Stimulants Meth Health Scare Clarification

[blight12]

I was recently thinking about a bad health related experience with meth while on the drug. At the time i was new to the drug and did not know it would turn out to be rare and never occur again since. This tells me it was no a good situation. I would like to get opinions on what the issue might have been to avoid it in future.

On day 3 of the binge, 2-4 doses or so already, I experienced a dramatic shift i how i felt to a state that was clearly negative and health related. The effects also did not matchup to anything near what the drug should cause during normal situations.

Basically, i began to feel as if i was suddenly progressing into an opposing state to stimulation of fatigue and physical/mental relaxation (in a bad way) or inhibition of overall function. I could like it to feeling incredibly over intoxicated with alcohol or another depressant and feeling ill as you would.

Mental function was drastically reduced as it would be in those examples. It felt like a definite state of unhealth and in no way any of the usual sleep dep, psychosis, comedown, OD type stuff which i am very familiar with.

The biggest effect i noticed that i think could help in identification was a drastic impact on my vision as if everything was swimming, like so drunk you cant hardly see straight anymore. Also unlike the vision effects meth usually could cause.

It eventually went away with overall desperate health related actions to treat it. Nothing close has ever occurred again even with some continued irresponsible use. At the time i was using larger doses (but this was not similar to the usual large dose shit) and taking less health related precautions like hydration or supplementation.

My only thought is perhaps hypoglycemia related but that idea is from an uninformed point of view on possible health issues or how this would issue might feel.

Any ideas?

 

[orgone]

Mental function was drastically reduced as it would be in those examples. It felt like a definite state of unhealth and in no way any of the usual sleep dep, psychosis, comedown, OD type stuff which i am very familiar with.

Didn't you post another thread not too long ago about excessive sweating or some similar effect with meth and "possible health issues" resulting from it's use? Seeing how this is primarily a HR focused board I'd suggest you take a break from using it. Being constantly sleep deprived, suffering from psychosis, etc is no way to live. You seem to be asking and answering your own questions. Continual use without "health related precautions" starts to take it's toll on your body and mind.

 

[tricomb]

Well we aren't medical professionals and we don't know your medical record or any idea about the state of your overall health and is history, but that sounds serious.

How much methamphetamine did you consume on that occasion? ROA (oral or rectal i presume based on low number of redoses)? Do you have a cardiac condition? History of it in your family?

STOP BINGING. SLEEP EVERY NIGHT. TAKE PROPER CARE OF YOUR BODY. REAL FOOD. WATER. VITAMINS.

 

[blight12]

Ok again this happened a long time ago and never reoccurred. The irresponsible behavior was also implied to be my behavior at the time. Perhaps a wasteful question then however I am responsible and aware of all the above points you mentioned enough and beyond to the extent of taking the time to query a single specific event from a while back that only occurred once.

Meth has risks and side effects which are clear and very well understood and researched by myself. Having accepted those as my right, i will attempt to investigate any other situations which do not match to those expected.

You imply i answer my own questions inferring that random generic info on meth being bad, that it can cause side effects, or basic health precautions. I very clearly ask specific questions in both threads and will not accept "well meth is bad mkay, make sure to eat and sleep" as the answer.

Neither should a an opiate user accept the same when querying a specific concern such as resp depression. I also only use two days a week on weekends and not daily FYI without constant sleep dep and psychosis etc as you imply. I know of course its meant well but disregarding the entire question is not really helpful at all.

HR is about promoting education on the topic of safe drug use and many users have made the choice to use said drug. HR is asking the questions I have in an attempt to educate and protect myself on my related activities.

HR is not telling users their drug is bad, they should stop (which is not helpful whatsoever) or implying they are complete idiots who don't understand the basics of their lifestyle and how not sleeping is bad (unless its warranted of course). All great advice but not what was requested.

Perhaps meth users are generally uneducated and irresponsible but im not sure, i dont know any others or have visibility of the lifestyle or people who use so apologies if this is the case. I will say i did notice a trend in other meth query posts so maybe im the only responsible tweaker who can use regularly without a daily habit, who knows lol?

This issue has not reoccurred and the other issue was related to alcohol use at the same time i determined. Both can be mitigated and avoided moving forward therefore -alone- they do not warrant ceasing my drug use, the other accepted risks aside.

The point of detailed analysis and finding answers is to be able to identify situations where a drastic solution like you suggest might not be necessary or incorrect, as it is in this case. Which is why i ask very specific questions to this end.

I need to understand the situation by obtaining information and make my own informed decision.

I dont understand why attempts to further understand my drug use and be responsible by asking the more detailed questions is a problem. Sorry if you didnt imply such things, im just ranting in general as i got a similar response the last time and times before. BL shouldn't be a place where attempt to learn about this stuff is dissuaded.

Attempts to gather meth info other then the common knowledge is pretty much pointless so far. I don't obviously expect answers or even responses, its just that responses that dissuade further attempts at requesting assistance seem to go against the whole point of the forum.

tricomb, sorry i don't remember the details and dosing was usually hitting a nice line of normal size or shaking some shards out on my hand and eating it. Bad behavior yes however I will clarify again that that behavior was also the same for many other experiences without a similar event so i would assume its not directly related to dosage. I have also overs timed often and gotten close to psychosis without this effect.

No heart history issues. In fact i experience less or negligible effect in terms of heart discomfort or rate then i generally see mentioned for this drug and have never had a related issue over years of previous coke use either.

I will say i might have implied the feeling as overly concerning or scary then it was, it was not overly damaging or perceived to be so, i did not feel at any time i needed medical attention for example. My concerns about severity is more around the massive change from the expected norm and that it has not reoccurred even in differing levels of severity, and that i probably worry to much about stuff thats not even an issue anymore lol

I understand its difficult to say, this was more an attempt at the slim chance the symptoms could be identified by somebody else who had experienced them. Fortunately its not now an ongoing issue, i just wanted to understand it if possible, i dont like mysteries lol. Thanks anyways.

 

[Jktm]

Anytime I've binged for longer than 2 days I get to where I feel sedated almost from the shit lol. Seems normal to me. All cognitive functionality gone, but I still had my inhibitions; hell, my inhibitions were greatly increased as I thought everyone and their mom was a fucking cop lmfao.

 

[blight12]

Anytime I've binged for longer than 2 days I get to where I feel sedated almost from the shit lol. Seems normal to me. All cognitive functionality gone, but I still had my inhibitions; hell, my inhibitions were greatly increased as I thought everyone and their mom was a fucking cop lmfao.

Yeah i get that as well. This was somewhat different. Hard to say how i know its not related, its just that when you get used to all the usual stuff, even the crazy stuff that can often happen, you just know when something is not right, is not what it should be.

This was like suddenly going from reduced mental function like meth does to suddenly being very drunk with effects opposing those of stimulation, even the peripheral stuff you would get as effects wear odd and comedown begins. No psychosis effects either or false mental activities, just reduced, but accurate function.

I must say I have tried to get to shadow people level just to have the experience but i can never get there without first loosing the euphoria and opting out since its now shitty and pointless.

The most i get is the voices, the crazy smells and the radio inside your head, which plays some good songs. I often end up just chilling listening to music in my head. And its all new stuff, nothing i have ever heard before. The mind is amazing lol. I wonder if its possible for a musician to actually listen and write out these songs as they are heard. I bet its happened before.

 

[Jktm]

lol...the only way shadow people status is any good if you've been up long enough to start having real hallucinations, and I wouldn't advise getting to that point. I went 5 days once, and I was BAT SHIT crazy. FUCK that New Years lmao.

 

[blight12]

Yeah, i like the idea of the experience but i guess some things are best left unexperienced. I think i read somewhere that the shadow people can come sooner then any full on psychosis so it warranted consideration. I think with oral/nasal ROA its more d difficult to get there then the others.

In fact i cant imagine needing improved ROA is oral is strong enough. Hell i wish the stuff was weaker not stronger.

 

[Jktm]

Ya, I always smoked it, and I would sometimes get visuals upon first dosing if I just sat there with a half gram and burned it all over the course of a couple hours.

 

[blight12]

I tried smoking once off foil but fucked it up somehow. Also tried plugging. Never tried again since i tend to jet get it and cant seem to justify any further delay and just end up sticking it in one of the two orifices and be done with it. Plus meth in your ass was highly uncomfortable like some of last nights curry/perri perri etc requesting approval for an emergency evac. They dont really mention that part.

When i started i did very high doses since i treated pure crystal like shitty street coke, say about 500mg of pure shit per day/dose without tolerance. It was godlike at those doses but ended up with nasty side effects. I can see how you could go on long binges though since i had bad side effects and issues but at those doses you dont notice or dont care.

Im fact i only experienced or noticed bad vasoc when reducing dosage and then rem i had it the same before but it was insignificant at the time and did not warrant a second of care. I have ended up almost passed out and breathless gasping for air and pretty fucked up and simply not cared and did more instead.

I would also get visual weirdness and other mini hallucinations from the start like pictures of people are always winking at me and the sensation that the girl in the pr0n pic is actually there somehow looking at me with a look that implies she approves of my actions. Sometimes it gets a bit uncomfortable with them watching you the whole time though, however i dont think they where being judgmental in any way.

I would also hear the groaning sounds of my fridge outside my bedroom window in the garden and would wonder why of all the weird audio shit i could hear, it had to be my fridge? So random.

I considered and enjoyed these as the norm for meth. Then i realized its not when i reduced to sane doses.

High doses are just to damn close to perfection that its really really bad idea. The seemingly accepted and background idea of invulnerability and pure hedonism consequence free based mindset is scary shit. I would have wrestled a lion no worries or something stupid like that no problems.

I do miss it, but must remain strong lol

 

[Jktm]

Ya, fuck that vasoconstriction. It made my dick kid-status and one time actually cut off so much circulation my dick was hurting...like a bad, burning cutting feeling throughout it lol.

I've never plugged meth, and good to know about the burn. Perhaps adding a little baking soda might reduce the burning sensation? I dunno though, the only thing I've ever plugged properly is buprenorphine, and I didn't feel anything (other than insertion/water) when I did that.

edit: When you smoke off foil, you've gotta be quick with that straw and be sure to pull the flame off real quickly and not let it roll off the foil. Smoking off of foil is lest wasteful, but smoking out of an oil pipe is MUCH easier...

 

[blight12]

^^ Yeah that little stim dick, while reduced in size, does also receive new powers for improved performance, if you know how to use it. Also it seems the amps provide some sort of immunity to damage since ive fucked up my hands before but the little guy somehow goes without a scratch. It could just be good genes, not sure. True to weird meth activities, i wrote a 50 page manual on this very topic at one point. Its still in the to scared to read sober and dont tell anybody about folder, along with many other works of literary genius. Another indicator to reduce dosage.

When i was younger i thought plugging MDMA was a good idea and it was done by shoving whole pills up there. Of course this didnt work but i will neither confirm nor deny whether the remains of that failed experiment where salvaged for usage through standard methods, my memory fails me. Thank god i found BL.