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So, do foreskins turn you off?

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okay, kiddies. I know this is one of those trolololol topics that gets people heated. I have a full day of shopping and drinking to do and don't want to read this whole thread, so from this line down, please please keep it civil so I don't get the report and one of us has to come back and read the thread.

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I am not going to get involved in the debate....but I do have to say that this thread inspired the first real belly laughs I have had in days...

My hubby and I were laying in bed last night and with this thread in mind I asked him if he felt like he was robbed of his foreskin, if he had wished that he had gotten to make the decision.

He came back with the argument that it was cleaner, and that foreskins were hairy (are they? I told him they weren't )

I countered with the fact that nature has them there for a reason, and that the head of the cock can become desensitized.

He then said something about having it replaced, and I told him apparently you can.

Then we both proceeded to laugh out loud for like five minutes as he made jokes about calling into work due to having foreskin restoration surgery. He was like, my cock has been desensitized for almost 50 years, I am going to need some time off...etc

Ok, I know this is a very serious issue for some. But it did provide some much needed lulz last night...
 
^ LOL I did ROFL at your story, Beachcat. My virology professor said that it is cleaner and you can harbor disease more easily. He's a med school professor, so I just take his word for it. A lot of the stuff people repeat on forums is from random stuff they read on the Internet. This is part of the reason I despise pseudo-medical sites on the Internet.

I recently lit into a guy who was bitching about Google rank when he had a medical site that proposed using home remedies for abscesses. It said something about rubbing some kitchen stuff on it or something like that, and I told him to GTFO and that his site should be wiped from the Internet entirely for giving dangerous and life-threatening advice.

You have to be so careful about what you read and take in as fact, and I think a lot of times the mommies who get worked up over this topic have read one of these pseudo-medical sites.
 
Lysis said:
My virology professor said that it is cleaner and you can harbor disease more easily. He's a med school professor, so I just take his word for it. A lot of the stuff people repeat on forums is from random stuff they read on the Internet. This is part of the reason I despise pseudo-medical sites on the Internet.

I recently lit into a guy who was bitching about Google rank when he had a medical site that proposed using home remedies for abscesses. It said something about rubbing some kitchen stuff on it or something like that, and I told him to GTFO and that his site should be wiped from the Internet entirely for giving dangerous and life-threatening advice.

You have to be so careful about what you read and take in as fact, and I think a lot of times the mommies who get worked up over this topic have read one of these pseudo-medical sites.
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Your professor is incorrect. By his logic female circumcision or removing a woman's clitoral hood would be a good thing because the vagina with all of its tissue can harbor bacteria, disease, and have a fishy smell. 8)

I'm a gay man and I have been with men who are cut and trust me their penises smelled nasty and did harbor bacteria. I didn't have sex with them but they wanted it with me but I did not have sex with them since they can't even be bothered to wash their body.

Actually there are a lot of factual sites about foreskin on the internet and they are not just random BS. Do your own research if you are actually capable of doing this, instead of parroting some professor who would fap over.

Male genital mutilation or circumcision is not recommended by the AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) and most other countries do not recommend it either.
 
its still just the opinion of one man with a doctorate:D

i'm pretty sure my fingernails harbour dirt but i wouldn't have them completely removed, now come to think of it my ears are pretty dirty too lol...
 
Beachcat said:
I am not going to get involved in the debate....but I do have to say that this thread inspired the first real belly laughs I have had in days...

My hubby and I were laying in bed last night and with this thread in mind I asked him if he felt like he was robbed of his foreskin, if he had wished that he had gotten to make the decision.

He came back with the argument that it was cleaner, and that foreskins were hairy (are they? I told him they weren't )
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Of course he is not going to think he's missing anything he had no choice in getting his genitals mutilated and he's never experienced having a foreskin and probably never had sex with a man who has a foreskin either sucking off a guy, stroking his dick, or bottoming.

A guy that's cut saying he's not missing anything is akin to someone who has had a lobotomy or ECT (electroconvulsive therapy) claiming they are not brain damaged at all.

A dick that's cut is no more "Clean" than a vagina or penis that is completely unmutilated and is fully functioning. It does not matter if someone is cut or not when it comes to cleanliness. What matters is if they practice basic hygiene and wash with soap and water daily. I have been with guys who are cut who had nasty smelling dicks because they thought they did not need to wash daily since they were cut. We did not have sex.

Circumcision of infant boys is child molestation.
 
Lysis said:
PhD advice with years of research under his belt > random BL poster claims
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So what? That is just his opinion and who says he is correct?

Here is what gets removed and lost when someone is cut:
Foreskin
The foreskin comprises roughly 50% (and sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis. If unfolded and spread out flat, the average adult foreskin would measure about 15 square inches - the size of a three-by-five index card. This highly specialized tissue normally covers the glans and protects it from abrasion, drying, callusing (also called keratinization), and contaminants of all kinds.

Click here to view an animated graphic illustrating foreskin mobility.

We refer to the process we undergo as foreskin restoration but we don't actually grow new foreskins. What we do instead is to extend the remaining skin on the shaft of the penis. The non-surgical techniques we use induce the skin to grow additional cells, and over a period of time the shaft skin will gradually extend to cover the glans. The extended skin looks and behaves and functions much like a natural foreskin.

[Sources: 1. M. M. Lander, "The Human Prepuce," in G. C. Denniston and M. F. Milos, eds., Sexual Mutilations: A Human Tragedy (New York: Plenum Press, 1997), 79-81. 2. M. Davenport, "Problems with the Penis and Prepuce: Natural History of the Foreskin," British Medical Journal 312 (1996): 299-301.]

Frenar Band, or
Ridged Band The frenar band is a group of soft ridges near the junction of the inner and outer foreskin. This region is the primary erogenous zone of the intact male body. Loss of this delicate belt of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue reduces the fullness and intensity of sexual response.

There is no known method of restoring the frenar band.

[Source: Taylor, J. R. et al., "The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision," British Journal of Urology 77 (1996): 291-295.]




Gliding Action The foreskin's gliding action is a hallmark feature of the normal, natural, intact penis. This non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of its own shaft skin facilitates smooth, comfortable, pleasurable intercourse for both partners. Without this gliding action, the corona of the circumcised penis can function as a one-way valve, making artificial lubricants necessary for comfortable intercourse.

The return of this natural gliding action is one of the primary benefits of foreskin restoration. In many cases, wives of restoring men were initially doubtful about restoration but came to value it highly when their husbands had grown enough new skin to effect greater levels of comfort and pleasure during intercourse.

[Source: P. M. Fleiss, MD, MPH, "The Case Against Circumcision," Mothering: The Magazine of Natural Family Living (Winter 1997): 36-45.]




Meissner's Corpuscles Circumcision removes the most important sensory component of the foreskin - thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types. Together these detect subtle changes in motion and temperature, as well as fine gradations in texture.

There is no known method of restoring Meissner's corpuscles or other specialized sensory nerve cells. However, restoring and restored men almost universally experience tremendous increases in sensitivity, in part because the highly sensitive nerve cells in the glans are no longer buried under several layers of keratinized skin.

[Sources: 1. R. K. Winkelmann, "The Erogenous Zones: Their Nerve Supply and Its Significance," Proceedings of the Staff Meetings of the Mayo Clinic 34 (1959): 39-47. 2. R. K. Winkelmann, "The Cutaneous Innervation of Human Newborn Prepuce," Journal of Investigative Dermatology 26 (1956): 53-67.]




Frenulum The frenulum is a highly erogenous V-shaped structure on the underside of the glans that tethers the foreskin. During circumcision it is frequently either amputated with the foreskin or severed, which destroys or diminishes its sexual and physiological functions.

If the frenulum is amputated, there is no known method of replacing it. If only a small portion of the frenulum is left, it is probably no longer functional as a tethering structure. There is no known method of attaching it to a restored foreskin, but some men have reported stretching the frenulum remnant as they stretched their foreskin.

[Sources: 1. Cold, C, Taylor, J, "The Prepuce," BJU International 83, Suppl. 1, (1999): 34-44. 2. Kaplan, G.W., "Complications of Circumcision," Urologic Clinics of North America 10, 1983.]




Dartos Fascia Circumcision removes approximately half of this temperature-sensitive smooth muscle sheath which lies between the outer layer of skin and the corpus cavernosa.

There is no known method of restoring amputated portions of the dartos fascia. However, the new skin may duplicate dartos fascia muscle tissue if it is present in the remnant skin that is being stretched.

[Source: Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): Plates 234, 329, 338, 354, 355.]




Immunological System The soft mucosa (inner foreskin) contains its own immunological defense system which produces plasma cells. These cells secrete immunoglobulin antibodies as well as antibacterial and antiviral proteins, including the pathogen killing enzyme lysozyme.

Once removed with the foreskin, there is no known method of restoring this immunological defense system.

[Sources: 1. A. Ahmed and A. W. Jones, "Apocrine Cystadenoma: A Report of Two Cases Occurring on the Prepuce," British Journal of Dermatology 81 (1969): 899-901. 2. P. J. Flower et al., "An Immunopathologic Study of the Bovine Prepuce," Veterinary Pathology 20 (1983):189-202.]




Lymphatic Vessels The loss of these vessels due to circumcision reduces the lymph flow within that part of the body's immune system.

While some lymphatic vessels remain, there is no known method of restoring those that were removed during circumcision.

[Source: Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plate 379.]




Estrogen Receptors The presence of estrogen receptors within the foreskin has only recently been discovered. Their purpose is not yet understood and needs further study.

There is no known method of restoring the foreskin's estrogen receptors.

[Source: R. Hausmann et al., "The Forensic Value of the Immunohistochemical Detection of Oestrogen Receptors in Vaginal Epithelium," International Journal of Legal Medicine 109 (1996): 10-30.]




Apocrine Glands These glands of the inner foreskin produce pheromones - nature's powerful, silent, invisible behavioral signals to potential sexual partners. The effect of their absence on human sexuality has never been studied.

There is no known method of restoring apocrine glands to the penis.

[Source: A. Ahmed and A. W. Jones, "Apocrine Cystadenoma: A Report of Two Cases Occurring on the Prepuce," British Journal of Dermatology 81 (1969): 899-901.]




Sebaceous Glands The sebaceous glands may lubricate and moisturize the foreskin and glans, which is normally a protected internal organ. Not all men have sebaceous glands on their inner foreskin.

There is no known method of restoring sebaceous glands if they were present..

[Source: A. B. Hyman and M. H. Brownstein, "Tyson's Glands: Ectopic Sebaceous Glands and Papillomatosis Penis," Archives of Dermatology 99 (1969): 31-37.]




Langerhans Cells These specialized epithelial cells are a component of the immune system in the penis.

There is no known method of restoring Langerhans cells to the penis.

[Source: G. N. Weiss et al., "The Distribution and Density of Langerhans Cells in the Human Prepuce: Site of a Diminished Immune Response?" Israel Journal of Medical Sciences 29 (1993): 42-43.]




Natural Glans Coloration The natural coloration of the glans and inner foreskin (usually hidden and only visible to others when sexually aroused) is considerably more intense than the permanently exposed and keratinized coloration of a circumcised penis. The socio-biological function of this visual stimulus has never been studied.

The glans ranges from pink to red to dark purple among intact men of Northern European ancestry, and from pinkish to mahagony to dark brown among intact men of Color. If circumcision is performed on an infant or young boy, the connective tissue which protectively fuses the foreskin and glans together is ripped apart. This leaves the glans raw and subject to infection, scarring, pitting, shrinkage, and eventual discoloration. Over a period of years the glans becomes keratinized, adding additional layers of tissue in order to adequately protect itself, which further contributes to discoloration.

Many restoring men report dramatic changes in glans color and appearance, and that these changes closely mirror the natural coloration and smooth, glossy appearance of the glans seen in intact men.

[Source: P. M. Fleiss, MD, MPH, "The Case Against Circumcision," Mothering: The Magazine of Natural Family Living (Winter 1997): 36-45.]




Length and Circumference Circumcision removes some of the length and girth of the penis - its double-layered wrapping of loose and usually overhanging foreskin is removed. A circumcised penis is truncated and thinner than it would have been if left intact.

Many men have kept detailed records of their measurements before, during, and after restoration. There is an increasing consensus that foreskin restoration enhances penile length and circumference.

[Source: R. D. Talarico and J. E. Jasaitis, "Concealed Penis: A Complication of Neonatal Circumcision," Journal of Urology 110 (1973): 732-733.]




Blood Vessels Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery, are removed in circumcision. The loss of this rich vascularization interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development.

There is no known method of restoring arteries and vessels that were removed during circumcision. However, many restoring men have noticed that the new skin is more richly vascularized than the older skin of their penis. We have no medical explanation for this phenomenon.

[Sources: 1. H. C. Bazett et al., "Depth, Distribution and Probable Identification in the Prepuce of Sensory End-Organs Concerned in Sensations of Temperature and Touch; Thermometric Conductivity," Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry 27 (1932): 489-517. 2. Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plates 238, 239.]




Dorsal Nerves The terminal branch of the pudendal nerve connects to the skin of the penis, the prepuce, the corpora cavernosa, and the glans. Destruction of these nerves is a rare but devastating complication of circumcision. If cut during circumcision, the top two-thirds of the penis will be almost completely without sensation.

There is no known method of restoring dorsal nerves.

[Sources: 1. Agur, A.M.R. ed., "Grant's Atlas of Anatomy," Ninth Edition (Williams and Wilkins, 1991): 188-190. 2. Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plate 380, 387.]




Other Losses • Circumcision performed during infancy disrupts the bonding process between child and mother. There are indications that the innate sense of trust in intimate human contact is inhibited or lost. It can also have significant adverse effects on neurological development. Additionally, an infant's self-confidence and hardiness is diminished by forcing the newborn victim into a defensive psychological state of "learned helplessness" or
"acquired passivity" to cope with the excruciating pain which he can
neither fight nor flee. The trauma of this early pain lowers a circumcised boy's pain threshold below that of intact boys and girls

[Sources: 1. R. Goldman, Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma (Boston: Vanguard Publications, 1997), 139-175. 2. A. Taddio et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Responses during Vaccination in Boys," Lancet 345 (1995): 291-292.]


• Every year some boys lose their entire penises from circumcision accidents and infections. They are then "sexually reassigned" by castration and transgender surgery, and are expected to live their lives as females.

[Sources: 1. J. P. Gearhart and J. A. Rock, "Total Ablation of the Penis after Circumcision with Electrocautery: A Method of Management and Long-Term Followup," Journal of Urology 142 (1989):799-801. 2. M. Diamond and H. K. Sigmundson, "Sex Reassignment at Birth: Long-Term Review and Clinical Implications," Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine 151 (1997): 298-304.]


• Every year many boys in the United States and elsewhere lose their lives as a result of circumcision - a fact that is routinely ignored or obscured.

[Sources: 1. G. W. Kaplan, "Complications of Circumcision," Urologic Clinics of North America 10 (1983): 543-549. 2. R. S. Thompson, "Routine Circumcision in the Newborn: An Opposing View," Journal of Family Practice 31 (1990): 189-196.
 
Lysis said:
I had my gall bladder removed at 27. It has a function too, and I'm sure as hell better off without it.
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You had a medical issue with your gall bladder. There's no reason or need to forcibly remove or mutilate without their consent, the healthy and perfectly normal tissue from anyone's genitals.

If someone's an adult and wants to get cut that's fine they can go ahead and do whatever they want to their dick or vag even get all of the tissue down their removed but doing it to an infant or kid who cannot consent is genital mutilation plain and simple, and it's unnecessary and barbaric.
 
Lysis said:
If you tell me you don't believe in vaccinations too, I think I will cry.
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Actually yes I do believe in vaccinations. Or have you not read what I've written about how the flu vaccine is safe and needed here on bluelight?

Either way vaccinations, and elective gall bladder surgery as an adult for a gall bladder issue do not compare to involuntary genital mutilation of infants or young kids. You are grasping at straws and using flawed logic here.
 
DrunkardsDream said:
Actually yes I do believe in vaccinations. Or have you not read what I've written about how the flu vaccine is safe and needed here on bluelight?

Either way vaccinations, and elective gall bladder surgery as an adult for a gall bladder issue do not compare to involuntary genital mutilation of infants or young kids. You are grasping at straws and using flawed logic here.
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No, I just don't care as much as you do. If I had a male child, I would have it done. This is just one of those issues where people are going to scream and yell and get upset over the topic but no one's minds are going to change.
 
DrunkardsDream said:
Circumcision of infant boys is child molestation.
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The best thing is its legal and there isn't anything you can do about it other than ring your own foreskin in disgust.

I never raise a hand, let alone my voice to my son but I am still his boss. I remove frenums from the lips and tongue every week with a laser and every kid cries and tells me they dont want it. I just shoot a dirty look at their mum or dad to say, " control your child you poor excuse for a parent", and finish the procedure anyway. Never been sued for not getting consent from a 6 year old so im not about to start caring anytime soon. Giving kids any sort of rights is what caused the current batch of self centred me generation and the sooner parents took control the better.

I have never met a single man who misses his foreskin, and can honestly say if I ever did I would think they are retarded.
 
Everyone here has their panty's in a bunch,

They way is see it is, a dick is a dick with foreskin/or no foreskin.
Ass long as he can still fuck me in the bed I don't give a fuck!. Now if the doctor is hacking off a someone's cock8o then I might give two shits about the situation.:|
 
Lysis said:
No, I just don't care as much as you do. If I had a male child, I would have it done. This is just one of those issues where people are going to scream and yell and get upset over the topic but no one's minds are going to change.
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So you are pro genital mutilation big surprise. Getting an infant boy's foreskin involuntarily removed is akin to a female circumcision.

one thousand words said:
I have never met a single man who misses his foreskin...
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Actually there are a lot of men who are not happy that we were cut at birth and had our foreskin removed without our consent. I have read posts here on bluelight from guys who are cut who wish they were not.
 
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