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Who is your "god"?

^Indeed... "Cause and effect: such a duality probably never exists; in truth we are confronted by a continuum out of which we isolate a couple of pieces, just as we perceive motion only as isolated points and then infer it without ever actually seeing it. The suddenness with which many effects stand out misleads us; actually, it is sudden only for us. In this moment of suddenness there are an infinite number of processes which elude us. An intellect that could see cause and effect as a continuum and a flux and not, as we do, in terms of an arbitrary division and dismemberment, would repudiate the concept of cause and effect and deny all conditionality."

from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.112
 
I've long ago stopped looking for some self existent and self conscious external deity (usually with anthropomorphic qualities) who originates and dictates all being. For the most part I believe that deity worship and veneration is a means to an end. A type of psychological magic and aphrodisiac that I don't necessarily think is negative but which certainly does not prove actual existence. I am an atheist in a certain sense because I believe that we are the only beings in the created universe who think the way we think of thinking as being. What I mean by this is that most humans wish to see god as something like them yet somehow greater than them. And this idea is reflected in my personal idea of god as MY perfected SELF. My higher self as it has been called, or guardian angel. It doesn't really matter how or in what form this idea manifests itself in the physical universe so much as the way in which my pursuit of this idea affects my life and those around me.
 
It isn't something I'm concerned about anymore. But, I'd prefer if there were none, since the very idea of life everlasting being surrounded by loved ones is a nauseating one. Ditto with some sentient, omniscient, omnipotent force overseeing my every action.
 
Krishna...he's blue, he plays the flute, he gets all the women, he's the supreme personality of the Universe....what else is there?
 
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I think that embodying "God" with a personality and image really "sells-short" the great creative power we have as humans to re-imagine the world. All personalities are fallible and eventually decaying insofar as they are personified. I believe our god should be whatever it is we need most in the world right now, as individuals and as a species.
 
What a wonderful blessing it is to be in awe pondering the mysteries of our creator. My God offers me an infinite unlimited source of love, bliss, euphoria, grace, peace, mercy, and enlightenment to draw off from.

Nothing in this world has given me the fulfillment, comfort or satisfaction as being in the presence of our higher spirit - the sheer feeling of the weight of God's power upon me is overwhelming in that it cannot be ignored - similar to a powerful drug that once the effects take a strong hold of you they cannot be ignored. Except the drugs were only temporary, they were a lie and an illusion, tricks on my mind. This new hold on me feels more real and clear then anything else - the hope I look forward to instead of the next fix, is the hope of reconcile and reuniting with our beloved - to see redemption win and the struggle end - to see our Lord in all of his light - and fall into his love for eternity - it'll be in a moment that we'll be like him. God is constant, God is now, and Forever will be.

It took going through many unknown and dark valleys - to finally find the one light that brings me happiness and joy in life - the one place I may call home, in the center of our Lord's heart. My heart is restless until it rests with God . The 'blemishes' on mankind's existence as one poster pointed out - are nothing in the shadow of the Cross - it's not about what we've done, but what's been done for us. All we have are empty hands to lift and praise for what's been accomplished - there is one person in history whom God has looked upon seeing perfection and proclaimed "I Want That Man" - Jesus of Nazareth - is my God.

What if God was an idea?

Even if God is an idea - I owe my life and my coming into existence to the idea of God - and I plan someday meeting someone who shares my ideas - and passing those ideas onto my offspring. My parents met at a Christian college, both married because they believed in the bond, commitment, and love through God. Had one of them not believed in God - or had not met in the circumstances they did because of their beliefs - I possibly would not be here in the blessed life that I have. I don't know about you or your parents, grandparents, or ancestors, but I would be willing to bet somewhere along your bloodline at least one man and women that married had in common with each other the belief and love for God, had they not, who knows how your existence would of turned out.
 
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I basically live under my own personal morals and am under the assumption that whatever greater entity that created the universe would not want to be idolized and worshipped but instead watch his creation unfold.

Thats why I never thought about things that were legal / illegal, because those are all laws created by humans in an attempt to control other humans.

The only thing that matters in life is that you are a good human being. Not who you pray to or what lands you come from or whether your great great great great great grandfather wore a different color robe than your neighbors equivalent.

Because that is all created by man, but our very ability to have conscious thought was created by the power(s) above, and that is what is really important in life.

Sit down and think about things from your enemy's standpoint, think about what religion really is, think about why there are a select percantage of people who control how our world is ran today.

It's because they sit down and think about these sorts of things, but dont want anyone else too because it might open some up to all the bullshit.

That's why weed is really illegal, it makes you over-analyze everything, and the collective govts of the world would rather just keep the status quo going and have nobody really examine how the world is ran.

But I hope the generation coming up today has the same ideals as me because I feel like there is a silent majority that knows exactly what I am saying but dont know how to do anything about it.

And I really dont know how to do anything about it either except to just type messages like this but hopefully eventually people will start to come around and we can focus on life's real problems instead of man-made problems.
 
The illuminate?

Yes well, it's good you can acknowledge and see that a higher power must have given us a conscience and awareness. All around us in science we can observe it takes something of greater force, to cause and effect, something else. Thing's don't appear out of no where, it takes 'something' to create, build, cause, or effect another 'something' . To believe that 'something' and 'everything' came from 'nothing' , contradicts the laws of science and physics. String theory suggests a vibration caused the universe to expand, looking at it from another view, a vibration is a sound, I see that sound as the 'word' of God - let there be light.

If one can prove to me and show me 'something' being created out of 'nothing' , I will re-evaluate my belief in a higher power or God, but as it stands and until then, we can observe it takes something to create another something.
 
If one can prove to me and show me 'something' being created out of 'nothing' , I will re-evaluate my belief in a higher power or God, but as it stands and until then, we can observe it takes something to create another something.

By those axioms, The question of where God comes from becomes an infinite regress of that question. If you presuppose a "God" by default, or simply give God a special exception, well that's a pretty weak sauce argument and it's fallacious logic.
 
i dont know. maybe I am God, and the world is my toy/dream/etc or maybe there is no God and the universe is some random ass science shit.

LMAO. :D

I love that post. It so concisely sums up pretty much 99.999% of all philosophy, ever.
 
By those axioms, The question of where God comes from becomes an infinite regress of that question. If you presuppose a "God" by default, or simply give God a special exception, well that's a pretty weak sauce argument and it's fallacious logic.

This post and quote should be 'stickied' at the top of every page in this thread. Great stuff.
 
I grew up a catholic. I saw families that would get all dressed up and go to church every sunday and take holy communion. The father of the family was a drunk who beat his wife and kids. But they presented as good human beings.

Well, Yes most of humans present themselves as good human beings wouldn't you say, even when we feel bad yet someones asks us how we are doing the easiest and most common response is to say that I'm good?

I don't see a plausible correlate with humans dark - evil behaviors, considering themselves worthy followers of a religion, to the actual religion itself and the core truths within. People of all families, faiths and walks of life, and different beliefs harm each other either emotionally or physically at points in their life and commit sins, whether knowingly or not. It's too bad the father of that family took holy communion, if he knew it was wrong, it's sacrilegious. I will pray for him and our one spiritual body in Christ.

Even though I know I am a sinner, it's not an excuse for not going to church and not keeping the Sabbath holy. I do my best to attend Church every Sunday - to stay loyal - it's my greatest source for spiritual enlightenment and to kneel in worship and prayer before God meditating the mysteries of faith in the presence of our creator while praying for divine mercy and giving thanks - honor - always has me leaving feeling so much happier and graceful.

As I have learned more, as of late I have freely chosen not to take holy communion because I know there are still amends I need to make, all though I still attend mass commonly and participate in the service; I am still able to go up and receive the blessing, but knowing I have done bad things I will not/cannot receive what I am not worthy to consume.

Just being there honors our Lord, though, call it harm reduction for my spiritual life. ;)
Even though I'm not perfect, I do the best I can do resist sin and temptation because it will make me a stronger person and in my case/experience gives me more peace and happiness in the fullness of life. I pray for o my eternal and spiritual soul to have mercy knowing that I have harmed my soul/spirit with my own trespasses in my humanly physical, psychological, and emotional behaviors upon not only myself but others more unfortunately. I'm a work in progress though just as you are <3

If someone believes they are a completely righteous and perfect being - you know they are wrong.
Just as they say, a truly crazy person doesn't believe they are crazy, but people who know they are sometimes a bit crazy, are sane ones.

I believe in karma to some degree so I don't know what that makes me.

Me too. Many people do. It makes you a human. ;)

I've done things I have regretted in the past and treated people badly at times and it seemed like things came back on me two fold.

:( Yep so have I, again, maybe we are more alike then we realize. We are all one. We are all a human.

I now try and treat people better than the way I would like to be treated. I've witnessed first hand so much violence, hatred and spite in my life and know enough about history to know how religion of different kinds has caused nearly every war from the dawn of time. If there is a god then why would he let the atrocities on earth happen? Is that your test to see whether you get into heaven?

When I hear people say that they work on treating people better then themselves and stay true to that it brings me great joy. Keep it up Champ :D

lol however ... I can't see how I could agree with you that religion has caused "nearly every war from the dawn of time." That's a big of an overstatement don't you think?

Iraq war... dictator with supposed WMD's.

Afghanistan war, terrorism extremism, now I bet you're going to say "yeah but they think are true Muslims" all though they weren't targeting Christianity specifically they were targeting America and democracy, Muslims, not including ones that took over the planes, died from the attacks on 9/11, they killed some of their own people.

Gulf war, again a dictator invading a nation and using chemical agents to kill people in delusions of gaining political, personal power, and oil - wealth.
Cold war, fought over against nuclear armed communism.

WW2, to stop the slaughter of millions of Jews, and protect ourselves from Imperial Japan bombing us and attempting to invade other pacific nations and continents for political power and desires.
Keep in mind, Hitler was anti-christian and many political parties in communism have persecuted and abolished religion. I don't even want to list the number of imperial monarchs that cause wars over their own thrust for power and authority, not having anything to do with religion.

Those are just some of the most recent wars, and tell me how this is religion vs religion causing wars?
Here's a list of the timeline of US military operations since the birth of our nation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

Go through it, hardly any of them are due to religions battling or trying to take over another religion. Wars are caused by mans personal, political, desires for power and authority - but I hardly see any religions causing war in attempt to eliminate another religion. Unless you are to saying Islam is responsible for causing wars and killing people when they bombed us on 9/11. That's the farthest thing from the truth, and I wouldn't say they are true Muslim's only misguided and allowed evil spirits to give into their desires.

Here's all I have to say, Just like when it comes to guns, many people will argue it's people that kill people, not the gun or the tool. I say, people kill people, not religion, it's just the tool they use to justify their actions, regardless if they had that religion to mistreat and use irresponsibly, they would of found another way to satisfy the evil inside of them and the need to feel some kind of power and justification for their desires. When evil crazies go out in atrocities with guns and kill people the blame should fall on the person not the tool, and it gives the majority of responsible gun owners a bad rep, because for responsible gun owners it provides them protection from evil. Similarly, when evil people use religion as a tool to justify their desires, the blame should fall on the person, not the tool, and again it gives the rest of the majority of the group a bad rep, because for the responsible faithful religious people, their religion and faith provides them protection from evil.

God doesn't create evil atrocities. For us to be rational, intelligent life living in true freedom, God shared his own powers with us and has given us free will, knowing some will commit evil atrocities, otherwise we wouldn't have a purpose to exist and make our own choices and decisions. Extends from that is when we use our free will for the purpose of only serving ourselves - greed - and not using our free will to serve others or treat others with respect, dignity, and love regardless of our illusions in differences, that is us who are the ones causing evil upon each other, because when it comes down to it, we all are the same - in life we all have had a heart - we all have had a mind - we all have a soul - we were all born to one father and one mother - as one species of the human race - we are all alike and what you see in other people is in a part of yourself - and what you see in yourself is in parts of other people.

=D And if I haven't yet made it obvious to my answer for the topic question. My God is the God of gods, the King of kings, Lord of lords, Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus our savior our Christ - Is God.
 
there is a thing with infinite sides, one of which appears to me from time to time as an elusive and vague spark. there is also an image of an organic gland like the uvula in the back of your mouth. it is located in a place where the vague spark is able to tickle it. the gland is capable of learning and predisposing itself to do all sorts of complex tasks, from managing daily routine, through to moral judgement. it is not genuinely cognitive, but it mimics cognition and intelligence through great effort. the interaction with other such glands in the same dance distorts and escalates a false perception of their reality, destroying it. when it lets go of the pretense, calms and becomes quiet, it begins to sense the tickling from the spark. the spark reveals truth and beauty. it creates.

this is who i am. this is what i am.

my god is that thing behind the spark.
 
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God is on the right there.

He is on the right because this is symbolic for the complex yet difficult intricacy that we all appropriate with decision making. God in this case, always knows the correct decision, as his word is divine. In this particular photograph, you can see the beautiful preponderance in his facial expression. I believe that in this particular instance, he is considering the future of the human race.

We all love Zippy our divine saviour and lord. <3

Salvation begins with a zip.
 
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