I was in the perfect mood, had a wonderful 4/20, my fiance beside me in bed to watch over me and it was about midnight. Unfortunately, I do not have a milligram scale so my doses are really just rough estimates based on knowing the entire bag was 1g. I cut out two lines, one about 150-175mg and another about 75-100mg. I took the larger one and went to lay down in my bed. I knew that after about 10 minutes had passed; if I was still able to, I would do the other line.

It felt fine going up, the drip burned somewhat but not overly bad. I began to feel effects quick, after about 3-4 minutes I knew I could no longer get up so I layed back and closed my eyes. The numbing sensation began to overtake me and with every minute that passed it became harder and harder to move my body. It was at this point that I noticed a rather strange, very sweet taste in mouth. All over, even licking my lips tasted sweet. I knew I wouldn't be going back for the other line so while I still could, I put on my headphones and pressed play. I had already set up a shpongle album on my ipod, ready to go. Everything started out wonderfully, the music was amazing and the closed eye visuals, very bright. I remember everything almost faded to completely white with my eyes closed. I began to lose touch with my body and just felt generally gone.

Now, this is where it gets really hazy and confusing. I started getting momentary lapses of panic, I think brought on by a combination of the music (in retrospect, shpongle was not a good choice. Something more mellow and less chaotic would have been way better) and a loss of my sense of self. I remember thinking that I really had no idea what was actually going on, who I was, whether the vague things I could remember about my real life were actually true, whether I was alive or dead or stuck in some sort of madness limbo for all eternity. My visuals were very chaotic, nothing I could really describe in words. A lot of rushing patterns flipping end over end and to be honest, the entire scope of things did have a VERY Salvia-like feel to it. I wasn't thinking this at the time, I just thought of it after.

Eventually, I couldn't take the music anymore (I think I made it through one track) so I ripped my headphones off and I must have given my fiance a hint that I was having a difficult time because from now till the end of the trip, her voice was a guiding light keeping me calm. I couldn't see her, but I would hear "You're fine, you're in a very safe place, just go with the flow, don't fight it". I didn't know what this voice was at the time, and at certain moments I would think "It's a trap, she's lying, don't listen to her" and at other moments I'd feel as though it was the voice of an angel, guiding me out of this terrible place. This went on for a while, panic, calm, panic, calm until I could finally see vague representations of my room and actually recognize them as being my room. I finally realized what was going on and then it was just a very, very slow come-down to baseline.

This is a very brief, very un-detailed account of my experience last night. Most of it I don't even really remember and what I do remember is very hard to put into words. Overall, though it wasn't nearly as terrifying as my Salvia experience it's not at all what I was expecting and I don't think I would ever repeat the experience.
 
Sorry to hear that. K trips can get scary just as much as any other, particularly, as I understand it, when you hold tight to your sense of self even as it evaporates. I fully recall the state of chaos you described from only vaguely recalling your life, and not knowing what you're doing here or who you are. For me it happened on shrooms and DXM on separate occasions. The first two times it was overwhelming. The third it was very uncomfortable, but because it wasn't completely unfamiliar, I knew I would eventually be coming back from it and I was able to relax somewhat. I feel like next time, I may be able to even enjoy the disorientation, and go with it. Difficult experiences tend to come from resistance, and the more intense the trip, the harsher the consequence.
 
I almost feel like if I did a bit more, and just went straight into a hole, it might have went better. I feel like most of the time I was just clinging to the edge of the k-hole, or slipping in and out of it. I remember feeling like I hadn't taken a breath in a really long time, or not being able to feel myself breathing and it freaked me out so I would gasp and still feel like I wasn't getting any air.

I usually have no problem letting go on other psychedelics, I've gone with the flow on many strong acid trips, but I just don't know if the dissociation thing is really for me.
 
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