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Heroin H, I don't get it..

I'll tell you what you need to "figure out" about H... it ruins fucking lives and if you keep doing it, chances are it'll ruin yours too.

Take that advice and put thoughts of that crap aside. Not worth it.

Yes, it does. Experimentation is fine, but habitual or regular use is troubling. If its not working out for you and you "don't get it" then just leave it alone. I've seen what H does to a persons mind and body, its not pretty. Stick to oxy's. you know them better, and the possible effects they'll have in you
 
Yeah.. I don't think heroin is something to be "experimented" with. The chances of one being able to use heroin casually and without consequence are pretty slim, so I wouldn't even recommend trying it once. It's not like weed where people experiment as a kid and have their fun, maybe still smoke as adults here and there, maybe not. The majority of the time, it changes your whole life.

I'm not going to be all, "just say no", because I know people are going to do what they're going to do, but if you decide to try heroin.. just don't delude yourself or justify it by thinking you're going to be able to simply "experiment" and use it in moderation. Be fully aware of the risks you are taking by even trying it once and realize that heroin really is a whole new ballgame, as is any of the super addictive drugs like meth, crack, etc.
 
I'm in a similar position to the OP, minus any opiate addiction or noticeable tolerance really.

My source for opiates before, which was only hydrocodone and oxy once or twice given to me by family, has moved and isn't an option. I didn't really care as my use was pretty infrequent, like 15-20mg of hydrocodone once or twice a month or something. It was rare, as I wasn't the one who was seeking it out, just got it because someone else that lives with me was, though I definitely enjoyed it.

So without any personal source, I decided to try alternative sources. I sourced 40mg of methadone, knowing I wouldn't be able to get anything else for at least 3 weeks or so, and tried it in 10mg and 15mg doses. I enjoyed it, it was pretty good in comparison to hydrocodone or oxy, I specifically liked the duration. Hydrocodone wore off much to fast though was definitely more euphoric than methadone. Oxy was more sedating out of the 3 and most euphoric of all. Best so far.

Now I decided to try 1 stamp of heroin, because like you I literally CAN NOT get it regularly. Like it's just not possible. So the potential for addiction without access is.... zero. I know what someone is going to try to say, that if I really want to get it I'll try any means necessary, but no. I won't. I'm far to busy in life and don't like playing with fire very often. Of course if I came across a source later in life after trying it once and loving it, that would be different. We are speaking for what our current standing is on obtaining it.

I know I'm playing with fire trying heroin, but when I made a thread to decide whether to try methadone or heroin since they were a better choice money wise (though none of this actually costs me anything, just takes weeks to obtain the money...), I was told heroin was a BETTER and SAFER option than methadone. And I completely understood it after it was explained. The long half life was nothing to fuck with, and also long onset of effects. But I said screw it, and took pharmaceutical grade opiates over street heroin. I personally thought I'd be safer as I'm to scared personally to try any risky combinations or start with dumb doses. Definite HR person, which is why I'm constantly on the forums helping out. I read through probably 50 threads on methadone before deciding on a dosage and trying it. Call me overly worried, but that's just how I am.

So monday I should be obtaining a stamp of heroin. I'm going to assume, though I KNOW it's not, that it's a 100% pure for dosing concerns since I have very very little tolerance. One stamp will last me multiple doses. I really just want to try it, and probably will buy something completely different next time. It's just how I am. Might not even be an opiate I buy next time, I don't have any current addictions, but I did use MXE basically daily for almost a year. Stopped that like a month or so ago. Haven't thought of it much since or cared.

Anyways, I'm going to probably start off with 5-10mg, weighed out of course, and go from there. I know it's probably going to be only around 60% or probably lower, so my risk for OD is pretty damn low honestly. Better safe than sorry. I hear what everyone is saying in this thread. If you HONESTLY can't source it again anytime soon then no you probably won't become addicted to HEROIN, oxycodone however, that's another story for you. You obviously already know that though.
 
Wow, sorry to hear that. Great post, though, certainly feels like very earnest and sincere HR advice to me.

Thanks. It's so sad that we're just unable to listen to other's advice if it's something we want to do. Please be smarter OP, there's no such thing as 'experimenting' with heroin.
 
Thanks. It's so sad that we're just unable to listen to other's advice if it's something we want to do. Please be smarter OP, there's no such thing as 'experimenting' with heroin.

For me, personally, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree. Respectfully, of course.

I followed my plan and dosed up slowly and carefully. Eventually reached the point of a slight nod, and overall it was a pretty decent experience. I repeated the same later in the day, allowing myself to get a feel for the effects and the feel of the drug. Then, earlier today, I called a friend and gave away what I had left (my oxy source was good today).

Case closed. I satisfied my curiosity, and personally, for my preferences, it's not as good as Oxy. However this was insufflated, I'm not naive enough to assume the results wouldn't have been different should I have IV'd.

Regardless, I thank you all for the knowledge and advice contained in this thread and hopefully it will help others stay safe in their beginning experimentations with the drug.

It goes without saying, don't ever jump into IV use.
 
I'm glad it went well today, all I was trying to say is that this isn't necessarily the end of it. I'm not trying to be all dramatic and stuff, just saying be careful and don't start making up excuses to use it again in the future. But I hope you'll be one of the exceptions that manages to use it only a couple times.
 
That's great to hear and I'm glad you understand everyone's concern and are not just shutting it out. But I do have some compassion that you might be getting frustrated that most of the replies have been about why not to use heroin as opposed to how you can reduce the likelihood of physical harm from using it and whether or not the effects you are experiencing are cause for concern. Not that you sound frustrated, your responses have been great :).

I think it's great that you got a sensitive scale and are going to increase your dose by very gradual increments. Aside from what's already been said though I don't think there is much else I can say. Please take people's warnings about heroin not being worth it and there being no real way to prevent addiction aside from not using it seriously, and I'm not sure what else you could do to reduce harm if you're going to use it anyway, aside from always having someone else with you in case you do have any serious problems. Having had someone else around to call 911 has saved my life. I suppose you could get a reagent testing kit, but those can be pretty difficult to interpret for heroin and don't give you much info about cuts, plus you're not planning on doing it for long, right? ;)


Most dealers don't give a shit, unless they are the high-end ones who don't use drugs themselves and are businessmen first and foremost who really want your repeat business as they are thinking of future profits and not just immediate gains. Also dealers don't know what their dealer cut it with. There was dope where I live that was making people who smoked it permanently brain-damaged and it took a very very long time to get it mostly off the streets (and I highly doubt that was due to any dealers stopping selling it out of concern for their customers). There was also dope that was contaminated with some bacteria that caused flesh-eating disease. Dealers often may not even know if they have bad dope unless they have regular customers and everyone who uses it are dropping like flies.

Also your statement is ironic because heroin itself kills people. Most (not all of course, I'm not one of those people who thinks all dope dealers are evil or something) dealers care primarily about money, not people, and the ones that are only concerned with getting some fast money don't even care about keeping their customers alive in order to buy more drugs from them.

True, I'm not saying using heroin isn't dangerous. What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be any more dangerous than folks taking hydromorphone or some like potent opioid. Well, actually it should be even less dangerous than that (as many docs don't give their patients info on dilly's and how they interact with other CNS depressants).

Anyways, I think you understand what I'm say, given it's one of the core ideas of Harm Reduction - that the situation we're created for ourselves that drug users are forced to live within makes things much more dangerous than they'd be in a better situation (i.e. where people didn't demonize junkies). Wishful thinking, maybe, but whatever. I think being fatalistic is kinda romantic sometimes ;)

I'm going to put together a list of case studies for this, examining how the circumstances under which users find themselves kills them much faster than any of the drugs they use. That's the value of working with harm reduction groups and needle exchanges on the ground level, getting to actually work with such populations. I am trying to follow in the footsteps of E.V. Debs

while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free

That's mah motto baby :)

And in terms of experimenting with heroin, yup, it's possible. My SO used heroin one time, as she was interested into the experience as I'm such a fan. She ended up using 30mg of pharmaceutical grade/99.99% pure/lab grade diacetylmorphine over the course of 48 hours. Intranasal (allergy dose) and IV. Never touched it again (and this is ten years later sorta deal). And it's not like she didn't get MAN high. And it's not like she doesn't love opioids, she just didn't want to deal with all the bullshit surrounding heroin use. Kinda like how I am not. Just too much of a PITA after playing the game for so many years...

I know others who've used once, twice, maybe three times, and stopped to never use again. Others have used for a number of months (my bro, three months of intranasal use) or years (me, five years, 2 intranasal three IV/mostly IM) and then stopped with little/no desire to use any more.

Heroin can ruin lives, but it's not the heroin that is actually ruining your life. It's you. This is where the disease model breaks down for a lot of people, although I'm not saying it doesn't have a LOT to offer or isn't the best model we have figure out as of yet.

If you wanna use heroin, do it. But think twice. Maybe even like four times ;) It's probably not going to destroy your life any quicker than any other potent opioid, although if you get caught up in the legal/social aspects of it it might, but again that's not the heroin it's the laws.

Don't get me wrong, it's not in no way fucking whatsoever safe. But, and what? A lot a LOT of things we do every day isn't safe. Heroin is like speeding. It's dangerous and could very well get out of control and kill you. But you're more than likely to get away with it more often than not. No guarantees of course, but you get the idea.

Using heroin is playing with fire, whether you use it once or for the rest of your life. Of course the more you use it the more dangers it poses. But shit guys and gays, heroin is hardly the only dangerous thing we do.

For whatever it's worth, the vast majority of heroin users I have known well have stopped using on their own or with the help of methadone or buprenorphine or naloxone. It's not rocket science. For many if not most of us, the ordeal of getting and having to deal with dealers, etc, using, getting sick, having to schedule life around our habit, it just takes its fucking toll. After a while it's just not fun or pleasurable in any way any more. At that point, me and such folks just stoppped. It wasn't worth it anymore.

And for the record, when I was talking about dealers I was referring to what I guess most would refer to as the big fish. Not junkies selling to cover their habit, but big distributers. Absolutely agree, most junky/using type "dealers" selling to cover their habit really don't give a fuck (although, again, I'd imagine most of them realize they need their clientele alive...), but when it comes to folks who deal in bulk or wholesale, I've yet to meet or here or one who wasn't to do like the DEA, LE and the US Gov't. Unlike the latter, big dealers don't want their clientele dead, they want them happy and healthy, productive so they have the money to buy their product. Got ten plus years experience dealing with these fuckers and they're infinitely more humanistic than any cop (or to be truthful low level dealer who doesn't give a fuck) I've ever heard of.

Oh and for the record, unless I get my hands on some pure diacetylmorphine to add to my collection (yes I collect rare and antique opioids - my best so far is the morphone kits they gave to marines in WWII and a hypo cicra 1865, and I just used my hypo from 1911 to IM some hydromorphone :D Even after using heroin for a decade, daily IV/IM for three years, at present, and for the last year plus since I got clean, I have had absolutely no desire in the world to use heroin. Even with it around all the time, as I work at a needle exchange, even when I was working for a distributor, even when I'm sick (or was sick), even when it is offered to me for free (happens once in a while) and the dope happens to be fire, no fucking thank you. Although I guess I should add I'm rarely if ever sick these days. only time I can remember was when I was coming off buprenorphine. Anywho, so even if you do get into the dope scene and end up dependent/addicted, there is still hope. Have fun while you can, and pray that like the majority of users you'll eventually get sick enough of the conditions under which you have to use to the point where using is in no way desirably anymore, even if you need it to get well, eventually you'll probably just get sick of it and stop using. That's by no means a free pass, when you use heroin you're still playing with fire, but at the same time it's hardly the end of the world.
 
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Okay, now here is something that has me puzzled and I haven't really thought about it until after the fact.

Like I said, I have a mg scale. I weighed out the actual stamp itself before opening it. Came out to something like .280. Next, I weighed the contents of the bag separately, that came out to about .020. I weighed the stamp separated from the contents, .260.

So there was only .020 of powder in the bag? Mind you, I've seen H more than I've done it, and I've seen people use it quite a bit. It always seemed to be about the same amount in a stamp, just from eyeballing it. But I thought a stamp is usually .100, and a bun is 1g?

This is New Jersey, btw. And this has me puzzled. The way I see it, 1) I got ripped off, 2) it's not H.

What do you guys think?

I know the weight of an average 30mg Roxi is 100mg, and one stamp of this ish I have is certainly less than that. All the more reason I'm not going to fuck with this any further and I would extend the same advice to others who haven't previously done H and are thinking about it. It really is impossible to tell how much you have, should have, (without a mg scale), potency, what's really in it, etc. Maybe I'm just a fool, IDK. At least I came out alive :D (I know people who died from fentanyl-laced dope back in 06 and 08 when that was going around)
 
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20mg ? I definitely don't think someone with a decent/high opiate tolerance got a nod off of 20mg. You sure you didn't just read your scale wrong or something ?

Yes, a stamp/bag should be around ~100mg, give or take. Could be 80mg, could be 120mg.

You said you gave it away ? Might want to tell that person if you really are worried. But honestly if it was 20mg it would have been barely any powder at all. How in the world did you "dose up slowly" to reach a nod, with only 20mg, and still have some left to give away ?

Not trying to say you're lying, but that doesn't really make sense.
 
I bought a "bundle."

I dosed about 35mg total which ended up being almost 2 bags. I wasn't paying attention to the amount in each bag being high or low, I just went based off the scale.

Later on, I realized that bags in the area "should be" 100mg. I was thinking something seemed off, that going through two bags seemed like a lot, but the total amount of powder wasn't much at all. It kind of dawned on me then, which was the basis for my previous post.

Does that clear it up?

I gave away about 6 bags, what I had left. And yes, compared to a crushed blue, it seemed to be well less than half.


Edit: This is compounded by the fact that I don't know what heroin is supposed to feel like. It definitely didn't feel like Oxycodone, that's for sure. I mean, it's all relatively water under the bridge at this point, but still I think it seems like I got ripped off, if indeed a typical stamp should have in the ballpark of 100mg of powder.

Being that I'm inexperienced and unfamiliar with what is " the norm" for buying a certain quantity of heroin, I only found the weight of the bags strange once I realized/learned that a stamp is usually a relatively fixed amount. Even considering imperfect amounts, the 20ish or so mg that were in each bag seems extremely low. I don't know, I'm just sharing the experience in detail along with my thoughts for you all to share your opinions, but i'm certainly not "lying." Confused, sure.
 
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Kinda sounds like you got really ripped off tbh. 35mg for 2 bags?!

--> Just use that as an incentive to stick to stuff where you actually know what's in it!
 
Yea ok that makes sense now that I know you bought a bundle.

You definitely got ripped off if that's the case. Those amounts in the bags are unnacceptable. At the least, 50mg really. But thats on the REALLY low side from info I could find. But I know it varies depending on area, but the average regardless is still 100mg.
 
Sounds like ya got ripped. Probably for the best. Just one more reason to avoid that path.
 
I dont get the Heroin/Pill hypocrisy. Im not saying H is any better, cause ive had to friends OD and die, and its ruined countless other friends lives but its really alll the same shit. People dont get raised eyebrows about poppin oxys, but you break out h and people look at you likea savage animal. H was made by the pharma companies to begin with and the stuff their pumpin out now is just as addicting its just re-named to something less evil sounding than heroin.
 
I dont get the Heroin/Pill hypocrisy. Im not saying H is any better, cause ive had to friends OD and die, and its ruined countless other friends lives but its really alll the same shit. People dont get raised eyebrows about poppin oxys, but you break out h and people look at you likea savage animal. H was made by the pharma companies to begin with and the stuff their pumpin out now is just as addicting its just re-named to something less evil sounding than heroin.

Yeah. Just another case of propaganda and media-sensationalism.
 
The bundles I can get right now contain a very small amount of dope in them, but they're really cheap.....the quantity and quality of dope can vary dramatically...sometimes the bags are huge with high purity H. sometimes they're small and mediocre....Sometimes dealers think they have grams of good product and try to get more for it and it ends up being shitty....you never really know

....In the end, for the most part, it seems like you usually get what you pay for with heroin, whether its 50 for half a gram or 50 for .15 grams...Sometimes, you end up with stamp bags that are big and potent and it really seems like you got a great deal and it might actually be worth it....Those are the batches that everyone dreams about getting!....that's also how people die

Even on the east coast, the dope scene is pretty underground and hard to crack, unless you happen to live in a neighborhood where it's dealt....It's easy to find H here, but everyone wants the good shit....To find just any old powder being sold as heroin is pretty easy, but you have to run your ass off to get ahold of the good shit! That's the whole game with H that makes it a lot different than prescription drugs...If you only have 100 buvks to spend on any given day and you have a habit, you really have to make sure you don't end buying weak shit, because not only will you not get high, you might not be able to keep well until the next day....

I just know how much of a pain in the ass heroin is in places where there's a lot of it....If you're in a place where you can't get it regularly, I wouldnt even bother
 
I dont get the Heroin/Pill hypocrisy. Im not saying H is any better, cause ive had to friends OD and die, and its ruined countless other friends lives but its really alll the same shit. People dont get raised eyebrows about poppin oxys, but you break out h and people look at you likea savage animal. H was made by the pharma companies to begin with and the stuff their pumpin out now is just as addicting its just re-named to something less evil sounding than heroin.

Yeah I agree...I guess it's just cuz oxys aren't illegal. As in, they can be prescribed. Also people seem to have an idea that if you use heroin, you're shooting it.
Although if someone were hesitating between using oxy or heroin I would absolutely encourage them to use oxy just because you actually know what's in it and it doesn't carry the risk of having been cut with stuff that might kill you.
 
17mg in a stamp is unreal, unless they were extremely cheap. counts have been decreasing across the east coast. as heroin is becoming more popular the price seems like its going up. but thats neither here nor there. where I'm from it used to be half gram bags for a certain price, I didn't do any for 2 years and now those bags are quarter grams.
 
Shit, I bought a stamp and only got ~45mg in it. Didn't even get me high after slowly working up.

Waste of my time. I'll just use other opiates that have worked better and I KNOW are pure.
 
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