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Suboxone gone. Positive experiences replacing Sub w/Loperamide please. Help me thru..

MsSoberRecovery

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These posts have gotten me through many a day & night. I first wanted to send a site-wide THANK YOU for making this lonely time, wayyy less lonely.

And yes, I should INSTEAD be looking for work to dig myself out of this disgusting hole of debt I've fallen in due to an extensive Roxy, Morphine, Hydro habit for the last three years.

I've lost my job, my friends, any social inclinations whatsoever. It's definitely been the lowest times of my life. But, I cannot take care of business until I take care of me.

I started on a Suboxone program three weeks ago. Since then I've taken 8mg's two to three times a day. My doctor, who's not familiar w/addiction AT ALL, became a Suboxone doc, I'm guessing, for the extra income. His office is relentless when there's an appt scheduled. Which is why, I didn't understand why he dropped me from the program saying I was supposed to come back a WEEK after induction, even though he prescribed a month's worth of Suboxone. No one contacted me. Very weird.

Most upsetting is, I'd only opted for two weeks worth of Sub strips, due to the disgusting cost of the d*mn drug. So that's that.

He cut me off, coldly.

I never felt euphoric on Suboxone. You guys should also know, I've never gone through really bad W/D because I've found a way to make the pills happen OR the two times it could have been bad, I've taken loperemide to get me through to the next time I could hit The Spot.

Even before my Sub induction, the lope kept me in LOW, LOW w/d's and I was only grumpy because I wasn't feeling "right"... I took the Sub and didn't have precip w/d's and maintained fine off the Sub doses (which I now realize were high) for the last two weeks.

Now, not having the $ to do another induction w/a new Doc, and being cut off from my Doc, it's come into my mind and spirit that I truly want to be free of any of this thinking or lifestyle. Even if he called me today, or I manipulated my way back into his good graces.

I am wondering if anyone has had the experience tapering with ONE (or similar) 8mg Sub strip to ONLY loperamide tapering successfully w/little to no W/D's.

I'm not looking for an easy way out, because I know there is none, but I cannot afford (financially or mentally or physically), one day, one hour, one minute of being non-productive. I'm a single mother of two with bills up the a$$, a great resume, and must apply for the next step in my career before I'm homeless. I'm already surrounded by pink notices & my utilities close to getting cut off. I had no right to maintain such an expensive habit.

So here goes:

Day 1 - no Sub at all, no withdrawls: long half life
Day 2- .25 of Sub, six loperamide, simply-sleep, no w/d's great sleep
Day 3 (today)- grumpy as H*LL, arguing w/my tween daughter, .25 of Sub, six loperamide, no physical W/D's except an accelerated heart beat (which could be coffee intake which I'll reduce).

I need help moving into day 4, 5, 6, and especially that 7th and 8th day I read are horrible.

Also any supportive or positive experience w/helping to keep PAWS at a bearable level using this method.

Anyone?

I appreciate it. I'm lonely. :(

<3
 
because I'm new to this and confused about where this discussion should be housed. At this point, my ignorance on where to post has FAR outshined the horrible problem at hand, the support I was seeking and ESPECIALLY the initial gratitude I had that forums like this exist.

awesome.
 
Lopermide can easily prevent withdrawals, but why don't you just bite the bullet and pay the piper already? All you are doing is prolonging the dependence issue.
 
Quitting this forum as soon as I feel like figuring out how. See I can quit.

Peace.

You just stop coming here... that's how you "quit". And what exactly is the problem...? Your question didn't get answered fast enough? That's why we encourage people to learn the layout of the site first and post in the right place, so their questions have the best chance of being answered.. or like what happened here, if they don't post in the proper section, a staff member will move it.

So, have some patience.

As for your question.. loperamide can cause psychical dependence as well so I wouldn't recommend anybody ever replace suboxone with it.. It's not a good idea.
 
Op posted the same topic on suboxforum. Same user name and topic. Getting through withdraws from subs SUCK. I'd use short acting opiates for 7 days MAX and thats it.
 
I think your best bet is to take the smallest amount of bupe possible that keeps you well and slowly reduce it. When you say in your post that you take ".25 of sub" does that mean .25mg or a quarter of a suboxone which is 2mg? If you are only taking .25mg and staying well that is a very good sign and like I said I would take the .25mg for a few days maybe 3-4 and then try taking .20mg or .15mg and see how you feel. It has to be a hassle measuring out your doses when they are that small. I don't know what your current strategy is but if you have the pill then all you have to do is determine the total weight of 1 8mg suboxone which I believe is ~400mg and then whatever % of 8mg your dose for the day is, shave off that same % of the weight of the suboxone pill and there you have it.
 
Yes, thank u. That's exactly what I'm doing. None today. I feel OK. And a sliver of a strip (sorry for the measurement slip-up), last night when I was jumping out of my skin.

I've been hanging in. I really appreciate the positive answers.

Im not going to buy into the negativity (who cares where I posted two days after my mistake? Jesus...) being irritated as well as in w/d sux.... I was effected by the others earlier but over it. Big picture.

So, just FYI, I had/have an 8mg strip left. And a tiny sliver is what I was calling .25. I guess my only question now is if I jump from my lowest dose, could lope help me out if I have to be super-mom or have a [much needed] job interview. From there I'd taper from lope which I hear isn't as hard as bupe, in moderate doses.
 
Also to answer, re: short acting opiates, I'd never trust myself w/anything that crosses the bbb right now. Yikes. Thus the lope....
 
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