Mass/size of DMT versus Ketamine?

[thatdreamer123]

I just received 500mg of high purity DMT and 1000mg of ketamine of equal purity.

But the ketamine, appears to be much less in quantity than the DMT. I do not have a scale to weigh this, but I will in the next week or so. This was just concerning me so I'd just ask. Is DMT simply "bigger" than ketamine?

Thanks!

Also, if I cannot acquire a scale that measures to the .01 (in that case I will only have access to .1 scales). What can I do for either substance? I know ketamine must be either injected (I will not do this) or insuffulated, therefore dispersing it in liquid to get doses would not work, and I realize how important it is to know EXACTLY how much you consume of such a powerful substance.

 

[2002Tii]

Solution: spend 20 dollars on a scale

Also ketamine has a higher molar mass so less powder should weigh more compared to dmt, I'm not saying that the one with less powder is ketamine for sure though.

 

[thf]

It could depend on how tightly the powders are packed. For example, was either of them vacuum packed? I don't know how much that would affect it all in all though. I think you may have been a bit shorted; a gram of K shouldn't be less than a half gram of DMT no matter how you slice it. As far as doses of K go, if you're going to be insuffulating your doses weigh out as much as you plan to use and then do small bumps and feel your way into it. It's not as if K is a psychedelic where the difference between 10 and 20 mgs is the difference between body high and ego death. Regardless, NOTHING substitutes for a good scale. Trust nothing and no one other than what you observe yourself.

 

[Solipsis]

Don't try eyeballing, or at least don't pretend like you can properly judge a drug by the way it looks. (It has little to do with the route of administration by the way.) Most compounds can exist as tickly packed crystals or fluffy powders, or loose powder containing clumps that have a surprisingly high density that can come out of nowhere out of a sudden and everything in between. Trying to eye things works until all of a sudden it doesn't.
Compounds that have a high molar mass may have a tendency to have higher density when comparing average crystal masses but that is about it. You cannot actually use that information because in practice the way the crystals / powder specks are formed can easily turn that the other way around....

.... instead get a proper milligram scale, check the Big & Dandy Scale thread (see the Psychedelic Index where it is listed), they really don't have to cost a whole lot. Don't assume anything like that until you have read that thread well.

0.1 g scales are near useless when weighing 500 mg. If you had multiple grams to weigh then volumetric measurement could have been used creatively.

For people who are experienced with ketamine, careful titration of a ketamine batch when snorting can be done. If you are a beginner, I wouldn't try that.

@thatdreamer, You can respond with comments or questions before this thread is closed but we do not support discussion of things like eyeballing or other such alternatives for the right thing to do.

(other posts may be unapproved)

 

[rickolasnice]

I've noticed with DMT that it will look like loads of product but weigh next to nothing..

But yeah.. buy some scales

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Don't try eyeballing,

I have eyeballed both DMT and ketamine many times.

In the interest of harm reduction, you should still get a scale, and liquid measure out dosages.

 

[Venrak]

^I don't get it. Giving the sense of something being so easy, and then suggesting that the OP do the opposite is contradictory and sounds like it could start them thinking that there isn't anything to it aside from "eh, that looks like 50mg", and that scales are not imperative for the novice (and veteran, tbh)

 

[Black]

Solution: spend 20 dollars on a scale

Also ketamine has a higher molar mass so less powder should weigh more compared to dmt, I'm not saying that the one with less powder is ketamine for sure though.

molar mass doesn't say anything about the density of a compound and even less about how much it looks. you can have one substance with a high molar mass form a fluffy powder that looks like a lot but weighs very little and a compound with a low molar mass forming dense crystals, where just a tiny speck ways a lot more than you'd expect. but yes, the solution is a scale if you want to know how much you're taking.

but i don't think that scales are essential for ketamine and dmt. you can start with a tiny bit and gradually increase your dose with both drugs (especially as the op doesn't plan on injecting).

 

[Solipsis]

Yes density overrules molar mass, but I still think that as the molecular mass goes up molecular mass so does the average tendency for compound to be heavy by volume - if all other factors stay the same. Compounds that have many heavy atoms in them *tend* to weigh more but Black is right that this tendency is useless to try and predict something because morphology and density overrule any average making many cases into seeming "exceptions".

In conclusion:
The TS has said that he/she realizes the importance of knowing your doses in general and that a scale is coming. Though it is highly inaccurate for the involved doses so a milligram scale is recommended already (again, if you can afford something like ketamine you can afford a cheap ass scale, and you can enjoy the thing for years to come).
It is easy to get unexpected results with eyeballed DMT and I would not do it unless you are ready to accept any intensity of trip. With ketamine it is more common to eyeball and in the right setting typically not that big of a problem.

(And generally, if I may say so, I don't think we need any more advice saying one thing, with personal experience added to the contrary)

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