Methylstenbolone Cycle

MattPD

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Methylstenbolone/First Cycle - updated with planned cycle

Hi Folks. I've been out of the 'drug' game for a good while and have been living healthy. Been hitting the gym hard the past year and am currently working on my first real bulking cycle (and doing it as clean as possible.)

Currently I'm 5'11, 179, 15% bf (was cutting it down further, but didn't want to lower it to the point I was putting on extra fat during the bulk because my body thought it needed it), and as you can tell from my join date, not too young to be contemplating a cycle. Lifting generally 5-6 days a week with a fairly normal split, hitting each zone 1x hard and another time light each week. Eating like crazy, diet is totally dialed in. Had to drop my cardio down to 3x a week because I kept losing even in, what I thought, was a fairly decent caloric surplus (I love cardio, so that was hard.)

I'm vaguely sorta kinda contemplating a Methylsten cycle...not sure, was just considering it. Have done my homework so know what to expect and what I'd need, I think, but I wanted some confirmation so I came here.

The theory is just a 4 week cycle with the Methyl at 10mg per day. Now, since it doesn't aromatise I don't need any anti-aromatase on hand, is that correct? Obviously I'll have Nolvo for PCT, but if I understand correctly it shouldn't be an issue during the cycle. I also know that it's tuff on the liver and so I'm wondering what you would recommend for that? I know there's a lot of 'cycle support' type things with milk thistle/silymarin, NAC, Beta-Sitosterol...now, super necessary or unnecessary marketing tool? I already take silymarin on the daily, so was wondering what was recommended on cycle for the potential hepatotoxicity. I don't drink and the only drugs I take are prescribed benzos.

The cycle would essentially be...

Weeks 1-4 10mg Methyl, + Standard liver support regimen
Weeks 5-6 Nolvo 20mg/day
Weeks 7-8 Nolvo 10mg/day

I do also take DAA, so that would run concurrently with the whole thing. The big worry for me would be losing any gains post-cycle (and the obvious health risks that go along with these kinds of things), so I guess a main question is, what pieces am I missing, especially from a HR perspective.

Anyways, these are just some thoughts I was having and I was hoping to get some input from the good minds here.

Thanks
 
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No oral only cycles. You need injectable Testosterone with an oral.
 
Ah, gotcha, so with something like this would the methyl just take the place of the dianabol in your "first cycle" post? Or would it be better to just run the cycle like you outlined, without subbing anything?
 
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If your diet and training is near 100% I suggest this cycle -

1-4 dbol for quick strength and mass gains @ 30-50mg
1-12/15 test enanthate or cypionate @ 500- 600mg per week
8-12 superdrol or methylsten.

14-18 nolva + clomid
 
MattPD said:
Ah, gotcha, so with something like this would the methyl just take the place of the dianabol in your "first cycle" post? Or would it be better to just run the cycle like you outlined, without subbing anything?
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Indeed, it would take the place of the Dianabol. Methylstenbolone is an excellent oral to use as a kickstart. I would dose it at 20mg a day. Very lean dry muscle gains, no bloating, and it's isn't to harsh on the body. The reason you can't use it by itself is because it shuts down your testes hard and that causes your natural Testosterone levels to dip and can cause all kinds of problems with libido, mental clarity, and energy.

That "First Cycle" is modular. You can replace orals on it, add more orals to it, and even add other injectables in conjunction with Testosterone.
 
nolys said:
I disgaree with this. Shouldn't use more than 1 injectable in your first cycle in case you get any sides and can't figure out which substance is causing it. You run deca + test and get gyno, what do you do?
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I don't see anything wrong with running EQ with test during a first cycle.
 
nolys said:
I disgaree with this. Shouldn't use more than 1 injectable in your first cycle in case you get any sides and can't figure out which substance is causing it. You run deca + test and get gyno, what do you do?
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I think he meant for additional cycles to add onto this first cycle. as in for your second, third, thirtieth, you can add onto this basic test+oral cycle to suit your needs.
 
nolys said:
I disgaree with this. Shouldn't use more than 1 injectable in your first cycle in case you get any sides and can't figure out which substance is causing it. You run deca + test and get gyno, what do you do?
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Yes. I mean add other injectables after you know how you react to Testosterone. After that first run with Test and an oral you can modify it.
 
nolys said:
If your diet and training is near 100% I suggest this cycle -

1-4 dbol for quick strength and mass gains @ 30-50mg
1-12/15 test enanthate or cypionate @ 500- 600mg per week
8-12 superdrol or methylsten.

14-18 nolva + clomid
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I'm liking this cycle a lot. A low dose of Dianabol wouldn't be every harsh and would give nice jumpstart to your cycle. In the grand scheme of things 30mg or even 50mg is a low dose compared to what most people take. 500mg or 600mg of Testosterone will add size, thickness, and lose you some fat. 20mg of Methylstenbolone at the end will polish your look by drying you out and adding lean muscle.
 
Yeah that's the cycle I'm running at the moment, but with t350 instead of test e or c. Havnt yet decided on the last oral though, think I might go for the superdrol because its a lot cheaper and results look better apart from the sides.

Are most sdrol sides apparent because most people don't use test as a base?
 
nolys said:
Yeah that's the cycle I'm running at the moment, but with t350 instead of test e or c. Havnt yet decided on the last oral though, think I might go for the superdrol because its a lot cheaper and results look better apart from the sides.

Are most sdrol sides apparent because most people don't use test as a base?
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Not using Testosterone magnifies the fatigue and lethargy but even with Testosterone the side effects can be pretty severe. It's all up to your genetics and how your react.
 
nolys said:
They are severe? Or they are just bad? Never ran anything other than test before now (currently on dbol for 2 days)
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It's dependent on the individual but everyone agrees it will make you feel shitty, raise your blood pressure, cause fatigue and lethargy, increase aggression, fuck with your lipid profile, and fuck with your liver. In my opinion along with a lot of pro and up and coming bodybuilders, it's worth it.
 
-Guido- said:
I'm liking this cycle a lot. A low dose of Dianabol wouldn't be every harsh and would give nice jumpstart to your cycle. In the grand scheme of things 30mg or even 50mg is a low dose compared to what most people take. 500mg or 600mg of Testosterone will add size, thickness, and lose you some fat. 20mg of Methylstenbolone at the end will polish your look by drying you out and adding lean muscle.
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I'm liking this one as well. I'll need an AI for this one, but that's not an issue, and I think I understand the wisdom behind running the nolva and clomid together. Looks like I've got a good plan! Thanks again guys, I'll let you know how it goes!
 
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I think that cycle I suggested is probably the best newb cycle you could possibly find.
The kickstart is mild on sides and adds weight and strength fast, test as guido said will add size and lose fat, and the ultra/superdrol (probably ultra for newbs) will add lean mass at the end. It also contains only 1 injectables, no drugs overlap apart from the test + orals which won't matter anyway, its fairly simple injection wise (once or twice a week). Its cheap and very effective
 
I've made great gains, and impregnated a girl while on an oral only cycle. As long as you have TUDCA/UDCA, you got 5-weeks of gold. Everyone here disagrees with me, but I think running orals only is fine and actually pretty fucking conducive to body composition.
 
Running orals only is shit and it's only a matter of time before it start effecting you. A little Test, a quality oral like Turnibol, and and some NPP will shit all over an oral only cycle and will change your tune.

All pro bodybuilders and fitness models with amazing physiques don't run oral only cycles. If oral only cycles were so great injectables would be phased out.
 
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