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Toxic Leukoencephalopathy from Smoking Heroin

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Recently I have been interested in smoking heroin (a.k.a Chasing the Dragon). I've researched it extensively and have come across this, albeit rare, disease. The disease is frightening, to say the least. I wanted to know the opinions of those who already smoke Heroin, on this subject. Has anyone here experienced, or knows of anyone who has experienced, symptoms of this disease? How many of you guys were already aware that it exists? Considering how rare it is, is it still enough to put people off smoking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_leukoencephalopathy

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/michaelpoon168/heroin spongiform_leukoencephalopathy.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10516874
 
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Yes, it was a pretty big problem (maybe around 1 person a month) where I lived back when I was using heavily (not sure how common it is now) and definitely put me off smoking heroin as I personally had 2 friends get it, and heard of several other people getting it. Both of my friends were in comas for months and while they did regain consciousness they were left with serious brain damage. To be honest, I'm not sure what state they are in now as we've lost touch - I wasn't super-close with them and figured their families didn't want their junkie friends around anyway. Apparently about half the people who got it died, according to local researchers.

For my friends by the time their friends/families got them help the symptoms were pretty bad and progressed rapidly. I'm not sure exactly what the first symptoms were, it would be very difficult to diagnose in the early stages as there are so many things that cause similar symptoms (altered cognition/mental state etc).

That second link you posted is weird because if I read it correctly it sounds like that man used heroin IV and intranasal, but I was under the impression you could only get it from smoking (technically vaporizing) heroin. Where I live during the "outbreak" users were being told that IV was actually a form of HR in this case since there were no known cases of anyone who only injected heroin getting it.

I can do some digging and see if I can possibly find out how common this disease is currently and in what areas if you would like?
 
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Yes, it was a pretty big problem (maybe around 1 person a month) where I lived back when I was using heavily (not sure how common it is now) and definitely put me off smoking heroin as I personally had 2 friends get it, and heard of several other people getting it. Both of my friends were in comas for months and while they did regain consciousness they were left with serious brain damage. To be honest, I'm not sure what state they are in now as we've lost touch - I wasn't super-close with them and figured their families didn't want their junkie friends around anyway. Apparently about half the people who got it died, according to local researchers.

For my friends by the time their friends/families got them help the symptoms were pretty bad and progressed rapidly. I'm not sure exactly what the first symptoms were, it would be very difficult to diagnose in the early stages as there are so many things that cause similar symptoms (altered cognition/mental state etc).

That second link you posted is weird because if I read it correctly it sounds like that man used heroin IV and intranasal, but I was under the impression you could only get it from smoking (technically vaporizing) heroin. Where I live during the "outbreak" users were being told that IV was actually a form of HR in this case since there were no known cases of anyone who only injected heroin getting it.

I can do some digging and see if I can possibly find out how common this disease is currently and in what areas if you would like?

I know it sounds trite, but I am sorry to hear that. It is a horrific disease.

When I read "intranasal" I just assumed that the author of the article was confusing the terminology. I've read many other sources which say you are only at risk if you smoke Heroin.

That would be awesome, I've been trying to find some concrete statistics about the disease, however, I haven't been unable to find any.
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20229208
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/8/1/3
http://www.ajronline.org/content/180/3/847.full
http://www.ajnr.org/content/31/3/565.full
http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/76/7/1014.full.pdf
http://www.neurology.org/content/53/8/1765.short

My guess is whatever adulterant that's causing neurotoxicity from inhalation of several substances no longer exists, as all case reports I've been able to find are not recent. Possibly because those responsible for adulterating them have detected an issue.

The symptoms are generally the same with anything that inflicts heavy brain damage, noticeable cognitive and behavioral dysfunctions.
 
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Researchers really have no idea what causes heroin-induced leukoencephalopathy. They thought maybe it was something the heroin was contaminated with, but studies have (as of yet) failed to identify a neurotoxic contaminant or cut responsible for the brain damage after heroin vapor-inhalation. This site says:

PATHOGENESIS

The mechanism of neurologic injury related to heroin inhalation is unknown. Since heroin leukoencephalopathy has not been observed in users who inject or snort heroin, it is possible that unknown toxins contained in the heroin pyrolysate (the product of chemical change caused by heating) are responsible for the condition [3]. However, the disease was not replicated in rats exposed to this compound [2]. Triethyl tin (TET), a component of inorganic tin, was also suspected since TET poisoning results in vacuolar white matter edema [3,5], but an etiologic role for TET is unlikely, since the TET content in aluminum foil is negligible [3].

Mitochondrial dysfunction may play a role in the development of heroin leukoencephalopathy, as suggested by mitochondrial changes on specimens from brain biopsy [2], by elevated lactate on magnetic resonance spectroscopy [3], and by the clinical improvement with antioxidant therapy that has been reported in a few patients [3].

I think it's going to be impossible to find out how prevalent heroin-enduced leukoencephalopathy really is, unfortunately. It is very likely to be under-recognized and under-reported. If someone is found dead with heroin in their system would their cause of death be presumed to be a heroin overdose? Could some people only have mild cases that didn't require hospitalization? And if someone didn't have any heroin detectable in their system at the time of being admitted to a hospital would the connection even be made with their heroin use if they themselves didn't admit to using heroin? (Just explaining why I probably can't come up with accurate info regarding how common this disease is or in what areas it currently happens).

I do know that at least 20 reported cases of heroin-induced leukoencephalopathy were identified in Vancouver, BC, Canada with onset dates between Dec 2001-Jul 2003, and at least 7 reported cases were identified in Victoria, BC, Canada between Sept 2005-Aug 2006. One person reported smoking heroin only once and developed mild symptoms, while all the other cases were hospitalized. 13 of the people died. There was a least one sample of the heroin someone had used which was tested and they were unable to identify any substances in it aside from heroin and common cutting agents. This outbreak in 2 closely related cities (Victoria generally gets it's heroin via Vancouver) is the "largest number of geographically and temporally defined reported cases in North America". Apparently 17 people in BC developed heroin-induced leukoencephalopathy just in the first 6 months of 2003.

Heroin-induced leukoencephalopathy was first described in the Netherlands in 1982 when 47 patients with encephalopathy were found to have a common history of using heroin bought in the same neighbourhood.

I haven't been able to find much recent info on cases unfortunately. There are a few case reports published more recently but with no dates regarding onset.

Of course when you compare these numbers to the numbers of people who are known to die of heroin overdoses in the same areas it seems small, but at least we know of ways to reduce the likelihood of overdose, whereas with this disease it sounds like there is nothing you can do to protect yourself aside from not smoking heroin, and it's a pretty disturbing disease.

EDIT: Hadn't seen Chromophobia's post when I posted this, some of his links contain much of the same info I posted. I love how the BC journal article (2nd link) uses terms like "dial-a-dope", lol. I highly doubt those responsible for adulterating the heroin have detected an issue, even researchers couldn't figure out a cause and there have been cases spread out by decades across different continents. I do agree it seems likely to be some sort of contaminant as the case reports have been clustered geographically (although it could also be a situation of doctors just making the connection more in areas where there have been publicized cases) and chronologically. It sure is mysterious whatever it is.
 
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Scared me out of it as well...You never catch the dragon anyway...Try plugging my friend,

ps.It has to be a contaminant activated by heat or metal,or both
 
Shit I hadn't heard of that, that's some scary stuff...
Well having read that I would say try snorting or plugging instead.
 
EDIT: Hadn't seen Chromophobia's post when I posted this, some of his links contain much of the same info I posted. I love how the BC journal article (2nd link) uses terms like "dial-a-dope", lol. I highly doubt those responsible for adulterating the heroin have detected an issue, even researchers couldn't figure out a cause and there have been cases spread out by decades across different continents. I do agree it seems likely to be some sort of contaminant as the case reports have been clustered geographically (although it could also be a situation of doctors just making the connection more in areas where there have been publicized cases) and chronologically. It sure is mysterious whatever it is.

How about this for a hypothesis, and it may be far off, aluminum foil emits toxic metal oxide fumes under direct heat. Some studies have shown that aluminum foil in cooking mind you, not directly inhaling, can cause neurodegenerative diseases such as dementia and Alzheimer disease. So imagine being exposed to these fumes directly to your lungs.

Link...?
 
How about this for a hypothesis, and it may be far off, aluminum foil emits toxic metal oxide fumes under direct heat. Some studies have shown that aluminum foil in cooking mind you, not directly inhaling, can cause neurodegenerative diseases such as dementia and Alzheimer disease. So imagine being exposed to these fumes directly to your lungs.

Link...?

I think that would be too simple; researchers at UBC did not consider that enough explanation due to their tests and investigation of the foil etc. And if that were the case one would assume cases would be more evenly spread among all people who vaporized any drug off of foil. Although it is uncertain whether heroin-vapor-induced leukoencephalopathy is rare, due to an uncommon toxin introduced during the production or cutting of the heroin that is somehow "activated" by heat/inhalation, or is actually more common and just goes unrecognized, the reported cases are definitely clustered. I think the most likely cause is that an as-yet-unidentified toxic substance is released when the heroin/cuts itself is heated/inhaled (or perhaps combines with vapors from the foil to form something extra toxic or something). There was even a toddler who got it just from being in the same room as someone who was smoking heroin.

What kind of link were you asking for? Did you mean one that proves or disproves your theory?
 
^ No, just asking if you see the same possible link. All good points though.
 
Thanks for the help so far guys. According to the sources it seems that an unknown adulterant is/was causing this disease. I've known smokers in the past who have been using for years and have never experienced these symptoms. Although it is likely that some cases go unreported, or are misdiagnoses, I doubt that the number of actual cases are significantly higher.

Swimmingdancer, you mentioned that you know of 2 people that contracted the disease. Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking? And have you ever smoked H?
 
Thanks for the help so far guys. According to the sources it seems that an unknown adulterant is/was causing this disease. I've known smokers in the past who have been using for years and have never experienced these symptoms. Although it is likely that some cases go unreported, or are misdiagnoses, I doubt that the number of actual cases are significantly higher.
It's very hard to know. Most researchers have suggested the number of actual cases is likely higher than the number reported.

Swimmingdancer, you mentioned that you know of 2 people that contracted the disease. Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking? And have you ever smoked H?

I assumed you would be able to tell from the info I posted regarding "outbreaks" that I am from western Canada. I have only smoked it occasionally, but most of the heroin we get here isn't very good for smoking, at least back when I started using it wasn't - it was usually powder heroin hydrochloride, which is very difficult and wasteful to smoke, although now we also get a stupid form of tar heroin that is mixed with cut to make it into a powder more often. So I started injecting very early on, which I DO NOT recommend. And then after my friends got HIL I certainly wasn't interested in smoking it again.
 
To the OP I'd recommend asking the same question in the thread "Regional Heroin Discussion v17" in EADD....google "regional heroin 17" to find it easily. As a heroin user (afghan brown exclusively) of 8 years, smoking off foil, I have heard of the disease. Its why they say u should always heat all areas of the tray ur gonna smoke off with a lighter prior to chasing. This burns off any residue on the foil, added to make it non stick for cooking. Altho many foils dont contain this additive. Ive never really bothered doing this. This disease is very rare I think, and touch wood, doesnt scare me, though the effects sound horrendous. BTW you'd be welcome in said thread, many very cool peeps there. Its UK based so predominantly covers heroin no3 (brown, Afghan base), although there are posters there from the states and elsewhere. Hope to see u there, regards PS

I should have added in my post, to the OP...I am assuming you are already a Heroin user? If you are not, the I wouldn't recommend you start using H, by any route of admission. And I would put toxic encephalopathy fairly low down on the list of reasons not to develop an addiction to illegal, adulterated heroin. If the heroin being used was of-known-purity and cut with benign substance/s, and works were sterile and ideal procedures followed, then IV is probably the least damaging method of all. However, in the world of prohibited gear, smoking is probably the safest ROA.

I am unusually actually quite pro-heroin. IMO most, if not 95% of the problems associated with heroin use are directly caused by its illegality. There are many things in life that I think are considerably worse to be addicted to, such as Alcohol (I mean physically, where ur body needs it to function), Benzodiazepines, Cocaine; including crack, Methamphetamine and Amphetamines generally, Methadone, Food (if at risk of morbid obesity), Cannabis (IME as a former heavy daily user) and World of Warcraft (joke!). :D
 
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