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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 2)

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In the end i actually went for a little 2cc at the 8h mark. Low dose as it was more out of curiosity... Wasnt really worth it because it didnt really add much...
Ill give dpt a go some other trial. Snorting it while already high seemed rather unpleasant at the time...
 
I did some reading but obviously it's going to take ages to read 60 odd pages of b&d info over three threads.

Is DOC worthwhile at lower dosages or is it one of those compounds (like 25d-NBOMe for instance) which only tends to shine at +++ levels? I was thinking of dosing 2mg to get a moderate ++. IE enough to get an idea of the substance's unique character and timeline while still being able to socialise with people.

Does the dose sound about right for the intended effects? (85kg, 173cm male. Experienced psychedelic user.)

Also how many hours in to the experience would you say it's worthwhile to redose? Lets say I'm not where I want to be in 3 hours after ingestion. Would I be able to top up with a milligram or two or will tolerance be starting to kick in?
 
I took it at ++ and loved it. Great day with nice energy, music enhancement etc.
 
Dose?

Was it much more intense than a ++ would be in 2c-b for instance?

Edit: after more reading I think I'm going to go for 2mg with a 1mg supplement if needed at 2.5-3 hours. Can someone comment on whether in their opinion the supplement will be subject to tolerance?
 
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1.2mg vaporised. I preferred it to 2C-B, it seemed a bit more visual, a bit less tame.
 
Great, thanks for the info. I also find 2c-b a little too pedestrian.

You vaporised the salt?
 
a ++ is a ++ regardless of substance... thats my understanding of it anyway, it is though a subjective measure of trip intensity....

anyway, it is a chem that does work well at lower doses, but the visual apsects will only manifest at a medium dose, at least in my case.

a 2mg dose should still leave you able to socialize and function without raising suspicion.
the 1mg redose should work, but ime not if you take it after the 3h mark. actually, while ive not redosed that much, i can say that a redose works for sure up until the 2hmark. ymmv of course.

the doses i took were all oral
 
Yeah, it's obviously difficult to compare, and perhaps intensity is the wrong word but I think it is what anon0631 is looking for.

Phenethylamines don't tend to build tolerance very quickly so you should be OK to redose.
 
Hmm not sure I agree about phenethylamine tolerance. It could be down to a difference in our respective brain chemistries I guess.

Intensity isn't the right word. I'm still searching for the right word but I'm sure you know what I mean. "Psychedelic significance" maybe?
 
IME DOC carries "psychedelic significance" at low doses. I started with 2.5mg. It was only a +2 experience, but it was still very psychedelic. DOC has a great headspace. Its like LSD, where you can still get very psychedelic effects from small doses.

I redosed DOC once at the 12 hour mark. For me, there was little to no loss of intensity for the second trip.
 
Hehe, thanks Anon0631 for asking exactly what i also wanted to know ;)

Could you report back after you've tested DOC @2mgs?
 
How is the amphetamine aspect of this drug? I usually found 25i-nbome to be very cracked out and over-stimulating feeling at times but I've heard people say this is more of a relaxed trip


I mostly just wonder because this has amphetamine in the chemical name



I plan on starting low-ish (1.5mg)

I'm looking forward to this chem a lot
 
DOC isn't that pushy at all. It's a great, relaxed drug for a lot of people. If you start low and work your way up slowly, I'm sure it'll treat you well.
 
Doc rocks!

1.5mg is fine for a low tolerance person. Lowest active dose I've tried was 1mg, the day after a 1.5mg hit. The 1mg dose definitely still worked, but I am particularly sensitive so no guarrantee such a low dose will work unless you're the same as me! Highest dose so far was 2mg, only duration appeared to be affected, 2mg lasted longer but didn't seem hugely more intense.
 
Yesterday i tried it for the first time.

I ate a small bowl of oatmeal with soy milk for breakfast at T-3h

and dropped at T0h I dropped somewhere between 0.5mg and 1mg. It was my first try witht he substance.

At T+0h30 there was definite onset.

T+1.5h I was definetly tripping, be it very mild.

At T+3h I thought i'd reached the peak but it felt as if it was still building (very slowly and gradually) until T+5h.
There was vision enhancement but no visuals. Which is what I aimed for with a low dose for the first time.

It kept going and going, I even went riding my bike at T+10h (midnight in the real world).
I also had a lot to eat during the trip, but I put that down to the low dose and the vaping of lots of weed.

At T+12h I was still going, mildly but unmistakenably. I put myself down vaping weed, which went easier than expected.

At T+20h my eyes were almost back to normal but not quite.
At T+22h I was back to baseline, but with a tremendous afterglow. Energy, hapiness, confident.

Good stuff, even at this low dose. Next time I will try 1-1.5mg.
I expect my sweet spot to be around 2.5-3mg.
This is definetly a friends or group thing.
I mostly trip when I'm alone and this was no expection. But this time I wanted fellow trippers around me.
Normally, I only have that using empathogens/entactogens or maybe something like 5MeODiPT/MiPT. Are we sure DOC is not a releaser/RI ? :)

I think I'm going to try this on a festival (1.5-2mg). Head seems clear enough at low dose.
 
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DOC isn't that pushy at all. It's a great, relaxed drug for a lot of people. If you start low and work your way up slowly, I'm sure it'll treat you well.
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Yeah it's just a strange thing since the reports on it go from people saying it's like speed with a psychotic twist/acid on meth or a good well round relaxed psychedelic


Perhaps there's mislabeled batches that go around on occasion and people get DOB or DOI (which are said to be more tweaky and have more side effects) and end up thinking it's DOC


ALso one strange thing I was looking through the first big and dandy thread and one of the more frequent DOC users on there stated that one time when he took this compound he got an extreme vasoconstriction effect from it where he felt like if he were to stretch his legs all the way his veins might have snapped. yikes,

I guess there's always gonna be odd/random reactions with any sort of drug, though..... hmmm
 
The stimulation is like being wide awake with not even a yawn after the very psychedelic phase has waned. Consistently and comfortably awake. When taking other peas/trypts I feel tired as hell and fried waiting for sleep that feels like it will never come. It's pretty okay if you have the house or time to yourself for 24 hours.

And the vasoconstriction was like a damn high dose of 25i (being the only nbome I've tried). Pretty uncomfortable and annoying. Extremities started to lose color. Kinda in anxiety territory. This was at 4mg of doc. I do recall my 2.5mg experience having less vasoconstriction but still there. Both times a hot shower helped make me feel more comfortable.

It really is a festival drug and something I'd only want to take if there's a legitimate reason to be tripping for 12-16 hours plus a good eight more hours of a slightly stimulated afterglow.
 
When you took 4mg and got the bad vasoconstriction was it in cold weather? That can usually be a pretty big contributor
 
I forgot to add:

During the comeup and the first hour or so of the plateau, I monitored my heart rate.
It was around 65, which is my normal resting heart rate, albeit on the low side.
When I stood up or moved about, it quickly shot up to 100-110, but settled towards 80-90.

Also, my extremities (hands and feet) were cold, I suppose due to vacoconstriction ? Warming up felt nice :).

To the poster(s) comparing it to speed. The first and second hour definetly resembled amphetamine, for me.
I dropped and then went to do the dishes, the plan being to take a shower afterwards.
I ended up cleaning the whole kitchen, and I had to stop myself from doing the rest of the house. :)
Obviously the dose was low, so that probably has to do with it.
 
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