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How bad is Ecstasy actually for you?

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Say you're not doing it every weekend, more like every other weekend and then fairly often there's even a month or two break in between.... Does it really cause bad damage to the brain? I don't know if I'm bias but to me it just seems that it isn't THAT harmful of a drug.... (taking out the fact that you don't know what's in it etc etc) compared to say heroin or ice etc.

What are your thoughts on the long term damage of Ecstasy?
 
I'd argue that it's relatively safe as long as you know what you're doing. Less dangerous than alcohol, certainly less dangerous than anything IV or the traditional 'hard' drugs like meth, crack, heroin etc. Overall it's a fairly easy drug to use responsibly since constant use has enormous diminishing returns and isn't really sustainable after a certain point. Still, be careful. Like any drug, it can be abused with horrible consequences and cause permanent damage.

I try to give it around a month between rolling, but even when I bend the rules sometimes I've been fine.
 
if you use it reasonably ( once a month really, longer you wait the better)
Then i wouldnt have thought you'd suffer too many side effects,

However if you start to do it too often or just take too much mdma, possibly due to serotonin depletion you will suffer most likely from: depression, anxiety, insomnia, lack of energy perhaps, mood swings, short term memory problems/difficulty remembering stuff.
 
Ideally, you would want 1-3 months in between uses. But, if you did heroin once every 3 months or even ice... I'm not so sure it would be that different. The problem with heroin and meth is how addictive it is.
 
^ You could use any drug once every 3 months with almost no problems at all, as long as it's not some poison that is.

The key is moderation. MDMA can be relatively benign if used safely, or can be an extremely damaging and neurotoxic drug if abused. The choice on how to use it, and consequently how much damage it will do, is up to you. Instead of finding out how much damage it CAN do though, why not find out about ways to limit this damage?
 
This is my favorite study on the effects of MDMA. The researchers actually performed brain scans on a bunch of 18-35 year olds who had used MDMA at least 12 times in their lives. They even measured their brains' serotonin binding abilities and compared them to controls!

The researchers concluded that MDMA reduces the brain's ability to bind serotonin, but that the damage can be repaired with abstinence. They estimated the amount of time required for the study participants to recover, and decided it was AT LEAST 91 days for the light users, ABOUT 212 days on average, and AT MOST never, for the heavy users.

Now, even from a study like this it's difficult to draw out hard and fast rules for MDMA use. However, I personally see it as good support for the 1-3 month rule, especially the 3 month part. It also gives us some evidence that if you're taking MDMA more often than once a month, or even once every two months, you may be damaging your serotonin system faster than it can recover.

EDIT: Just for clarity, in this study the (reported) frequency of MDMA use among "MDMA preferring participants" was a MINIMUM of 0.4 times per month, on AVERAGE 3.3 times per month, and at MAXIMUM 9.6 times per month. Doses (apparently) ranged from 100-600 mg per night and averaged 268 mg.
 
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MDMA on its own is relatively safe and will not cause lasting damage if you use it responsibly. The deaths you hear about are usually from ecstasy tablets that contain things like AMT, Meth, BZP, or other cuts, and when people mix ecstasy with other drugs.
 
cyberius said:
MDMA on its own is relatively safe and will not cause lasting damage if you use it responsibly. The deaths you hear about are usually from ecstasy tablets that contain things like AMT, Meth, BZP, or other cuts, and when people mix ecstasy with other drugs.
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If used responsibly, is the key point. There are many deaths that have been attributed to MDMA alone, as well as severe and long term serotonin downregulation
 
I think better than cyanide, less better than carrot cake..

Don't drink coca cola everyday cause it rots your teeth
Don't eat Micky dees everyday cause you get fat
Don't not find a balance that works for you on an individual level

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Clocktower said:
This is my favorite study on the effects of MDMA. The researchers actually performed brain scans on a bunch of 18-35 year olds who had used MDMA at least 12 times in their lives. They even measured their brains' serotonin binding abilities and compared them to controls!

The researchers concluded that MDMA reduces the brain's ability to bind serotonin, but that the damage can be repaired with abstinence. They estimated the amount of time required for the study participants to recover, and decided it was AT LEAST 91 days for the light users, ABOUT 212 days on average, and AT MOST never, for the heavy users.

Now, even from a study like this it's difficult to draw out hard and fast rules for MDMA use. However, I personally see it as good support for the 1-3 month rule, especially the 3 month part. It also gives us some evidence that if you're taking MDMA more often than once a month, or even once every two months, you may be damaging your serotonin system faster than it can recover.
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I like that, and it seems pretty valid. As usually after light usage i don't feel 100% after 30 days but after 3 months i feel pretty good.

To the OP, Ignore the fuck heads that bring that god awful argument of how MDMA is safer than alcohol when speaking of brain damage. They don't have a brain in their head to actually analyze what they are saying. Obviously there are WAY more deaths from alcohol because it is legal, and WAY more people drink alcohol. When speaking Strictly of damage to the brain, not danger to the body / addiction etc. Just Harmful effects to the brain, MDMA is quite bad. After conclusive research, reading , analyzing ,and self experience. MDMA along with some research chemicals are at the top of the list for how quickly it can potentially hurt your brain. Yes ,even more so than methamphetamine (how ever meth is real addictive where as MDMA is not)

Now If you space out 3 months in between your rolls, and take no more than 2 doses each time you can really cut down the damage or how much you notice it . Because no matter what ,every dose you take will cause some form of serotonin degeneration, you cannot escape that part. The difference is when you wait a long time before rolling again, you give your brain a chance to repair a lot of the damage and upregulate receptors. If you are thinking of taking a short cut and waiting 1 month between rolls, i highly advise that you don't. Some where down the line , it will catch up with you and you'll be making a thread about why you feel fucked.
 
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I like that, and it seems pretty valid. As usually after light usage i don't feel 100% after 30 days but after 3 months i feel pretty good.

To the OP, Ignore the fuck heads that bring that god awful argument of how MDMA is safer than alcohol when speaking of brain damage. They don't have a brain in their head to actually analyze what they are saying. Obviously there are WAY more deaths from alcohol because it is legal, and WAY more people drink alcohol. When speaking Strictly of damage to the brain, not danger to the body / addiction etc. Just Harmful effects to the brain, MDMA is quite bad. After conclusive research, reading , analyzing ,and self experience. MDMA along with some research chemicals are at the top of the list for how quickly it can potentially hurt your brain. Yes ,even more so than methamphetamine (how ever meth is real addictive where as MDMA is not)

Now If you space out 3 months in between your rolls, and take no more than 2 doses each time you can really cut down the damage or how much you notice it . Because no matter what ,every dose you take will cause some form of serotonin degeneration, you cannot escape that part. The difference is when you wait a long time before rolling again, you give your brain a chance to repair a lot of the damage and upregulate receptors. If you are thinking of taking a short cut and waiting 1 month between rolls, i highly advise that you don't. Some where down the line , it will catch up with you and you'll be making a thread about why you feel fucked.
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WORD. I agree with all of this. I will add that I have heard from others and from my own experience that long term MDMA use has hurt the digestive system, too.
 
I like that, and it seems pretty valid. As usually after light usage i don't feel 100% after 30 days but after 3 months i feel pretty good.
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sounds like massive over kill to me.

after light usage i felt better the following 30 days. ever heard of an after-glow?

the fear is rife and is catching on to these young and innocent minds.. :|

be afraid of mdma be very very afraid..
 
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laugh said:
sounds like massive over kill to me.

after light usage i felt better the following 30 days. ever heard of an after-glow?

the fear is rife and is catching on to these young and innocent minds.. :|

be afraid of mdma be very very afraid..
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I've got maybe one or two after glows in my career of rolling . And honestly it isn't that great, it's kind of a serene mystical feeling but a depressive feeling in the background.
Most all of the other times i wake up feeling like there was a barbecue going on in my brain the night before. I Probably have to factor in that 90% of my rolls have been in crowded raves, where temps are hot and the whole experience is more hectic on the brain than relaxing at home . So that probably has to do with the more intense come downs. Anyway I honestly wish i never did research on the subject back when i was rolling , so i could be a classic e tard who thinks rolling is doing good things for them. As they say ignorance is bliss, and it really is for certain things.

BTW i read through this article earlier http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=211305#qundefined originally posted by clocktower. It seems like all my 'hatred' for MDMA is backed by stuff now as i always knew it was. So people can know i am not blindly hating, i am saving brains on bluelight : p.When they tested SERT levels in different parts of the users brain they noted that the levels were significantly lower ,even when some of the people being tested abstained for 3 months before the MRI tests / research being done.

'In comparison with controls, the regional SERT binding in MPUs was lower by 19% in the pallidostriatum, 32% in the amygdala, and 56% in the neocortex (40% in the orbitofrontal cortex, 53% in the medial inferior frontal cortex, 61% in the superior frontal cortex, 48% in the superior temporal cortex, 51% in the medial inferior temporal cortex, 66% in the sensory motor cortex, 47% in the parietal cortex, and 73% in the occipital cortex).'

If these low percentage numbers don't scare you, nothing will.

In conclusion, if you want to be living life on a lower level of happiness for the long term keep rolling. Or be a pro, and get high but on non neurotoxic drugs like opiates / weed.
 
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I've got maybe one or two after glows in my career of rolling . And honestly it isn't that great, it's kind of a serene mystical feeling but a depressive feeling in the background.
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sounds like a different chemical. tbph it sound like your stuff has been shit house.

Anyway I honestly wish i never did research on the subject back when i was rolling , so i could be a classic e tard who thinks rolling is doing good things for them. As they say ignorance is bliss, and it really is for certain things.
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yeh ignorance is bliss but i think the pendulum of your conscience has swung too far the other way. i think you are confusing the theory and the prac. you are overhyping the danger imo and you are not saving brains on bluelight. do you wear a mask & cape like zoro? :)
i doubt you would be saying the same thing if you were ingesting pure pharm grade gear.

if dosed in moderation and shown respect it is simply not that bad! ask any old raver. abuse anything and it will fuck you up.

all the tech theory bs is exactly that tech theory bs. practical or first hand knowledge cannot and should not be over ridden by crap read on the net doesnt matter how tech it sounds.
 
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I think cocaine is up there with them. I consider them more addictive than ecstasy due to the redosing capabilities.
 
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