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Xanax: 1mg sleep, 2mg=amnesia, sleep, 3mg=euphoria?? Check please

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Too bad there's no debate forum here, haha. If you suffer extreme anxiety, then a benzo will bring you to normalcy but i wouldn't consider that 'being high'. Taking a lot of benzo will knock you out, but i wouldn't consider that 'being high' either. Loss of motor coordination doesn't feel specifically good, it's just a novel peripheral effect, right? When you take heroin or cocaine, there is an unmistakable reaction involving the reward system which undoubtably produces 'pronounced euphoria' and gets the user 'high' without a question, due to a flood of dopamine. Of course there are other ways to use the word 'high' such as in the term 'natural high', but in the context of recreational drug use, i honestly feel that there should be a noted difference between 'mood lift' and 'euphoric high'.

It's the same concept that we use to define the feeling of a psychedelic as an 'experience' or a 'trip'. They don't get you high like dopaminergic drugs do, because they don't flood dopamine and therefore don't offer a drug induced euphoria. Same goes for benzos, the user doesn't get 'high' in a classical dopaminergic sense, rather they become 'sedated' which for many people feels good. When i go to a massage therapist, i feel great, feel very relaxed and it is fantastic but i still don't consider getting a massage 'getting high'.
 
^Well I feel high on opiates. I also feel high on benzos. One does not exclude the other. For me, the opiate high is a euphoric high, the benzo high is a sedative high. It's still a high.
This isn't even considering the fact that 'being high' really doesn't mean anything specific at all.
Benzos are probably the most debatable drug. I've heard of so many people who don't get any recreational use out of it, and just as many who do. There isn't really a right answer here...aside from the fact that the OP shouldn't get into experimenting with them.
 
Crashing said:
It's the same concept that we use to define the feeling of a psychedelic as an 'experience' or a 'trip'. They don't get you high like dopaminergic drugs do, because they don't flood dopamine and therefore don't offer a drug induced euphoria. Same goes for benzos, the user doesn't get 'high' in a classical dopaminergic sense, rather they become 'sedated' which for many people feels good. When i go to a massage therapist, i feel great, feel very relaxed and it is fantastic but i still don't consider getting a massage 'getting high'.
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Your massage doesn't effect GABA, if it all, like Benzodiazepines do.

While "high" is subjective, I really don't think you can argue that benzos don't offer any high. They change mood, have muscle relaxing properties, have sedative effects, and are hypnotic among other things. Your massage doesn't offer all of those things, and isn't chemically induced. Alcohol gets you high, so do benzos.

While most people don't say they're "high" when consuming alcohol, it is still in all technicality a high.
 
hatrix said:
Your massage doesn't effect GABA, if it all, like Benzodiazepines do.

While "high" is subjective, I really don't think you can argue that benzos don't offer any high. They change mood, have muscle relaxing properties, have sedative effects, and are hypnotic among other things. Your massage doesn't offer all of those things, and isn't chemically induced. Alcohol gets you high, so do benzos.

While most people don't say they're "high" when consuming alcohol, it is still in all technicality a high.
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If we're talking about a 'high' that is specifically chemically induced, then you are talking about 'intoxication'. That's different. Benzos definitely make you intoxicated. But massage certainly has all those things you mentioned - changes mood, has muscle relaxing properties, has sedative effects, can be hypnotic..

You can say that you're 'high' on Alcohol, but there's probably a reason that the 'intoxication' from alcohol is commonly termed 'drunk' and that is probably because when the vast majority of people drink alcohol, just wouldn't call it a 'high'.

There is definitely no right or wrong because like Pagey said, 'getting high' means nothing, which is pretty obvious at this point. I just feel that there are more accurate ways to describe an experience, and personally i don't get any benefit out of benzos other than when i want to eliminate the high or trip from other intoxicants. =D
 
Crashing said:
If we're talking about a 'high' that is specifically chemically induced, then you are talking about 'intoxication'. That's different. Benzos definitely make you intoxicated. But massage certainly has all those things you mentioned - changes mood, has muscle relaxing properties, has sedative effects, can be hypnotic..

You can say that you're 'high' on Alcohol, but there's probably a reason that the 'intoxication' from alcohol is commonly termed 'drunk' and that is probably because when the vast majority of people drink alcohol, just wouldn't call it a 'high'.

There is definitely no right or wrong because like Pagey said, 'getting high' means nothing, which is pretty obvious at this point. I just feel that there are more accurate ways to describe an experience, and personally i don't get any benefit out of benzos other than when i want to eliminate the high or trip from other intoxicants. =D
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I get where you're coming from.

IMO, I think the reason people don't call being drunk being high, is because most people don't see alcohol as a drug. I feel like I'm always telling people that alcohol is still a drug just like any other drug, but legal and dissolved in a drinkable solution. Not anyone on here of course, they realize it's a drug, but people who don't really have any drug knowledge. If it was illegal then more people would see it as just the drug it really is. Also being drunk is more socially acceptable than being high =D
 
synthetix said:
I'm not going to argue on the whole topic of benzo euphoria anymore. My opinion sticks, I get euphoria from some of them. Shame if you can't. Frankly if it didn't provide some kind of euphoria, I find it hard to understand why they are some of the most abused medications, sold on the black market, and have even been stated to produce euphoria.
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I must have completely overlooked that before totally hijacking this thread. :|
 
"Euphoria: a feeling of well-being or elation."[source]

Seems pretty subjective to me. ;)
 
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One thing interesting that I read somewhere is that benzos can affect people differently depending upon their age. Teenagers tend to find them more euphoric and even sort of stimulating in a way, while adults tend to experience less euphoria and find them more sedating. This is very likely to do with the fact that the composition of GABA receptors gradually changes during adolescence. This may account for other things too, like how young people can stay up all night drinking and partying while older people just want to go to sleep if they drink too much. We always think of GABA as an inhibitory neurotransmitter, but in young people it is actually more excitatory [a source].
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Wow that is really interesting. I learned something New today; good post swimming
 
"Euphoria: Elevated mood. Euphoria is a desirable and natural occurrence when it results from happy or exciting events. An excessive degree of euphoria that is not linked to events is characteristic of hypomania or mania, abnormal mood states associated with bipolar disorders." [source]

Looks the same to me lol.

And please don't tell me you cited a Drug Culture thread as a reputable source lol. That thread is gather the opinions of other bluelighters: definition of subjective.

edit: please note - I'm not arguing how euphoric benzodiazepines or any drugs are, I'm arguing that the euphoria is subjective to each and every individual's perception.

Example: Most people hate getting hit in the balls while a select few like getting stilettos driven into them.
 
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We were arguing our opinions man, which as far as I know are usually subjective... No worries though

But hey, what do you think? Are 3mgs of alprazolam euphoric? :D
 
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lol...sorry man...you just kept biting and I was in just one of those moods...I couldn't resist when you got definitive from my original post.

edit: Because honestly, my original post was directed towards the thread as a whole, not you as a person lol.
 
This is FAR from the original topic brought up. Also, it's now in the range of things leading to endless speculation. Closed. PM any questions.
 
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