Opioids going crazzy without my roxys killin myself with percs could use some helpful advic

[brutus]

^ If that was the case with your BP medicine, just take it an hour or so before consuming the GFJ.

 

[ahkwa]

I found I could take about 1/4 - 1/2 less of the Oxy I usually did.

So you're saying that 1/4 less (seems like the average with you probably) felt like your normal dose? Damn I never knew it worked that well. Would i be wrong to assume your ROA is IV? And have you ever tried that with say, Dilaudid?

 

[Leaping Gnome]

^ If that was the case with your BP medicine, just take it an hour or so before consuming the GFJ.

The BP med that it affected is only taken once a day and I think it's somewhat of a time release...so it needs the liver producing the enzyme 24 hours a day. As I read up on the BP med more when I was taking the Oxycodone & GF, I'm not supposed to have any grapefruit at all while taking it.

I'm no longer on the Oxycodone, but on 60mg a day of Hydrocodone 10/325.

About potentiation; both of my ears are infected, the inner & the outer at the same time...along with a slight sinus infection. I was put on antibiotics 3 weeks ago and have another week to go on them. About a week ago I started taking a multi vitamin for men over 50 years old and 3000mg - 4000mg of vitamin C a day.

As normal I took too much of my Hydrocodone and the last 4 days I had to taper down to make it to fill date. The last 2 days I only had 6 pills left. The first day I took 4 and the last day I had 2 left. When I got my script filled I was out 21 hours. I sure as hell didn't feel great, but I was nowhere close to any REAL WD!!! The worst part was not having anything to kill my chronic pains.

It makes me wonder if it was the antibiotics, the multi vitamin, all the Vitamin C acting like GF does on oxycodone, or what kept me from WD.

Leaping Gnome

 

[ksmethadone]

Your first thing to do is to buy milk thistle capsules and start taking double the recommended dosage and 3 times a day. It helps.

And dude, don't give me this fucking bullshit "you CAN'T go without for 12 hours..." I've kicked 180 mg of methadone to zero completely cold with only a few valium for the first few days to get me through. I've kicked H cold, kicked oxys (in the mid 90s before every idiot was taking it and brought the price up and then got purdue to change the formula). If you care so much about your health, don't tell me you can't go 12 hrs without a perc. How long have you been doing it? you aren't going to do any kind major damage. Ge tthe milk thistle at any major drug store or health store will carry them. But I have to tell you, the people here who have had serious habits are laughing at your "I can't go 12 hours without a perc..."

 

[ahkwa]

I'm no longer on the Oxycodone, but on 60mg a day of Hydrocodone 10/325.

Damn that sucks, if i may ask what is you're chronic pain?

About potentiation; both of my ears are infected, the inner & the outer at the same time...along with a slight sinus infection. I was put on antibiotics 3 weeks ago and have another week to go on them. About a week ago I started taking a multi vitamin for men over 50 years old and 3000mg - 4000mg of vitamin C a day.

Have you looked into dxm? It is rumored to slow down and maybe possibly reverse tolerance. seriously, try taking 30mg dxm before taking your largest dose of the day. I dont see why docs even bother with hydrocodone. I mean yeah the apap helps a bit. But they know most people weather they wanna get high or not, take a little extra. So they know its killing peoples livers. Its an endless paradox and the pharmaceutical companys profit from it.

sorry it wont let me double quote im a noob xD

 

[Leaping Gnome]

So you're saying that 1/4 less (seems like the average with you probably) felt like your normal dose? Damn I never knew it worked that well. Would i be wrong to assume your ROA is IV? And have you ever tried that with say, Dilaudid?

When I was on the Oxycodone a year ago I was getting #240 15mg pills a month. I didn't get the number of pills to take 12 everyday, but the script was written where I could take up to 12 a day. To make the script last I had to average 8 pills, or 120mg a day. As I ALWAYS did with a new script, at least 9 - 10 pills a day. Then every month I ran out.

Towards the end of one month and coming up short on the pills, I read about "WHITE" grapefruit juice for Oxycodone here on BL. I did some other reading and decided to give it a try. On the Oxy I would need at least 8 pills to stay out of pain and feel ok. If I was down to 6 a day there wasn't a real WD, but I felt like shit!!! When I started drinking the GF juice I could get by fine on 6 a day...kinda like taking 8 a day. If worst came to worst I could even drop it down to 4 pills a day and be somewhat OK. I seem to recall I only had 3 pills one day and lived through it...without the GF there would've been NOWAY!!!

Now it may or may not work for you that great.

The only time I ever shot pills was way back in the 60's and they were reds (Secondal caps). BTW, and that was the only time I ever shot anything and only twice. I always just eat the pills. I tried smoking and snorting my Oxycodone a couple of times, but IMO for me, I found both to be a waste.

About 8 months ago I had one script of Elaxo (sp), which is time release Dilaudid. All I did was chew the little rocks and didn't get much from them.

I dont see why docs even bother with hydrocodone.

Right before starting on the 10/325 Norcos about 6 months ago I was on about 50mg a day of 10/325 Percocet. Through chiropractic/deep massage and RF injections I got my pain level down. I wanted to get off of anything with Oxycodone in it and back on Hydrocodone. I took Hydrocodone for over 25 years and never had the addiction problems I've had since my first Oxycodone pill!!! I don't get that "GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER PILL JUST TO HAVE IT," like with the Oxycodone.

Then I'm here in Florida where now you’re lucky to get a script filled of the Oxy without going "Drug Store Cowboy!"


Leaping Gnome

 

[kwhat]

You dont need to be a psychic to predict the next move of opiate addicts

the truth.

jus ease off for 12hours n take some valium to help a lil with withdrawl then go get dones. but subs are def more helpful imo cuz dones get me fucked up as where subs help cravings alot more n not as a euphoric high as dones. i dont get a buzz off subs after im on em for a couple days

 

[smokemctoke420]

why has'nt anyone mentioned plugging so you wont absorb nearly as much APAP? is there something im missing here?

 

[srkone]

This post wins the thread, due in no small part, to the last sentence I cringed when I read 6.5 GRAMS of apap a day. Boy howdy...

 

[Need4speed]

you can be a day away from jaundice, 20 percs a day with that much AP your pushing it buddy

go to that popular blood/drug testing place and get liver values test for $40

you have to be bloated like hell and constipated like a motherfucka

 

[Blind Melon]

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but here's my $0.02:

Option One: Stretch it out with other stuff
Valerian Root
White Grapefruit Juice
Diphenhydramine
Kava Kava (weakest of the bunch, some people swear by it though)
Kratom
Benzos (huge addiction potential, but they work like a fuckin charm)

Option 2:
Get on Suboxone
Option 2.5
Get on Methadone (if the subs don't work for you; I personally hate them).

Option 3:
Tell your Doc you need more meds.

 

[ansyntis]

There is no need to wait twelve hours for methadone. You can take methadone five minutes after you chug twenty of your percocet. Suboxone is what you need to wait for. Methadone does not produce precipitated withdrawals like buprenorphine. Even if they tell you to, lie. They can't prove it..when they ask you your last dose and how much it was, tell them it was just your last handful of percocet and a little over twelve hours ago. They'll never know.

 

[ReversiblePulpitis]

I imagine the 12 hours is to not load the OP on too much opiate, granted 12 hours isn't much, but it is a half-life or two.

 

[smokemctoke420]

fucking plug em. plug. plug. plug.

 

[i are spectre]

N ACETYL CYSTEINE jesus

 

[brutus]

^ It would have been a little more helpful if you would have posted that it's used for APAP overdoses.

 

[larkin]

Maybe you could make some poppy seed tea? If you get good seeds, you can make tea that contains hundreds of milligrams of (oral) morphine. I always check http://poppyseedreview.tumblr.com before i buy seeds. That site always knows which seeds are good and which arent

 

[HighonLife]

Tell us more about the technique you used for the CWE, we'll try to help. Hot water will also ruin the opiates, you need to use warm water...

well im not sure how much this matters seein as how the OP hasnt returned to his/her own thread

but anyways i see this on BL too often for how blantantly obvious it seems

a CWE is a cold water extraction

the colder the water the less soluble apap is, so yes dont use hot water but dont use warm water either, let it get as cold as possible

also as its been covered you dont need to wait to dose methadone for fear of PWD, chances are the clinic asks that one waits because they dont wanna dose someone with methadone right after thier usual opiate of choice dose because of concerns of OD, so recommending this person take their percs right before goin in n lying about it is not in the interest of harm reduction


OP if you do come back tell us what your procedure for the cwe's you were doin was n we'll try n walk you thru it so you can use this as an option

from someone who knew full well about cwe but for whatever reason neglected to do the extra work/wait the extra time believe me i very much regret the countless times i said fuck it to a cwe

also why did your Dr switch you from 30mg oxy ir to 5/325 percocets in the first place? just curious

 

[tentram]

N ACETYL CYSTEINE jesus

yes, this, if you're using apap everyday/regularly. great to see someone mention this, it barely gets mentioned. buy it in bulk and it's cheap as fuck.

now i haven't read the whole thread so i'm sure someone has mentioned a cold water extraction, right? to eliminate most all the apap. you can then take a pill or two on top for the anti-inflammatory effects with increased analgesia in combination with the oxycodone.

edit - yep, of course wiggi mentioned it in the first reply!

Hot water will also ruin the opiates, you need to use warm water...

what? it's a cold water etraction, not a warm water extraction; warmer temp water allows a more water soluble apap, thus more is likely to be in the end solution.

 

[clarkgrizwald]

I love reading through these posts....hilarious!

You've definitely peaked my interest to try CWE. I just want to make sure I have the correct instructions. I watched a guy on Youtube. But there's been so much back and forth with it, I'm confused.