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How High do you Aim?

I don't have too much experience, one low dose acid trip, two mid range mushroom trips, and many dxm trips. I always thought I would like to go to the outerbounds and extremes of my mind but after my first DMT experience I found that is the only drug I could see my self shooting for the stars with. Negative thoughts build relatively easy with me and although I can power through it and enjoy my trip I prefer not to. Due to DMTs short trip I could handle 10 minutes of mind fuck and inspiration lol
 
Theflemm said:
I don't have too much experience, one low dose acid trip, two mid range mushroom trips, and many dxm trips. I always thought I would like to go to the outerbounds and extremes of my mind but after my first DMT experience I found that is the only drug I could see my self shooting for the stars with. Negative thoughts build relatively easy with me and although I can power through it and enjoy my trip I prefer not to. Due to DMTs short trip I could handle 10 minutes of mind fuck and inspiration lol
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This is exactly how I feel about it. I would only shoot for the stars with DMT myself. Going for the top level with long lasting psychedelics can be very challenging.
 
That seems to be what most people aim for on short-acting stuff like DMT, ie. a breakthrough experience. I've had one of those once on 5-MeO-DMT and although it was incredible and beautiful, I've always been too scared to do it again. I would never aim for a full ago-loss experience like that on anything that lasts for hours, the very thought of it terrifies me!
 
Chocolate-Salad said:
I'm curious if a ++++ experience on the Shulgin scale is the point of blacking out and losing all memory of yourself. I've hoped that one day I could experience the "state of bliss -- connectedness" that the scale speaks of, but not the terrifying experiences that I hear from many users posting in this thread. Ego shaking maybe, but not that far.
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No. Loosing your self and "entering the void" and forgetting everything are, according to the Shulgin scale, a strong +++. The ++++ is outside the scale. It is not a matter of intensity. It is crossing the barrier. It is useful to read the ++++ experience of Shulgin on Pihkal. He is quite there, never forgetting who he is. But the whole quality of the experience is different and in a very specific way, superior.
 
I like to aim for a pretty immersive and surreal experience, though it depends on my intentions for that particular expedition; if I'm going outdoors or to a museum, I won't take as much. If I'm doing it indoors or in a desert then sure, aim HIGH. My main anxiety with high doses is social situations, which I'm not good with at the best of times.

That said, I have yet to experience a positive 'heavy' trip. Every time I've really pushed the envelope, it's resembled less of a trip and more of a brain damage simulator. The first couple of times this happened (my second and third trips) I believed I'd lost my mind and was never coming back. The next couple of times, that paranoia was still there because the state of mind was SO far out there, yet I managed to more or less reason myself out of it and waited, as calmly as I could, for it to finish.

This has not deterred me from very high doses, though I don't plan to ever take more than three grams of mushrooms again for this reason. Rather I'm approaching future intense trips with exaggerated caution.
 
Alexander Shulgin said:
Do you feel the same way about oral dmt?
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Have never tried taking DMT orally, would never try it. I don't like long lasting psychedelics, and hence know I would prefer to IV DMT in the future over any other ROA.

Flickering said:
The first couple of times this happened (my second and third trips) I believed I'd lost my mind and was never coming back.
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Yes, this has happened to me several times, on large doses (they were large doses for me, might be medium doses for a hard head) of mushrooms, as well as LSD (not taken together, separately).

It's amazing when you get to the point where you can tell you're coming back and you're not stuck there forever even though you were convinced of it. It's an amazing feeling and it is like being given a second chance at everything. That's probably why I used to aim for that level on mushrooms when I was younger, although I would never willingly do that again.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
It's amazing when you get to the point where you can tell you're coming back and you're not stuck there forever even though you were convinced of it. It's an amazing feeling and it is like being given a second chance at everything. That's probably why I used to aim for that level on mushrooms when I was younger, although I would never willingly do that again.
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Yes. I specifically remember a moment with DMT where i went through the 'Oh shit ive taken to much' thought which seemed to echo on into infinity; i honestly felt like i had cracked my sanity and had a complete catatonic break from reality; i couldn't speak, language was non-existent, I was non-existent. I had my eyes closed for most of it and watched the structure of my reality fall away piece by piece until i was staring into the void, and at that point i panicked and opened my eyes but it was too late, i was gone.

But realizing my self coming back together piece by piece was just the most amazing relief.

It reminds me of the movie The One with Jet Li where his entire body is broken down to its particles as he travels through the wormhole and is reassembled on the other side.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
It's amazing when you get to the point where you can tell you're coming back and you're not stuck there forever even though you were convinced of it. It's an amazing feeling and it is like being given a second chance at everything. That's probably why I used to aim for that level on mushrooms when I was younger, although I would never willingly do that again.
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Oh yes. On that latest shroom trip, I got through it by huddling in bed and playing music to soothe myself. At the point where reality started to become recognisable again, this song was playing. It was absolutely perfect, I was climbing through to the light all through that song and I realised everything was going to be okay.

And I went from "I am never doing drugs again," to "Well, maybe I'll start light with a half tab," to "So next weekend I'm gonna mix up two feet of san pedro and go wandering the desert at night..." in half an hour.

Immediately after that, while I was still tripping a little, I started this thread, if you're curious. It was only 3.5g, which is not exactly a hardhead dose, but I think they were a particularly potent species.
 
OP, what do you mean by "black out"... lose consciousness? I've never lost physical consciousness on LSD, but I have ceased to exist. Before I decided to take a big break I was doing 1mg doses. I couldn't talk, walk, remember who I was - any of it. The reason I do it to this level is because I have emotional and psychological breakthrough experiences that I can't get at lower doses. I go for complete ego dissolution and depersonalization - in other words, Oneness. I don't recommend it to everyone but I see it as a medicine that has helped me to process many hard-to-decipher problems in my life.

It has been immensely useful to learn that what I conceive "me" to be is simply a neural process that can be disrupted with a psychedelic, and therefore "I" should stop obsessing over certain things. I'm the kind of person that is dragged to the initiation on his knees after years of stubborness and refusal to let go. The only thing that forces me to let go is strong doses of psychedelics. At that point, I realize that the shit I worry about or get sad over doesn't matter.

I always have a perfect environment setup with music and pre-made snacks. Once the intense peak has ended I can get up and eat food, hydrate, and just roam around the creative space I've made.

The afterglow from those highs lasts for about 2 weeks and I feel totally connected with the universe during that time. Upwards of 1-2 months I have no depression and life flows smoothly.
 
Foreigner said:
OP, what do you mean by "black out"... lose consciousness?
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Not have any conscious control over movement, as well as not having a conscious memory for periods of time.

Like I remember getting out of a car, and the next thing I know my friend is yelling at me. The missing 2-3 minutes is gone out of my mind, and I have no memory doing the thing it is I did. If I explained in detail it would be rather hilarious but I'll leave it at that.
 
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