Hi all. i've been on subs for a lil over two years now after about 5 months of opiate abuse. i've managed to stay clean, but i've never went through full blown wd before. my ending dose was 4mg of subs, and my last dose was about 3 and a half days ago. i'm really starting to get BAD cravings, and the symptoms are getting worse by the minute! luckily i started smoking some green to help, anywho, i have a limited supply of 1mg klonopin for my anxiety. i've been told they're your best friend through wd's. i was just wondering can you snort klonopin, and what effect does it have? i normally take only 1 mg, and sparringly at that. today i sublingualed 5 1/2mg and i went to sleep IMMEDIATELY! anywho, if i should snort them, how many do you think i should take? i only weigh 120lbs, but i've ALWAYS had a high tolerance for EVERYTHING!!! thank you all sooooo much. any input would be GREATLY appreciated. thanks all.
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Livinginthealps
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No don't snort clonazepam as it is not water soluble... Your will be wasting it. Most benzo's can no be snorted. Take it sublingually as you have been, it is the best roa.
Dude your going to be in for a world of hurt...I would recommend tapering down to .5mgs and then think about coming off. I'm just kinda puzzled that you had an opiate problem for 5 months so you decided to go on ORT for 2 years? Seems ass backwards to me. But yeah taper further or else you are going to be in for a really shitty acute withdrawal and intense PAWS following that.
Also yeah don't snort benzos, huge waste.
Also yeah don't snort benzos, huge waste.
sorry mass08 i meant 5 years. i know i'm in for hell. i ran out of insurance back in december, and i've made my last bottle last til now, but ya i'm out so i can't really taper any more. just gotta grin and bear it. btw what does roa and paws mean?
roa = route of administration. PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome, you should research this but a dumbed down version real quick is that PAWS is withdrawal symptoms that take over once the acute withdrawal ends. It is a long list and they certainly aren't fun by any means. What's tough about suboxone and methadone is because of their long half lives they have a long acute withdrawal followed by intense PAWS.
I recommend reading Swimmingdancers post about immodium and methadone withdrawal, you can find it easy by using the search function entering "immodium methadone". She lists a lot of supplements such as 5-HTP that really help with paws and will probably help your acute withdrawal as well.
Try to make those klonopins last but don't take them too long in a row because you DEFINITELY don't want to develop a dependence to those because that will put however shitty your feeling now to shame in a second. Good luck bro, stay positive, exercise is key! Even if you feel like ass just go for like a 10-15minute walk. Make sure you eat as best you can, you probably have no appetite so i recommend looking into weight-gainer shakes or any health shake that has lots of nutrients and calories.
I recommend reading Swimmingdancers post about immodium and methadone withdrawal, you can find it easy by using the search function entering "immodium methadone". She lists a lot of supplements such as 5-HTP that really help with paws and will probably help your acute withdrawal as well.
Try to make those klonopins last but don't take them too long in a row because you DEFINITELY don't want to develop a dependence to those because that will put however shitty your feeling now to shame in a second. Good luck bro, stay positive, exercise is key! Even if you feel like ass just go for like a 10-15minute walk. Make sure you eat as best you can, you probably have no appetite so i recommend looking into weight-gainer shakes or any health shake that has lots of nutrients and calories.
thank you so much! one other thing. i usually take 2m-4mg tops of klonopin a week for my anxiety, and have been for roughly 6 months. with my tolerance how much should i take? and does it produce a "high" or just make you tired as fuck like valium...had a BAD experience takin WAY too many valium before lol.i was never into benzo's so i'm kind of new here. i know EVERYTHING there is to know bout opiates, but i never got into benzos. i really need somethin to help get me through this. thanks all. bluelight fo life!
IDK I personally hate benzos but i also hate alcohol. There is no euphoria associated with benzos just sedation and anxiolysis. 2mg-4mg a week for 6 months? Thats not good my man I'm afraid you might already be dependent upon benzos. I would see if 1mg helps during the day and take another mg at night ONLY if you can't sleep but I don't know I really have no experience with them. Your going to have sleep disturbances for quite a while...so IDK if you should take it during the day or night or both? Do you have a stable supply because if so I'm 90% sure your already dependent on them you should just keep taking them till your confidently through your sub detox and then taper and detox from those.
You should check out The Dark Side subforum here on bluelight. It's an awesome place for people like you and me who are getting clean
You should check out The Dark Side subforum here on bluelight. It's an awesome place for people like you and me who are getting clean
IDK I personally hate benzos but i also hate alcohol. There is no euphoria associated with benzos just sedation and anxiolysis. 2mg-4mg a week for 6 months? Thats not good my man I'm afraid you might already be dependent upon benzos. I would see if 1mg helps during the day and take another mg at night ONLY if you can't sleep but I don't know I really have no experience with them. Your going to have sleep disturbances for quite a while...so IDK if you should take it during the day or night or both? Do you have a stable supply because if so I'm 90% sure your already dependent on them you should just keep taking them till your confidently through your sub detox and then taper and detox from those.
You should check out The Dark Side subforum here on bluelight. It's an awesome place for people like you and me who are getting clean
thanks man. i hate alcohol as well, though it has been looking REALLY delicious the past couple days. its like i just want to take ANYTHING that could help numb the pain. i have back pains so bad i cant sleep, but alcohol fucks my stomach up BAD, and my stomach is in the worst shape of my life as it is! i havent drank in over 4 years. i just started smokin herb again after 3 years. the green seems to help numb my nerves and aches temporarily and it makes me tired. i'm almost positive that i'm not addicted to the klonopin. i can go a week or so without taking a single one and feel fine. but anyone else have a suggestion on dosage?
Mr.Scagnattie
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You hopped off at way too high a dose of suboxone. Who told you that was a good idea?
As for the klonopin.. take it orally. The BA is very high so taking it any other way is a waste.
If I were you, I'd get back on the suboxone and taper way further down, or you're going to be in for a long/shitty kick.
As for the klonopin.. take it orally. The BA is very high so taking it any other way is a waste.
If I were you, I'd get back on the suboxone and taper way further down, or you're going to be in for a long/shitty kick.
OntarioGuy
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I take it sublingually...But I heard that water solubility doesnt matter when snorting drugs....if it absorbs rectally,sublingually why not nasally?I'm just saying is all...most of our clonazepam pills in Canada have a minty flavour and are unpleasent to snort...
That said I have a friend who does snort them, and no matter how much i tell him or S/L them in front of him,his mind just cant be changed...he says the onset is more rapid....but i find the onset of S/L to be really fast.
I thought fat/lipid solubility had more to do with nasal drug absorbtion then water solubility...Am I wrong? please correct me if i am....I'm in the mood for some stimulating conversation
cj
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Ouch man ouch... Some good advice so far but ill repeat some and try to add my own. Kratom order some of the strong extract now its easy as hell to find just do a google search. Loperamide (immodium) this stuff actually works really well and in combo with kratom and kolonopin could make you feel human for a few hours. On top of thaty get some multivitamins, fruit, jello, gatorade stay eating and hydrated. Depending on how much kpin you have I would take like 1.5mg every 6 hours maybe more at night to sleep. But you wanna be careful not to get hooked on those so dont take for more than 2 weeks. But yeah thats gonna be rough. But those kpins will be clutch.
Hey, new member just butting in here ....been reading this thread. I definately recommend Kratom as a substitute for subs. I mean, its better than nothing. Even a damn tramadol is better than nothing. I have bought from *no mentioning sources* If your insurance ran out, aren't there some government programs that might be able to help? A pain management clinic, crisis center, or recovery clinic? Maybe someone can point you in the right direction. Good luck! Also, I would just take as little kpin as possible just so u can sleep. I am supposed to take 7mg a week for panic attacks/anxiety and probably take 1mg a week as needed, get too damn tired!!!
Oh yeah, I wanna know more about the immodium thing, I've never heard of it before....
....been reading this thread. I definately recommend Kratom as a substitute for subs. I mean, its better than nothing. Even a damn tramadol is better than nothing. I have bought from *no mentioning sources* If your insurance ran out, aren't there some government programs that might be able to help? A pain management clinic, crisis center, or recovery clinic? Maybe someone can point you in the right direction. Good luck! Also, I would just take as little kpin as possible just so u can sleep. I am supposed to take 7mg a week for panic attacks/anxiety and probably take 1mg a week as needed, get too damn tired!!!Oh yeah, I wanna know more about the immodium thing, I've never heard of it before....
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Bambooshoot
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If you had read through the thread you'd know that he has run out of insurance and therefore has been forced to jump off at that dose. And to the OP I find long baths, reading, listening to music all good ways to pass the time when in WD cause the boredom really makes things worse I find. I've only been through heroin withdrawal though which is a little more intense but shorter in duration. Weed is great for taking your mind off the WD's. I know substituting one drug for another is a bad idea and that you said you don't like alcohol but the odd wee beer I find to be very calming too. It's great you've got the Klonopin, I've never tried it but have heard they are your best friend in WD's. Loperamide is another life saver if you don't already know it is an over the counter anti-diarrhea medicine. It is in fact an opiate, most people mistakenly think it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, it does but only some of it makes it through which is why it's an OTC medicine. They come in 2mg tables I'm not sure where you are here in the UK you can only but boxes of 12 but in the US of I beleive you can but them in tubs of 72 from the cash and carry. For alleviating WD's you'd prob need a dose of about 20mg don't quote me on that though best to check out the loperamide mega thread for more info. Just make sure not to take them too often as they are addictive. Also I know you prob won't have much of an appetite atm (weed might help with that) but eating properly and keeping hydrated will help you to feel a little better too. That's everything I can think of to you help you! Good luck you can and will get through this and will come out the other end a stronger person. Hope this helped.
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Treefa
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bro there is nothing we can do to help you besides tell you to not snort klonopin. Eat that shit.
If you try to replace opiates with benzos you will be sorley dissapointed.
I was in some pretty bad wds yesterday afternoon, and finally came across some diphenoxylate and ambien. This was a really good combo, about 15 lomotil and i only took 1 10mg ambien and they took away the chills and helped with the pain, and this morning i'm fine (i've been dosing all night, no sleep. taking about 3 lomotil an hour) but at this rate i'll be out in no time.
Good luck bro
If you try to replace opiates with benzos you will be sorley dissapointed.
I was in some pretty bad wds yesterday afternoon, and finally came across some diphenoxylate and ambien. This was a really good combo, about 15 lomotil and i only took 1 10mg ambien and they took away the chills and helped with the pain, and this morning i'm fine (i've been dosing all night, no sleep. taking about 3 lomotil an hour) but at this rate i'll be out in no time.
Good luck bro
soooo....any idea of the dose of klonopin i should take? i just took 5mg...hasn't kicked in yet, but i'm givin it a lil time before taking any more. music does help TREMENDOUSLY tho. its bout the only thing thats been keeping me sane, other than the weed, and hell ihavent smoked in over 3 years! beer has been looking sooo delicious lately, just to dumb down the pain, but everytime i drink i get gutrot for DAYS, and my stomache is fucked beyond beleife already. thank you all so much!!!!
DickTate
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5mg is way too much! That is equivalent to 50-100mg Diazepam, depending on the conversion charts...
Look into Kratom, it could help you a lot, as could Gabapentin (Neurontin) & Pregabalin (Lyrica) if you can get them somehow.
And definitely avoid alcohol, especially if it affects your stomach so much. The belly will already be way overactive during wd.
Good luck!
Look into Kratom, it could help you a lot, as could Gabapentin (Neurontin) & Pregabalin (Lyrica) if you can get them somehow.
And definitely avoid alcohol, especially if it affects your stomach so much. The belly will already be way overactive during wd.
Good luck!
well i think it kicked in...feelin kinda woozy. not sure if its the klonopin or the weed.finally started to feel somewhat human, and decided to try to play my guitar to soothe my nerves, and my fucking e string broke! FUCK ME!!! i dont have to worry bout od on klonpin do i? i didnt think 5mg was that much. question 2:if i take say 5mg in the morning, could i take more later and have the same effect? question 3: whats the max limit someone should take on klonopin? p.s. i only have MAYBE 30ish 1mg klonopin left, so i'm not too worried bout dependancy. thanks all!
Money Murda
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Well guys iv been addicted to subs for a bout a yr in half havent missed a day been taking 1-2 a day everyday and im down to my last 2 subs iv never iv'ed anything but last night i started iv'ing my last ones to make them last much longer just wanted to talk to someone about this and how long the half life of subs r when iv'ing them?