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Heroin micron filters?

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Micron filters?

My gf is a an on and off recovering addict (that's the most fitting description) and uses cigarette filters. I googled syringe filter and did find some links, including amazon but she and I are completely unaware of these. Could anyone provide more info (even better if they can link to some or confirm the ones at amazon are good.) We live in Ohio and needles are illegal without a script (this is why ohio leads the country per captia for hep c) so she uses standard insulin needles.

Ok, so I found the megathread and have a little info but could someone either respond here or message me with an idiots version of use? I know next to nothing about IV, I don't like watching her do it. Can she even use these with the needles she has to use? (due to not being able to get needles easily, luckily she knows an insulin user who gives her new needles regularly.) I want to keep her as safe as possible until she finally does kick this habit, she already has hep c (most of the IV users in the area do.)
 
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Ok so upon more reading, and education, it appears the micron filters are only used with syringes that have removable needles?

So I would have to acquire at least a type of syringe that shown in the mega thread. Does it have to have a needle or can the filtered solution be ejected into say a shotglass or something else clean?

Pretty much she uses a spoon, the top of the plunger to mix it, and then a cig filter. I want to get her a tiny motar & pestle for mixing and a set up for filtering.

Sorry for being a newbie on this but I am. I've never used IV and don't like watching her do it. She prefers I don't watch as I'm not a user she feels uncomfortable, like I'm judging her if I watch. I just want her as safe as can be.
 
Hey there,

Welcome to BL, I'm glad you're expressing interest in your significant other's long-term health.

We can't help you acquire the micron filters, but just use Google. Yes, the type of syringe you will want is the "removable needle" syringes, the actual term for this, is a Luer Lock Syringe, if she's used to insulin / use-and-destroy type needles, it's likely that she's using a 29 gauge needle.

I recommend that you get a box (containing 100) 29ga needles, the kind that can be used both for micron filtration and drug administration, the luer lock type. Most importantly, get a pack of micron filters, remember that 0.2um is TINY and will clog VERY easily if not prefiltered adequately. From experience, I have obtained the best results from first filtering my solution through sterile compressed cotton, then through a 0.45um micron filter, then filtered through a final 0.2um micron filter.


So, I've summarized what you need in order to perform micron filtration and hopefully reduce the amount of health consequences involved with your significant other's long-term wellbeing, I will tell you what to search for once again: 29 ga luer lock box, 0.45um and 0.2um micron filters.
 
Thank you!

Google and I became well acquainted yesterday on the subject.

Hoping I don't cross any rules here.

Her normal prep is with a spoon (which rarely if ever get cleaned.) I was looking originally at perhaps a tiny mortar and pestle, many times what she gets is very chunky, either stainless or ceramic which can be washed with alcohol, but now I'm wonder if it's best to do as the micro filter MT showed with pills and just put it directly in the syringe with water and shake shake shake? Then use the two filter method as you explain?

She's on the streets at the moment otherwise I would be discussing with her and as I said I am a complete newb. I just worry, she had an abcess or infection of some type on her right arm and now is not ever supposed to use that vein. I am going to introduce her to a few threads when she shows back up, in particular about different injection sites as she now uses the left elbow exclusively (except one day she couldn't get the vein so she did use the right arm which caused a great deal of pain.)

Hopefully all this is moot soon, she may be going into jail for 30-60 days soon and when she gets out we can find acceptable methods of dealing with her addiction. She's been in the methadone program for a bit now but they are jerking her around on her levels. They have flat out stated she should be at 70-90, but are keeping her at 30 because she keeps missing a day or two a week.
 
I'm not planning to do it. I need the idiots version so I understand it and can explain it to her. I had believed that after 11 years of use (since age 14) she knew what she was doing, I've learned from the threads I've read she doesn't. So I want to fully understand the safety precautions and procedures so I can get her to adopt them.

And based on what I've read, well over half the IV users out there don't know what they are doing. This is based on other peoples posts and opinions, not mine.
 
The point is moot now. After reading your thread and some others I have a basic understanding of how the filters work. Her filtering is the needle in a filter sucking it up. These at least in your example work the opposite, you are ejecting the contents from the syringe. They need to be used only with screw on (lock) type removable needles not the standard insulin ones she and others I know use.

When I first learned of these filters I just assumed they were just like a cig filter and they drew the fluid up through it.

See how basic my understanding is now? I knew next to nothing. Needles in particular scare me, in conjunction with drug use they terrify me because I was told needle use = addiction you may never break free of. Seeing her life, and what heroin has done to her, I'm inclined to agree. I'm not passing judgement here, simply stating my life experience. I understand the desire to get a better high as well as the difficulty breaking free from addiction, though not to the extent I see her suffer though, mine was bad enough. My partying experience was always off the cuff. Granted I always tried to improve it, and make it safer, but I'm 20 years out of practice.

I pretty much understand the concept at this point. I have to get her some of the lock type syringes and needles as well as the filters for filtration. I will also get her some standard insulin needles because she's more comfortable with them, and I can hand them out to others.
 
^ glad to hear you have a good understanding. The pictures are really helpful and I'm glad I included those when making the thread.

You're also right, some people never break free from the needle, just like other people may never break free from a liquor bottle or cigarettes.
 
True. And yes they were.

Any addiction can be tough to break, opiates I think are worse for the person because of the physical detox that accompanies it. Cigarettes though I've been told are worse due to their legality and ease of obtaining as well as seeing people smoking everywhere but also because many people associate smoking with certain everyday activities. I quit for 8 months, however when I began online gaming again, first thing I did was borrow a smoke from my sister whom was living with me at the time, then a pack, then a few hours later I went out and bought a pack of my own. No urges even for the last 3 months, an hour in front of the computer and boom I was back smoking.

If you don't mind my ignorance, Here's my grasp using info from above and your thread. I need lock syringes, at least 2. As I said I believe she prefers the tiny insulin ones for use, so I'm going with the assumption she will use those. So I need 2 lock syringes, .45 and .2 filters. I prefer this idea, we've had 7 deaths in the area from heroin use, not od's but complications. It turns out that people are cutting it with chocolate pudding mix and powered sugar, her people don't but you never know. Anyway, put one filter on each, put the water and media into the .45 and shake till dissolved. Then eject it into the second syringe with the .2 filter. Then eject to her syringe for use.

Do I need needles on the filters or can it just be ejected without? I imagine it would be difficult though getting it into those tiny insulin needles. Would reusing the needle for ejection only, be ok provided it was I guess soaked in alcohol and then rinsed? Not sure on needle cost, and since I foot the bill when she's around if I can save money I'd like to, but not at the cost of her safety. Again, these needles will only be used for dispensing from one applicator to the next. For use I always make sure she has a new one.

Sorry to be annoying just want to make sure I have the concept down. Discussing this with her can be difficult, and if I get confused while explaining it, she will want to ditch the entire effort.
 
NICE ADVISE BRO!, on the double filter suggestion. since opiates are extremly water soluable id imagine you get the cleanest shot possible with minimal contaminates. now i just need the coveted micron filters and luer lock rigg.
 
I personally don't see the point of using a 29g syringe. Even without micron I could get my solution in a 31g pin. Smaller pin would yield a smaller puncture so less area of infection, less damage to veins less bleeding upon retracting needle, etc. Wouldn't using the smallest pin be best for HR purposes?
 
Always impresses me when I see new users actively doing research on safe practices and not just taking what they see in movies or their friends' procedure as gospel.

Kudos to you OP and keep being smart about this. It'll save you a lot of grief in the future starting off right now.
 
Serotonin101 said:
I personally don't see the point of using a 29g syringe. Even without micron I could get my solution in a 31g pin. Smaller pin would yield a smaller puncture so less area of infection, less damage to veins less bleeding upon retracting needle, etc. Wouldn't using the smallest pin be best for HR purposes?
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Eh, it's a matter of preference / skill really. I honestly couldn't work with a 31ga because metaphorically speaking, it feels like I'm trying to suck up a milkshake through the worlds smallest straw, even when this symbolic "milkshake" in real life is a perfectly aqueous solution, 31ga has always been way too small for me, But yeah for HR purposes, if she can get it to work properly using a 31ga. See I sometimes have trouble registering with a 31ga, never with a 29.
 
Yeah I always used the short tips cuz I got awesome surface veins. My veins bulge out with the thickness of a #2 pencil so I was blessed advanced junkie.
 
When I was using the larger veins in my upper arms, I would use bigger needles. They were just easier to inject with in dense areas of the body.

But, when I started having to use the smaller delicate veins in my hands and whatnot, those bigger syringes would have destroyed me, so it's good to switch to the smaller ones like 30's and 31's.
 
Not to veer off topic but is she taking medication for hep C? From what I understand it's easiest to treat in the first 6 months after it is detected. Are you taking steps to avoid contracting it or had bloodwork done to make sure you haven't contracted it?
 
She's long past the first 6 and no she's not stable enough to start the treatment, I've done a shitton of research on it and one of the biggest issues is if you even miss a day once you begin you can cause the entire treatment to fail and cannot retry for several years. I can't get her to the methadone clinic for 7 days in a row so they will up her dose, I'm not gonna push something with far more responsibility. Hopefully soon.

Mr.Scagnattie: Actually it really is for my girlfriend. Needles terrify me as do opiates because it was banged into my head opiates = bad addiction, and seeing what she's going through just in the time I've known her, plus the stories she's told of her life... I still have curiosity but I know my personality, recreational use would last -1- day before full on Oh Fuck! I'm outta control would take over.

I just want her as safe as can be until she does kick this habit.
 
Btw, I did ask some questions in my previous post could anyone field them to make sure I know what I'm doing?

She has always used the standard insulin needles and I -thought- she preferred them so I am asking based on her actually shooting with those. However I was told today by the woman who gives her fresh needles that she doesn't like them because the needles bend easily (though I have to wonder if that's from reuse.)

given that: the luer lock syringes would only be used for prep and filtration, so I need 2 of those, 2 filters, and I guess the blunt needles would work? She mixes in the syringe with the .45, then ejects it to the second syringe with the .22 then ejects it to her little 1 piece insulin syringe?

Another probably silly question, bottled spring water be best for her to use? Our city actually has water that wins awards for clean and taste but still.

The reason I ask about blunts is I did find the filters and syringes on one site everyone is probably familar with but I can't find the needles, or rather I found very few and were all HUGE like 16-20 gauge, and again being completely ignorant here, I don't know if they are all universal or not. They also seem much longer, her insulin needles are tiny things, even the long ones.
 
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