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Convert 25I NBOME HCL To Soloution HELP

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FredsGotSlacks

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Hello Everyone, I am new here. SO here is my problem
DISCLAIMER THIS IS ONLY FOR PERSONAL PURPOSE WITH NO INTENT TO SELL OR DISTRIBUTE

WE WILL BE USING 1 GRAM FOR EXAMPLE

So I am getting 10 Grams of 25i Nbome HCL and I want to convert it to a Solution. So here are my questions
1. Can I make a soloution ut of it in just distilled water ( i have read you can but thers use everclear)
2. I am wanting to get 500ug per ml/drop if you will. so is my math correct? someone please correct me

500ml per gram= 2,000 500ug tabs?
or would that be under diluting it making it more potent since its 1,000 ml to 1 gram is 1,000 ug at 1,000 dses per ml
so would the math be
2000 ml to every gram ? or 1500 ml to every gram, and would this result in 2,000 hits or would it be more

3. what do I store it in, I assume uv vial or amber but just checking

Thats it I would like this answered ina timly manor and id hope someone has experance.

I am getting 10 grams but just want to know based n 1 gram and I can scale it frm there.
 
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Update i assume if i wanted 500 ug ut of a gram since 25i is a 1:1 ratin meaning even mml to mg, so 1,000 ml to 1 gram is 1,000 hits at mg, s 500 ug would be,
1,500 ml to every garam t equal 500 ug hits or would it be 2,000 ml to 1 gram someone help thanks
 
lol :\ yeah

First of all, if you have updates, use the edit button instead of double posting.

Second: you can use water but that makes the solution of limited shelf life because water can spoil. Nutrients in the water may be limited, but it is still possible for some bacteria to get started in there and who knows... something might even nibble on your product.
You are recommended to always use an alcohol solution of at least 20% alcohol by volume.

500 ug per drop seems like too much. Drops vary in volume somewhat so some of them can be larger making it possible for a drop to have a dose not everybody may be able to handle. Maybe you can, but there are people who can have a full experience on 500 ug or less so it is not responsible or smart to do this IMO. Also taking a dose in several drops decreases the variance in dosage a little bit because multiples average out.

Depending on what you will be using to measure milliliters you could do 500 ug/ml and we can assume this as an example.

I think you are making a mistake by switching from 500 ug/ml to 500 ml/g. That is not the same.
500 ug/ml = 0.5 mg/ml --> 1000 mg / 2000 ml. So you were right the last time about 2000 ml of solvent per gram. If you use pure water, the total mass will be 2000+1=2001 grams. For alcohol it would be different. Not sure why you would need that value but you seem to be mixing up some calculations, namely the following:

What are you talking about with the 1:1 ratio? 1 mg = 1 ml that works for water, not 25I-NBOMe... you don't use volume (ml) for solids like 25I-NBOMe. Well maybe for metals or something but not solid drugs that can be fluffy one time, fine powder or huge crystals in another instance. Volumes are for liquids.

Realize that the bigger quantities you are using, the more you can mess up with it. If you are preparing 20 mg as a solution it is better to understand and see if you make a mistake. With the quantities you are talking about if you take 10 times too much (for example because your understanding of these calculations and/or physics and chemistry is limited) people could get killed.

If you proceed and finish some preparation, test it by titrating: which is first taking a very tiny dose - and then when nothing happens increase the dose another day until you are at an active dose.
 
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Dissolving a drug may also change the surface tension of the liquid which is one of the factor that determines drop size or volume.

You could dissolve a little bit of the drug in a little water to check this and weigh 100 drops on a scale to see what the average mass is for a drop of this particular solution.

In this case HPBCD is apparently not used, but if it is... HPBCD is a surfactant which may influence surface tension even more than other chemicals (just like soap can), so everyone considering making drops with HPBCD be warned.
 
A drop can be any volume. It depends on the liquid you are dropping, the ambient condition (temperature, humidity) and the construction of the dropper itself (bore, wall thickness, material).
You must calibrate a dropper first by dropping e.g. 20 drops of liquid into a container of known weight, and taking an average weight. You can calculate the volume delivered by finding the desnity of your solution (for water solutions with less than 1% dissolved solid, it will probably be 1.00 g/mL.)

Also, 10 grams ( 10,000 to 25,000 doses ) is not a "personal use" kind of supply, dude.

(Side note: Why do so many people have problems calculating dilution? This kind of basic math question gets asked over and over.)
 
This is a tough one. If people don't have the intelligence to work out this stuff out for themselves, then it's really pretty dangerous for them to be laying blotters. Our answers might be poorly understood and encourage them to do something dangerous. OTH, if we don't answer their questions they are likely to go ahead anyway. This presents something of an HR paradox.

Sorry if this is condescending but I'm getting a bit annoyed recently. PD would be better named "the never ending NBOMe vs LSD argument" and I would say there is a good chance that the OP is looking to pass off 25i as acid.
 
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