Drinking your own urine

[aussie101]

fucking ridiculous. don't make me pull out wastewater engineering facts on you idiots

 

[thikal]

If I am in a desert, with my last GBL dose, I would use my urine to dilute it.

 

[crazycatman]

fucking ridiculous. don't make me pull out wastewater engineering facts on you idiots

Please show me a credible study stating that urine from healthy people is dangerous assuming you get your hydration from somewhere else.

 

[aussie101]

Please show me a credible study stating that urine from healthy people is dangerous assuming you get your hydration from somewhere else.

Toxicity of Normal Urine from Ohio State Professor
I haven't even started with peer review sources from my own University. Would you like to see any more?

Do NOT drink your urine.

Toxicity of Schizophrenic Urine
Some of you Urine drinkers sound schizophrenic

Ammonia Toxicity to Fish
Good enough for me not to ever drink piss

Ammonia Toxicity on NMDA receptors
Drinking your urine will further fuck up your brain

I don't wanna talk about piss all day but let me know if you are not getting the message.

 

[sekio]

Thanks, aussie101, but it is not neccesary to post 5 insulting posts in a row here. We do have an 'edit' button.

Also, the toxicity of pure, gaseous ammonia doesn't prove anything about urine. The "ammonia" in urine is fixed as salts (ammonium phosphate, ammonium chloride) and people ingest those without any problems. Ammonium carbonate is used in German baking as "Hirschhornsalz" as a leavening agent.

Second, the paper you chose in the "toxicity of urine" involves scientists making a concentrated extract of four litres of human piss and injecting it into a mouse! How that extrapolates to drinking small amounts of urine is a mystery.

I know it may sound disgusting but there is no real evidence to prove that small amounts of urophagia are going to make you sick. Of course if you subsist of your piss for weeks and weeks that's a different story.

Again, could you provide evidence showing drinking urine in moderation is acutely toxic? How do people film german piss porn without liability?

 

[aussie101]

Dangerous metals your body is attempting to flush from your system. Do I need to explain why it is a bad idea to put these back in your body? At the wastewater engineering plant there are ways to get these metals out of the water so that it does not harm the environment. Your body is also trying to flush these out.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277859/
http://www.ugr.es/~fgil/ficheros/publicaciones/Environ%20Int%202010.pdf

I am well aware that ammonia is a gas at room temperature. However in liquid form ammonium ions and ammonia interchange back and forth. Have you ever smelled cat urine - ammonia. When ammonia enters the body as a result of breathing, swallowing or skin contact, it reacts with water to produce ammonium hydroxide. This chemical is very corrosive and damages cells in the body on contact.

 

[What 23]

The amounts we are talking about pose no threat. Nobody is advocating drinking all of their urine.

 

[aussie101]

The amounts we are talking about pose no threat. Nobody is advocating drinking all of their urine.

Pose no threat perceivable to anyone desperate enough to try it. Urine is waste. Are you saying someone drinking some of their urine is different to drinking "all of their urine"? There is still dangerous waste products from your body in there regardless of the amount.

 

[blight12]

Pose no threat perceivable to anyone desperate enough to try it. Urine is waste. Are you saying someone drinking some of their urine is different to drinking "all of their urine"? There is still dangerous waste products from your body in there regardless of the amount.

Come now, you allude to the fact that drinking a specific or small amount will be dangerous and carry the risks you mention in entirety. Obviously you know this is not the case and there are moderating factors and scenarios where you statement is false no matter it being true for a specific one. Why would you post something you must know is not correct in many but one certain scenario. I admit i cant guess as to your motivation to do.

I feel a preaching session is necessary! I apologise in advance.

I think the important point here is to be able to consider and discuss such things from a nutral (sp cant fix it and i cant spell!) point of view and consider the potential options and specific details on the topic because without a doubt there are always options or levels or factors or circumstances where the item or topic in question would provide different results from the general opinion depending on specific interaction or situations and thats only usable if you take the time to look beyond the obvious or the commonly known info and take a moment to think beyond what we might have been led to believe by society or family or social stigmas and the rest of the constant barge of stuff telling us how we should think and act. Sheep mentality just limits your own potential, its just not necessary and easy to toss away.

One concept that i found immensely useful is that black and white views or single opinions on things as simply good or bad or XXX is always misleading and only hurts the holder of this way of thinking and does not allow the possibility of alternative potential or compromise and it wont identify opportunities to learn something new or at least interesting or entertaining and i guess it teaches you to be open to new ideas and accepting of other peoples opinions, which leads to more understandings and insights and further personal growth and potential value gained out of life, i can go on and on, but i need to keep some advantages to my self

For example obviously drinking urine is a bad idea in general and nobodys going to argue that point but its probably safe at some level or at some usage regularity and your dangers are likely through regular or high level usage but its not the entire picture and the only valid result or fact on the topic.

Its obvious reading this thread isnt about the viability of drinking urine for the purposes of doing so and rather a discussion on the topic to determine the actual facts and results from this interesting topic that im sure most people are not 100% clear about. If the safety of piss consumption is not interesting or worth discussion then you are missing out lol. At least its an opportunity to practice more useful methods of dealing with information.

So yeah bad idea sure, dangerous certinally in certain scenarios but your statements and claims are simply stating the obvious that we all already know and agree with and we are already discussing the finer details of the matter while you rage on about obvious stuff thats not in line with the level of the discussion at all. Did you read the thread?

Sorry im not giving you a hard time but I get annoyed on this forum with cookie cutter responses (especially to my meth threads grr lol) that could easily have been posted, and probably where, without needing to read the thread at all and simply the general topic was enough to make the the random post of all the obvious stuff usually with some random general opinion on the overall topic in general and what i need to do and think to resolve my issue in my post that wasnt even read. You know who you are, dont do that shit on a forum where people need help and are already nervous about posting intimate shit.

It doesnt add any value and its insulting to the contributing posters or OP who took the time to ask a specific question.

Anyways, im ranting on and im high so ignore everything i said cause generally meth users talk crap and rant on about things so considering the mentioned black and white method of valuation, everything i say must be useless and should be disregarded since generally thats the case with us tweakers.

But what if one day some tweaker accidentally says something useful like mentioning a website you might enjoy visiting, maybe something that promotes and teaches simplified judgements or valuations on things in life as an excellent way to save time and effort by reducing the need to think and therefore be as lazy as possible.

You might miss that little gem since you have optimized your limited time in an efficient way and cut out likely time wasters. Sounds clever, but trust me as a business efficiency expert, its unfortunately not a good idea, even though it sounds like one, since it results in tons of missed opportunities for gaining knowledge and for making life conform to your will through increased understanding of situations and not accepting the general consensus and hitting a wall or missing an opportunity to move forward.

Anyways, im done. A good example for those of what im saying few bored souls who read this and care to hear one (since my point may be a bit unclear) is the opinion and ideas about alcohol. Many people see it as a bad thing, an addiction or crutch or heath issue or a good time, basically its position as a recreational and legal drug and judge it as that. Most people would frown at its use medicinally even knowing that obviously as a strong drug, it must have uses besides a good buzz.

More info on the topic might reveal that its one of the most powerful anti anxiety drugs like with benzos and it can be used to treat this in specific circumstances, like rare or occasional anxiety or panic attack could be treated successfully once off or in the very short term or occasional episodes.

While this seems obvious, people would never consider this as a legit treatment (though they may just get drunk since this concept is familiar in a lesser degree of understanding to most) if it was needed and nothing else was available to help.

Silly example but all things are like this. Everything is a tool with many uses and many ways to make it work for you should the need arise or simply just for the point of always trying to learn something and improve your life. More info means options maybe more power and definitely more wierd facts to tell people at parties to make yourself look smart. Whatever your needs.

Just a thought for the point of writing something since i dont have any more urine info to contribute (i did trick my cousin to drink his once though), not taking "the piss" at you lol, just taking an opportunity to spam something random here and feel like im contributing in some way by sharing my infinite wisdom and making the world a better place etc.

 

[What 23]

I was/ am desperate. I drank it for around a month. I think I felt better in that time. Urine unless you have issues is sterile.
I may try again. I did it according to the Yoga practice of mid stream morning urine to try to treat allergies. It did seem yo make me more tolerant. The idea is that somehow what is needed to combat them is excreted. Like vitamin B12 is made in our gut but in a place we can't absorb it... Unless we ate out poo. Which is not safe.

 

[blight12]

Hmm, dealing these deficiencies orally with supplements seems like a more pleasant effective way to deal with this issue instead perhaps? Or is there another issue with this option maybe? I dont judge alternative ideas on treating issues but are you certain your source for this info is trustworthy. Im open to reasons why this might work best however

 

[aussie101]

Come now, you allude to the fact that drinking a specific or small amount will be dangerous and carry the risks you mention in entirety. Obviously you know this is not the case and there are moderating factors and scenarios where you statement is false no matter it being true for a specific one. Why would you post something you must know is not correct in many but one certain scenario. I admit i cant guess as to your motivation to do.

So there are no complaints I will approach this from a harm reduction viewpoint.

I have cited the following books to form my opinion: The Neurobiology of Behaviour, The Peripheral Nervous System, Drinking Behaviour, The Digestive System In Mammals, Cytopharmacology of Secretion, The Science of Nutrition, Molecular Endocrinology, Biology of Mammals (let me know if you want the authors and publisher names; this response is not a publishable science paper). I have also cited several peer reviewed papers including a NASA study, wastewater engineering practices, human behaviour and read some philosophy before answering.

I have read the OP and I note it is related to somehow getting an effect from metabolized/un-metabolized drugs in your body through “drinking your own Urine”. The discussion went on to discuss the possibility of getting intoxicated from metabolites and un-metabolized drugs. Urophagia was also mentioned. This is an “alternative medicine” that is far from proven to be healthy in any way, shape or form.

Unless you use a fractional distillation process or/along with Nano-filtration or some other highly effective membrane filtration (if you would like to get fresh water from Urine), perhaps ultrafiltration, your Urine is not a viable method for obtaining drugs (metabolized or un-metabolized).

I “allude” to the fact that drinking Urine at all is not healthy both physically and mentally. I also mock the view that drinking your urine is in any way beneficial to you. I had hoped my irony/sarcasm would steer people clear of this unhealthy practice. I will explain why.

First I will ask a few simple questions:

Do you know what is in the liquids you are drinking?
Do you know what is in the food you are eating; what it is composed of, how it was grown, what water was used, what was in the soil, how it was produced, what chemicals were used in the process of production, what meat you are eating, what the animals you eat had been eating/drinking?
What pesticides were used on the vegetables you eat?
Do you know what additives/chemicals were given to the livestock you are eating?
Do you know where the water comes from you are drinking; does it come from aquifers? Does it come from dams, desalination, rain water, recycled water?

Fact: Urine is the fluid waste excreted by the kidneys.

My views come from my scientific background. Philosophically, there may be a point that drinking your own Urine is some how good for you, only if you perceive the metabolites from your body/drugs excreted by your kidneys as beneficial in some way. However this would require putting your body's waste back into your digestive system.

The body's urine system plays a crucial role in our sustenance. It is also referred to as genitourinary or excretory system of the body, the system of which is responsible for the elimination of various metabolic waste materials from the body. Essential nutrients from food and liquids ingested are absorbed and used for their respective uses in the body. After this, remaining waste in the bowel and blood needs to be thrown out, thus, the kidney in coordination with the lungs, intestines and skin evacuates all wastes in the body. If the wastes from the body are not expelled, accumulation of the same can conduce to poisoning. Your body's urinary system gets rid of urea and other waste materials from the blood and produces urine to throw them out. Additionally, this system also controls the amount of water and mineral salts to be absorbed back into the bloodstream.

The urine expelled by your body contains any of the following in concentrations of over 10mg/L (on average):

Insitol
Formic Acid
Urobilin
Tyrosine
Pyruvic Acid
Albumin
Asparagate
Tryptophan
Ketones (as acetone)
Serine
Alanine
Purine Bases
Glycocyamine
proline
Arginine
Ascrorbic Acid
Oxalic Acid
Bilrubin
Valine
Phenylalanine
Allantoin
Oxoglutaric Acid
Leucine
Guanidinoacetic Acid
Isoleucine
Urobilinogen
Ethanolamine
Guanidine
Methionine Sulfoxide
Dehydroascorbic Acid
Sodium Chloride
Potassium Chloride
Potassium Sulfate
Magnesium Carbonate
Potassium Bicarbonate
Potassium Phosphate
Calcium Phosphate
Creatinine
Creatine
Glycine
Phenol
Histidine
Androsterone
1-Methylhistidine
Imidazole
Glucose
Taurine
Cystine
Citrulline
Aminoiobutyric acid
Threonine
Lysine
Incloxysulfuric acid
m-Hydroxyhippuric acid
p-Hydroxyphenyl – Hydrocrylic acid

AMMONIUM SALTS (this is important because ammonium salts in solution are generally formed through an acid base reaction – this reaction is not complete, there are reversible arrows and the ammonium from solution can form ammonia, depending on the stability of the salt). Note that I have mentioned this in my previous post, which you obviously ignored.
Hippurate
Citrate
Glucuronate
Urate
Lactate
L-Glutamate
Asparate
Formate
Pyruvate
Oxalate

I will repeat myself in case you did not understand; NH3 can react with water to form NH4OH, ammonium hydroxide. This chemical will destroy cells on contact. Any free NH3 will cause cell damage in your digestive track and other areas of your body.

Sure some of the chemicals in your urine may not harm your body. But you would have to assess this before making a decision to drink your urine.

Additionally, the following metals are often found in human Urine: mercury, chlorine, iron, aluminium, arsenic, copper, lead, cadmium and nickel. Putting these metals, some of which are heavy metals and toxic, back into your body is highly unhealthy.

In ancient times urine was sometimes used for washing, mouthwash, or drinking. However there was no scientific evidence of what was in Urine back then. Some philosophies still see drinking Urine as some way beneficial or OK. This is incorrect, unless you are trying to survive in the desert or somewhere similar with no water like Bear Gryllis has demostrated.

I feel a preaching session is necessary! I apologise in advance.

I read this “preaching”. Your view is flawed philosophically in logic and reasoning, given you have provided no scientific proof that drinking your Urine, for any reason other than trying to ingest un-metabolized/metabolized drugs, is beneficial.

I was/ am desperate. I drank it for around a month. I think I felt better in that time. Urine unless you have issues is sterile.
I may try again. I did it according to the Yoga practice of mid stream morning urine to try to treat allergies..

At first I thought, “wow, how obvious, this person must have been desperate to drink his or her own urine”. If you thought you felt better, it could have been for any one of a large number of reasons other than drinking your own human waste.

The Yoga practice you refer to is called Amaroli or shivambu. These are ancient Hindu ideas; practiced when science was not as advanced as in the modern day, and obviously still practiced by some idiotic people. These people do not know any better. It also sounds like you do not know any better. Have you studied any science?

I practice yoga regularly, yet I have never been instructed to drink my own Urine. Yoga itself is beneficial for mental and physical health; perhaps this is why you think you felt better.

Hmm, dealing these deficiencies orally with supplements seems like a more pleasant effective way to deal with this issue instead perhaps?

Although what you have written does not make sense I agree with the philosophy you put forward, being, supplements are a more effective way of dealing with "this issue". Also much more healthy.

This is all my opinion.

 

[sekio]

Aussie101, how do you explain ammonium carbonate's use as a leavining agent in breads, cookies etc?

 

[aussie101]

I don't need to. Ammonium carbonate is not the only ammonium salt in your urine, although i note that in the form of Urea it is volatile enough to form ammonia.

 

[blight12]

So there are no complaints I will approach this from a harm reduction viewpoint.

I have cited the following books to form my opinion: The Neurobiology of Behaviour, The Peripheral Nervous System, Drinking Behaviour, The Digestive System In Mammals, Cytopharmacology of Secretion, The Science of Nutrition, Molecular Endocrinology, Biology of Mammals (let me know if you want the authors and publisher names; this response is not a publishable science paper). I have also cited several peer reviewed papers including a NASA study, wastewater engineering practices, human behaviour and read some philosophy before answering.

I have read the OP and I note it is related to somehow getting an effect from metabolized/un-metabolized drugs in your body through “drinking your own Urine”. The discussion went on to discuss the possibility of getting intoxicated from metabolites and un-metabolized drugs. Urophagia was also mentioned. This is an “alternative medicine” that is far from proven to be healthy in any way, shape or form.

Unless you use a fractional distillation process or/along with Nano-filtration or some other highly effective membrane filtration (if you would like to get fresh water from Urine), perhaps ultrafiltration, your Urine is not a viable method for obtaining drugs (metabolized or un-metabolized).

I “allude” to the fact that drinking Urine at all is not healthy both physically and mentally. I also mock the view that drinking your urine is in any way beneficial to you. I had hoped my irony/sarcasm would steer people clear of this unhealthy practice. I will explain why.

First I will ask a few simple questions:

Do you know what is in the liquids you are drinking?
Do you know what is in the food you are eating; what it is composed of, how it was grown, what water was used, what was in the soil, how it was produced, what chemicals were used in the process of production, what meat you are eating, what the animals you eat had been eating/drinking?
What pesticides were used on the vegetables you eat?
Do you know what additives/chemicals were given to the livestock you are eating?
Do you know where the water comes from you are drinking; does it come from aquifers? Does it come from dams, desalination, rain water, recycled water?

Fact: Urine is the fluid waste excreted by the kidneys.

My views come from my scientific background. Philosophically, there may be a point that drinking your own Urine is some how good for you, only if you perceive the metabolites from your body/drugs excreted by your kidneys as beneficial in some way. However this would require putting your body's waste back into your digestive system.

The body's urine system plays a crucial role in our sustenance. It is also referred to as genitourinary or excretory system of the body, the system of which is responsible for the elimination of various metabolic waste materials from the body. Essential nutrients from food and liquids ingested are absorbed and used for their respective uses in the body. After this, remaining waste in the bowel and blood needs to be thrown out, thus, the kidney in coordination with the lungs, intestines and skin evacuates all wastes in the body. If the wastes from the body are not expelled, accumulation of the same can conduce to poisoning. Your body's urinary system gets rid of urea and other waste materials from the blood and produces urine to throw them out. Additionally, this system also controls the amount of water and mineral salts to be absorbed back into the bloodstream.

The urine expelled by your body contains any of the following in concentrations of over 10mg/L (on average):

Insitol
Formic Acid
Urobilin
Tyrosine
Pyruvic Acid
Albumin
Asparagate
Tryptophan
Ketones (as acetone)
Serine
Alanine
Purine Bases
Glycocyamine
proline
Arginine
Ascrorbic Acid
Oxalic Acid
Bilrubin
Valine
Phenylalanine
Allantoin
Oxoglutaric Acid
Leucine
Guanidinoacetic Acid
Isoleucine
Urobilinogen
Ethanolamine
Guanidine
Methionine Sulfoxide
Dehydroascorbic Acid
Sodium Chloride
Potassium Chloride
Potassium Sulfate
Magnesium Carbonate
Potassium Bicarbonate
Potassium Phosphate
Calcium Phosphate
Creatinine
Creatine
Glycine
Phenol
Histidine
Androsterone
1-Methylhistidine
Imidazole
Glucose
Taurine
Cystine
Citrulline
Aminoiobutyric acid
Threonine
Lysine
Incloxysulfuric acid
m-Hydroxyhippuric acid
p-Hydroxyphenyl – Hydrocrylic acid

AMMONIUM SALTS (this is important because ammonium salts in solution are generally formed through an acid base reaction – this reaction is not complete, there are reversible arrows and the ammonium from solution can form ammonia, depending on the stability of the salt). Note that I have mentioned this in my previous post, which you obviously ignored.
Hippurate
Citrate
Glucuronate
Urate
Lactate
L-Glutamate
Asparate
Formate
Pyruvate
Oxalate

I will repeat myself in case you did not understand; NH3 can react with water to form NH4OH, ammonium hydroxide. This chemical will destroy cells on contact. Any free NH3 will cause cell damage in your digestive track and other areas of your body.

Sure some of the chemicals in your urine may not harm your body. But you would have to assess this before making a decision to drink your urine.

Additionally, the following metals are often found in human Urine: mercury, chlorine, iron, aluminium, arsenic, copper, lead, cadmium and nickel. Putting these metals, some of which are heavy metals and toxic, back into your body is highly unhealthy.

In ancient times urine was sometimes used for washing, mouthwash, or drinking. However there was no scientific evidence of what was in Urine back then. Some philosophies still see drinking Urine as some way beneficial or OK. This is incorrect, unless you are trying to survive in the desert or somewhere similar with no water like Bear Gryllis has demostrated.


I read this “preaching”. Your view is flawed philosophically in logic and reasoning, given you have provided no scientific proof that drinking your Urine, for any reason other than trying to ingest un-metabolized/metabolized drugs, is beneficial.


At first I thought, “wow, how obvious, this person must have been desperate to drink his or her own urine”. If you thought you felt better, it could have been for any one of a large number of reasons other than drinking your own human waste.

The Yoga practice you refer to is called Amaroli or shivambu. These are ancient Hindu ideas; practiced when science was not as advanced as in the modern day, and obviously still practiced by some idiotic people. These people do not know any better. It also sounds like you do not know any better. Have you studied any science?

I practice yoga regularly, yet I have never been instructed to drink my own Urine. Yoga itself is beneficial for mental and physical health; perhaps this is why you think you felt better.


Although what you have written does not make sense I agree with the philosophy you put forward, being, supplements are a more effective way of dealing with "this issue". Also much more healthy.

This is all my opinion.

Awesome, \good info. I was mostly just ranting on my ideas on the issue in general. Also i have found that strongly expressed opinions or those that are more simplified in overall conclusion or ideas on a topic are often a format or method favored by those who hold strong opinions on a topic they are ignorant off but feel justified in judging due to some silly flawed or perceived preconception of the topic usually picked up from some assumed trusted source or limited experience which is all often ignorance based info of the topic as well.

I guess strongly worded simple opinions and the aggressive defensive of them is an acceptable replacement for any real info on the topic and blind faith and acceptance works well in defending against any risk of informed or alternative viewpoints, false or true no matter.

You are obviously informed on the topic and i value the idea of questioning everything and informed educated ideas or opinions based off real thought above all else or the result itself. You cant argue with somebody who has studied the facts or make comments on a topic you dont understand yourself, logically, however this is the common response and somehow its perfectly acceptable and makes sense to the general masses. Explaining this has proved futile and scary in what this might imply.

Anyways i am happily corrected in this case and perhaps there is hope for the rest of us after all.

 

[sekio]

in the form of Urea it is volatile enough to form ammonia.

Urea is non volatile. I'm sorry. I have worked with the stuff, pure. I would know. It's not volatile and does not degrade to ammonia until you apply direct flame to it!

Almost all of those compounds in urine are nontoxic anyway (amino acids, salts, metabolic products of sugars/fats) because they are already present in your diet. Your body can effectively detoxify, or does not absorb many of those that are harmful regardless.

(I still don't endorse the regular consumption of urine.)

 

[aussie101]

Now this is getting interesting. Talking about Urine again. LOL. I may have to be a little bit of a smart ass here I know as a chemist this is going to annoy you...

Aussie101, how do you explain ammonium carbonate's use as a leavining agent in breads, cookies etc?

Was your question. YOU asked ME a question about AMMONIUM CARBONATE. I responded:

I don't need to. Ammonium carbonate is not the only ammonium salt in your urine, although i note that in the form of Urea it is volatile enough to form ammonia.

In the human body Urea is hydrolysed to ammonia and carbon dioxide (with urease as a catalysing agent)
(NH2)2CO(aq) + 3H2O(l) <----> CO2(g) + 2NH3(g)

The acidic ammonium carbonate is formed because the carbon dioxide dissolves in water to produce carbonic acid (H2CO3), which immediately reacts with ammonia to form the ammonium carbonate. This is shown by the following equation:

2NH3(g) + H2CO3(aq) <-----> (NH4+)2CO3(aq)

Perhaps my language was a little off as I am getting sick talking about PISS!!!

I didn't address your question on using ammonium carbonate as a leaving agent in breads. However, i will state it is due to Ammonium carbonate decomposing at standard temperature and pressure.
Ammonium carbonate can spontaneously decompose into ammonium bicarbonate and ammonia:
(NH4)2CO3(aq) <----> NH4HCO3(aq) + NH3(g)

Now what is the safety profile of ammonia? I know that ammonium carbonate is used for some purposes such as smelling salts, this is due to the property of the ammonia in small quantities. However, there is a possibility of direct burning of the nasal or oral mucosa from high concentration of inhaled ammonia. Not to mention cell damage and formation of ammonium hydroxide in water. Harm reduction.

Urea is non volatile. I'm sorry. I have worked with the stuff, pure. I would know. It's not volatile and does not degrade to ammonia until you apply direct flame to it!

You have taken a small part of what I wrote in an attempt to prove it wrong. Urea may not be ammonium carbonate but is converted rapidly through different forms. I am discussing the potential health effects of AMMONIA from AMMONIUM SALTS.

From the MSDS of UREA, which you have worked with and know about.

Section 3: Hazards Identification
Potential Acute Health Effects: Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation.
Precautions:
Keep locked up.. Keep away from heat. Keep away from sources of ignition. Empty containers pose a fire risk, evaporate the residue under a fume hood. Ground all equipment containing material. Do not ingest. Do not breathe dust. Wear suitable protective clothing. In case of insufficient ventilation, wear suitable respiratory equipment. If ingested, seek medical advice immediately and show the container or the label. Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Keep away from incompatibles such as oxidizing agents.
Storage: Keep container tightly closed. Keep container in a cool, well-ventilated area. Do not store above 23°C (73.4°F).

TELL ME WHY IT MUST NOT BE STORED ABOVE 23°C (73.4°F)???

Section 8: Exposure Controls/Personal Protection
Engineering Controls:
Use process enclosures, local exhaust ventilation, or other engineering controls to keep airborne levels below recommended exposure limits. If user operations generate dust, fume or mist, use ventilation to keep exposure to airborne contaminants below the exposure limit.
Personal Protection:
Splash goggles. Lab coat. Dust respirator. Be sure to use an approved/certified respirator or equivalent. Gloves.
Personal Protection in Case of a Large Spill:
Splash goggles. Full suit. Dust respirator. Boots. Gloves. A self contained breathing apparatus should be used to avoid inhalation of the product. Suggested protective clothing might not be sufficient; consult a specialist BEFORE handling this product.

Physical state and appearance: Solid. (Crystals solid.) Odor:
Almost odorless; May gradually develop slight odor of ammonia, especially in presence of moisture. Why is that???

Section 11: Toxicological Information
Routes of Entry: Inhalation. Ingestion.
Toxicity to Animals: Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 8471 mg/kg [Rat].
Chronic Effects on Humans:
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. May cause damage to the following organs: blood, cardiovascular system.
Other Toxic Effects on Humans: Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals: Not available.
Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans:
May cause adverse reproductive effects (fetotoxicity) and genetic material (mutagenicity) based on animal studies. Passes through the placental barrier in human and is present in breast milk.
Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans:
Acute Potential Health Effects: Skin: Causes skin irritation. Eyes: Causes eye irritation. Inhalation: Causes irritation of the respiratory tract, nose, and throat, coughing and sneezing. May also affect blood, metabolsim and urinary system. Ingestion: Causes digestive (gastrointestinal) tract irritation with nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. May affect behavior (altered sleep
time, change in motor activity), cardiovascular system (heart rate), and the brain. May also affect the blood and may cause tumorigenic effects. Chronic Potential Health Effects: Prolonged exposure may cause adverse reproductive effects. Laboratory experiments on animals have resulted in mutagenic effects. Prolonged exposure or exposure at high concentrations may cause eye damage.

(Sounds both DANGEROUS and VOLATILE IMO)

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HARM REDUCTION HERE OR BEING CARELESS IN THE LAB DUE TO BEING A CHEMISTRY "HOT SHOT" WITH "KNOWLEDGE"???

Almost all of those compounds in urine are nontoxic anyway

Almost all? You are still missing the point. Some of them ARE toxic you goose!!!

(I still don't endorse the regular consumption of urine.)

That's good Sekio, you are a moderator on a harm reduction site after all.

 

[sekio]

Toxicity to Animals: Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 8471 mg/kg [Rat].

Table salt is lesss toxic.

Also, MSDS forms are written to cover every possible risk, no matter how slight. Read the MSDS for water or compressed air one time. (You are supposed to use SCBA when working with compressed breathable air.)

May gradually develop slight odor of ammonia, especially in presence of moisture. Why is that???

Ammonia has a very very low detection limit.

 

[aussie101]

I am trying to warn people away from drinking urine because imo it is unsafe.

Table salt is lesss toxic.

Once again you have missed the point. I did not refer to the toxicity of Urea. I have mentioned many others previously, including heavy metals.

Also, MSDS forms are written to cover every possible risk, no matter how slight. Read the MSDS for water or compressed air one time. (You are supposed to use SCBA when working with compressed breathable air.)

I have. I am a SCUBA diver, I work with compressed air all the time. Compressed air can cause health issues due to pressure. Air under pressure can be just as dangerous as high pressure steam, and when released suddenly can cause serious injury. It can maim, tear, or embed matter into the skin and bones of the human body.

Air played around the face can blow out an eye, or if directed at the ear, it may puncture an ear drum and cause deafness. A person who has been painting or covered with dirt or soot can have poisonous particles blasted into the body where they immediately combine with the blood. Even air without impurities is dangerous when forced into the bloodstream through a cut or pores of the skin.

Read the MSDS for water

Water MSDS
MSDS Water
Are you trying to prove something?

Ammonia has a very very low detection limit.

We both know why.

 

[i are spectre]

heh.