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The drug bullshit thread

that the msj's that were going around for ages had diazepam in, let alone 10mg each. that was a joke
 
omt said:
that the msj's that were going around for ages had diazepam in, let alone 10mg each. that was a joke
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The first ones I had, tiny blue things most certainly did they were unevenly dosed but very strong and I had quite a tolerance at the time, I only got them once as they were so unevenly dosed they didn't suit daily use.

I heard they went to shit shortly afterwards which made me avoid them all the more
 
The roche strip ones were always SO much better! People much prefer buying strips too rather than fiddly miniscule blue dots.
 
Me and my mate strongly thought there wasnt even diaz in them for a while. Some other benzo.

This may hae been base (me) and crack (him) paranoia but they felt totally different to the roche strips to the extent I started boycotting them.
 
You can normally tell Diaz by the taste, I could at one time anyway, I think quite a few pills were being made with Phenaz at one time.

BHM I do remember that but we knew it was BS and I could get PCP at the time anyway;)
 
throughout my entire smack banging career, i considered the whole 'air bubble in the syringe can kill you' another one of these nefarious rumours, in no small way due to the fact i myself had many times injected small amounts of air in the process of extracting every last drop of the amber nectar into my poor, battered veins


..but following a conversation with my junior doctor girlfriend, it seems not only can airbubbles if big enough - stop the heart.. but its considered big enough a risk that they are all taught to legislate for it when inserting central lines by putting them at a 45degree angle with feet above head (it has a name but ive forgotten what it was) and getting patients to hold breath when removing the central line. have no idea why this would prevent airbubbles and i do tease her about doctors and their unrealistic standards/expectations but generally have found it wise to pay attention to what she says on such matters
 
The air bubble thing is bullshit. At least as far as the average IV user is concerned. You could shoot a fulll 10ml barrel of air and be fine. Much beyond that and you may be in shtook. But I doubt many folks need to be concerned about syringes that size.

And that tale you tell of feet above head and holding breath and such tomfoolery is utter bullshit.
 
i feel your anger shambles, but let me be the bearer of light for you


hospitals use much larger works than we would as standard. 3ml heads and gigantic barrels are standard, when asked she doesnt know why inherantly they go so big as standard aside from the fact that they need longer lengths for the lines and bigger volume heads for drip pressures



secondly, i would think its unwise for a drug using non-medical practitioner such as you to be challenging the words of a junior doctor such as herself, but as i am not an authority on the subject as previously stated, i will have to defer first to google and failing that, the mrs herself when i get a chance to talk to her tonight. she may be mistaken, who knows? though i doubt it
 
Well... how many recreational IV drug users do you know that use hospital drips 'n' shits? Probably not that many. At least not once the infection sets in after they've done a runner from the hospital with all the lines still attached ;)

With that in mind, the rest of your post is pretty much irrelevant. As it happens I have known quite a number of doctors and nurses over the years. Mostly also IV drug users - which is how our worlds collided, naturally. I've asked this self-same question of all of them and the answer has been the same every single time. I've also asked GPs, consultants, nurses, phlebotamists and - I think - an anaesthetist. All of whom agreed. The air bubbles thing is a myth. At least to all intents and purposes.

Much like all IV users, has been one of those perennial drug "facts" that mostly goes unquestioned. So have questioned it at every possible opportunity over the last 20-odd years. Yet to find anybody who says anything other than it being bullshit. Except your friend the junior doctor. Junior doctors never get made to do silly things like get patients to hold their breath with their feet above their heads or owt...

Also, central line might be a particular case. Necks can be iffy. Wouldn't surprise me if there were special procedures in place for such procedures. For the average IV user using 1ml insulin syringes air bubbles are absolutely not a problem though.
 
thats all very well, but i never said you could get air embolism off 1ml's, you should also google 'trendelenburg position air embolism' seeing as you just called it bullshit


although not impossible in an i.v situation, given very large works and very bad practice, i concede she was referring to the placing of catheters via central lines, sorry for the confusion, thats what you get pillow-talking shop with an MD holding nought in your hand but your dick and a fistful of gcse's
 
Er I have had crystal meth and PCP in the UK before. They were seen once each. People can disbelieve me or not whatever. Why would I lie? I can tell you a little of where they cam from and what they were like and what happened to them if anyone wants to know.

EDIT - just saw ATM you said you have had pcp here too. last time I mentioned it on here I was disbelieved and people presumed I'd just has trippy weed. :X:X
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
thats all very well, but i never said you could get air embolism off 1ml's, you should also google 'trendelenburg position air embolism' seeing as you just called it bullshit


although not impossible in an i.v situation, given very large works and very bad practice, i concede she was referring to the placing of catheters via central lines, sorry for the confusion, thats what you get pillow-talking shop with an MD holding nought in your hand but your dick and a fistful of gcse's
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So... we're agreed then. To all intents and purposes the air bubble thing is all but irrelevant to the vast majority of IV drug users. Aside from those that feel the need to stick high gauge pins with hefty barrels into their jugular and the like. Or, as I tend to think of it, those who naturally cull themselves.

But fair's fair, I will concede that in some unusual (for the vast majority of IV drug users) circumstances it is possible to die from injecting air bubbles.

Although - frankly - anybody trying to inject in such a way that such things could realistically pose a problem really should've read up on this stuff in great detail long before getting to that stage... Then again, I once knew a bloke who injected 300ml of green methadone syrup using mulitple pre-loaded 10ml barrels and one tip (which was left in his arm whilst he switched barrels... 30 times each "hit"... at least three times a day) so in all honesty very little would surprise me when it comes to such matters of stupidity/desperation.

BlindHelperMonkey said:
surprise surprise, seems the holding of breath when removing catheter to reduce risk of air embolism is also true. yet more reason to disregard everything that dribbles its way out of shamble's lopsided mouth
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Stay charming <3

Once again, central line catheterisation is hardly standard practice for IV drug users.
 
That drinking orange juice is the antidote to a bad trip - however I would let someone believe it at the time for the placebo effect.
 
We once made a bloke drink a litre of orange juice "to come down" off an acid trip. Was my 18th b'day party at my parents' place but no cunt knew this particular bloke except for the fella who got a lift off him. He also only brought one acid tab - which he promptly ate upon arrival - whilst nobody else was tripping. Schoolboy error. Man he got it rough that night... Very nearly talked him into bumming the bloke who actually was invited that he drove down to my place. Said bloke was too feisty though and fought him off. Despite repeated attempts.

We'd all gotten kinda irritated with him come daylight so told him to drink orange juice. He promptly passed out after necking a litre of it then came round half an hour later swearing blind he was sober. I have my doubts. But he was happy to drive him and the bloke he brought with him back even so.

(no teenage idiots were killed in the reminscing of this post)
 
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